Robert E. Lee Day

[Neutraligon]

People from slaveholding families served in the Confederate military at a higher rate than those whose families did not own slaves, and Confederate leaders said they were seceding due to slavery.

Revolutionary War leaders said they were seceding because of taxes and because the government was not listening to them. They didn't really bring slavery into it. Having some slave-owners on your side doesn't automatically mean you are fighting about slavery. Sometimes slave-owners get involved in fights about other issues. But the Confederates explicitly said they were fighting to stop the North interfering with slavery.

I don't think the revolutionaries gave a fuck about taxes, that was just the excuse. What they were really interested in was expanding into Indian territory and being independent of the United Kingdom.

You base this claim on what?

[Gettenfeld]

the KKK celebrates pretty much every christian holiday

Well this wasn't KKK, they were like, Silver Bullet Gang or something. I dunno, it's been years.

Bob Seger was there?

[USS Monitor]

Is this real? If so, what genius but MLK day and Robert E. Lee Day both on January 16th? And why did he get a day?

So many questions. So many questions.

They probably figured it would be a way to strike back at that Agitator MLK, when it was originally decided. Same reason they hoisted the Confederate flag.

Because a whole bunch of foreign northern yankees came down trying to change our southern ways

Don't pick fights with Yankees, don't get invaded.

[Arlenton]

George washington was a traitor to his nation. He was the military arm of a rebellion that supported the institution of slavery. Celebrating him is like celebrating sedition, and should be treated as such.

There is a reason he does not have a holiday in Great Britain.

The US is no longer part of the UK. 11 states, along with some territories and border states , are still part of the US.

[Salus Maior]

I think its best not to celebrate a man for trying to destroy his country.

Yet the Chinese celebrate Mao, the Cubans celebrate Castro, and the Americans celebrate Trump.

1. Not so much anymore, 2. Castro actually did some good things for his country, and 3. LOL, not really. Some do.

[Gettenfeld]

That's right. Having slavers on your side doesn't make your fight about slavery. But saying this sure does:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition"

That's right.

So you agree that Robert E. Lee, and the Confederacy as a whole, fought to preserve their right to buy, sell, and own their fellow human beings?

[Aryan Nation]

I don't think the revolutionaries gave a fuck about taxes, that was just the excuse. What they were really interested in was expanding into Indian territory and being independent of the United Kingdom.

You base this claim on what?

Just based on studying the era, particularly. Britain prevented encroachment into Indian territories, part of the American revolutionary war was only based partially on the very few taxes(relative to those raised in Britain to pay for the so-called 'french and indian war') levied in the colonies. Part of the beef the founding fathers had with the mother country was that Britain forbade expansion into the Indian territories. This was the precursor to the 'manifest destiny' of the later century.

That's one reason why the Natives overwhelmingly threw their lot behind the British; an independent United States would almost certainly expand East.

That was in the interest of the land-owning, slave-owning founding fathers.

[Neutraligon]

There is a reason he does not have a holiday in Great Britain.

The US is no longer part of the UK. 11 states, along with some territories and border states , are still part of the US.

Correct, which is why there is no reason to have a holiday for someone attempting to leave the union.

[Aryan Nation]

The US is no longer part of the UK. 11 states, along with some territories and border states , are still part of the US.

Correct, which is why there is no reason to have a holiday for someone attempting to leave the union.

If the South won, it would have been the same situation. Just because the South lost, doesn't mean we can't celebrate our national heroes.

[Salus Maior]

Is this real? If so, what genius but MLK day and Robert E. Lee Day both on January 16th? And why did he get a day?

So many questions. So many questions.

They probably figured it would be a way to strike back at that Agitator MLK, when it was originally decided. Same reason they hoisted the Confederate flag.

Because a whole bunch of foreign northern yankees came down trying to change our southern ways

Ah yes, the "agitator" who's whole message was that everyone tolerate each other and act peacefully.

Nevermind that it was the South that started the war, and started it because it liked to own people as property and wanted to spread it.

[USS Monitor]

Why Lee and not other generals? If you want to have a regional rivalry with the North, that's one thing, but don't turn around and pretend the regionalistic trolling is actually just patriotism. I have more respect for the Southerners who admit they are trolling us. I still think it's a dumbass thing to do, but at least it's honest.

Probably because Lee is one of the most well known, being the General in Chief and all. Though "General Lee day" appears to be an obscure holiday celebrated in four Southern states. To be honest, I don't give a damn about "regional rivalries," if it's a thing, then I consider it stupid.

Regional rivalry is the only reason Lee is idolized to such an extent in the South. Otherwise, why not somebody like Eisenhower that is well-known and well-liked nationwide?

[Neutraligon]

You base this claim on what?

Just based on studying the era, particularly. Britain prevented encroachment into Indian territories, part of the American revolutionary war was only based partially on the very few taxes(relative to those raised in Britain to pay for the so-called 'french and indian war') levied in the colonies.

Those could have been some of the reasons, I believe the cry was taxation without representation. so once again, what do base the claim on that it was just an excuse, and not just another part of the cause? Also, a raise in taxes when they have previously not really been taxed before
will still get people angry, even if the tax is small. You have not supported your claim.

[Salus Maior]

Correct, which is why there is no reason to have a holiday for someone attempting to leave the union.

If the South won, it would have been the same situation. Just because the South lost, doesn't mean we can't celebrate our national heroes.

