Robert E. Lee Day

[Valrifell]

Yeah, you're right they one, then decided to concede defeat anyway /s

They did pretty good during reconstruction and the next 100 years.

Hmm.... yeah, no. They did not do pretty good during reconstruction and the next 100 years. The South never again has had the level of political and economic influence it enjoyed before the Civil War. After all, the former confederate states and the South in general are still considerably poorer than the North or West.

[Aryan Nation]

They did pretty good during reconstruction and the next 100 years.

Hmm.... yeah, no. They did not do pretty good during reconstruction and the next 100 years. The South never again has had the level of political and economic influence it enjoyed before the Civil War. After all, the former confederate states and the South in general are still considerably poorer than the North or West.

Yet the South holds half the population and has a far better economy now than it did.

[Internationalist Bastard]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee_Day Not too many. Most decided to drop the holiday that existed only to assholes

Explains why my Mainer ass never heard of it.

Yes well I had the misfortune of growing up near Nazi's as a child, this was among their favorite days to yell

[Commonwealth of Hank the Cat]

But he chose that. He was offered leadership in the Union Army and declined to fight for his state. It's well-documented that he didn't believe in any part of the CSA cause, but he was loyal to his state, which on it's own should be commended in some way.

Loyalty for the sake of it is not commendable. What he was fighting for, regardless of his personal beliefs and morality, was the CSA cause, which isn't commendable in the slightest.

The CSA "cause"? What cause? I wasn't aware seceding for economic reasons was a cause.

[Cymrea]

Robert E. Lee - and everyone else who has ever served in the American military, North or South - have Veterans Day and/or Memorial Day, as appropriate.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Loyalty for the sake of it is not commendable. What he was fighting for, regardless of his personal beliefs and morality, was the CSA cause, which isn't commendable in the slightest.

The CSA "cause"? What cause? I wasn't aware seceding for economic reasons was a cause.

Well, nationalism is a cause

[Need a Name]

Did you know most segregated communities collapse? Probably because telling people they have no rights because they had they audacity to have different genes works out poorly

Nazi Germany didn't have any problems with that.

Dude, those "Southern Ways" included owning other people. That's not something a person can reasonably defend.

the vast majority of southerners did not own people.

Well of course the Nazis didn't have any issues with segregation they just murdered the race they didn't like.

That moment when you realize that his country name is "Aryan Nation".

[Valrifell]

Hmm.... yeah, no. They did not do pretty good during reconstruction and the next 100 years. The South never again has had the level of political and economic influence it enjoyed before the Civil War. After all, the former confederate states and the South in general are still considerably poorer than the North or West.

Yet the South holds half the population and has a far better economy now than it did.

That does not change the fact that Reconstruction ended a bitter failure, nor does it change that the South still struggled for the majority of the early 20th century.

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

Nazi Germany didn't have any problems with that.




the vast majority of southerners did not own people.

Well of course the Nazis didn't have any issues with segregation they just murdered the race they didn't like.

That moment when you realize that their nation name is "Aryan Nation".

Who did you think they were, Indians?

[Gettenfeld]

They probably figured it would be a way to strike back at that Agitator MLK, when it was originally decided. Same reason they hoisted the Confederate flag.

Because a whole bunch of foreign northern yankees came down trying to change our southern ways

Dude, those "Southern Ways" included owning other people. That's not something a person can reasonably defend.

the vast majority of southerners did not own people.

That is true. But good ol' Bobby E. Lee owned dozens of 'em