The Confederacy isn't a nation. At least not one to be proud of.

[Aryan Nation]

Probably because Lee is one of the most well known, being the General in Chief and all. Though "General Lee day" appears to be an obscure holiday celebrated in four Southern states. To be honest, I don't give a damn about "regional rivalries," if it's a thing, then I consider it stupid.

Regional rivalry is the only reason Lee is idolized to such an extent in the South. Otherwise, why not somebody like Eisenhower that is well-known and well-liked nationwide?

Because Eisenhower didn't serve in the confederate army?

[Neutraligon]

Correct, which is why there is no reason to have a holiday for someone attempting to leave the union.

If the South won, it would have been the same situation. Just because the South lost, doesn't mean we can't celebrate our national heroes.

You know this how? And Lee was not a national hero. Oh and that has nothing to do with what I was talking about, which was that there is no reason for a country to celebrate a person who was a traitor to that country.

[Oldenfranck]

Martin Luther King Junior was a much greater man than Lee.

[Communist Xomaniax]

He was a decent general trained in the Napoleonic tactics of the day. Still fucked up a lot though, but given that he was a traitor first and foremost and fighting for a slaver state, he should get no holidays, monuments, or memorials.

[USS Monitor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee_Day Not too many. Most decided to drop the holiday that existed only to assholes

Explains why my Mainer ass never heard of it.

Yep. Maine has better people you can celebrate when you're up for some Civil War history. I dunno where in Maine you are, but I think it's cool how Chamberlain is still a big local hero in Brunswick.

[Salus Maior]

I don't think the revolutionaries gave a fuck about taxes, that was just the excuse. What they were really interested in was expanding into Indian territory and being independent of the United Kingdom. The colonies were barely taxed at all, and they wanted to be free of taxation and British rule. An independent United States was certainly in the business interests of the founding fathers.

The taxes weren't the problem, it was the fact that the Americans had no say in the legislation.

The Colonies wanted to remain with Britain, but the British refused to give them representation in the government. This is made clear by the Olive Branch Petition.

[Neutraligon]

I don't think the revolutionaries gave a fuck about taxes, that was just the excuse. What they were really interested in was expanding into Indian territory and being independent of the United Kingdom. The colonies were barely taxed at all, and they wanted to be free of taxation and British rule. An independent United States was certainly in the business interests of the founding fathers.

The taxes weren't the problem, it was the fact that the Americans had no say in the legislation.

The Colonies wanted to remain with Britain, but the British refused to give them representation in the government. This is made clear by the Olive Branch Petition.

Well that and the fact that they were forced to quarter British troops who where there to force them to act in ways they did not like...like paying for those taxes they had no say in. Didn't help that the Boston Massacre had happened.

[USS Monitor]

They did pretty good during reconstruction and the next 100 years.

Hmm.... yeah, no. They did not do pretty good during reconstruction and the next 100 years. The South never again has had the level of political and economic influence it enjoyed before the Civil War. After all, the former confederate states and the South in general are still considerably poorer than the North or West.

The South was falling behind economically even before the Civil War.

[USS Monitor]

People from slaveholding families served in the Confederate military at a higher rate than those whose families did not own slaves, and Confederate leaders said they were seceding due to slavery.

Revolutionary War leaders said they were seceding because of taxes and because the government was not listening to them. They didn't really bring slavery into it. Having some slave-owners on your side doesn't automatically mean you are fighting about slavery. Sometimes slave-owners get involved in fights about other issues. But the Confederates explicitly said they were fighting to stop the North interfering with slavery.

I don't think the revolutionaries gave a fuck about taxes, that was just the excuse. What they were really interested in was expanding into Indian territory and being independent of the United Kingdom. The colonies were barely taxed at all, and they wanted to be free of taxation and British rule. An independent United States was certainly in the business interests of the founding fathers.

That's still totally unrelated to slavery.

[Thermodolia]

He was a traitor.

Why you guys don't just celebrate Benedict Arnold Day?

I'm sure the British might celebrate such a day.

The CSA doesn't exist

[Aryan Nation]

Just based on studying the era, particularly. Britain prevented encroachment into Indian territories, part of the American revolutionary war was only based partially on the very few taxes(relative to those raised in Britain to pay for the so-called 'french and indian war') levied in the colonies.

Those could have been some of the reasons, I believe the cry was taxation without representation. so once again, what do base the claim on that it was just an excuse, and not just another part of the cause? Also, a raise in taxes when they have previously not really been taxed before
will still get people angry, even if the tax is small. You have not supported your claim.

This isn't a history class, i don't feel the need to provide citations for every historical fact that is commonly known. I had enough of that in College.
It's a very complicated theory that involves a lot of studying.

The fact of the matter is, the founding fathers wouldn't have been actually interested in representation in the British parliament, because they'd have been heavily outvoted by their non-American colleagues. They knew this, and it would have only increased not decreased the amount of taxes they owed to the British state.

[Aryan Nation]

I don't think the revolutionaries gave a fuck about taxes, that was just the excuse. What they were really interested in was expanding into Indian territory and being independent of the United Kingdom. The colonies were barely taxed at all, and they wanted to be free of taxation and British rule. An independent United States was certainly in the business interests of the founding fathers.

The taxes weren't the problem, it was the fact that the Americans had no say in the legislation.

The Colonies wanted to remain with Britain, but the British refused to give them representation in the government. This is made clear by the Olive Branch Petition.

It's more complicated than that.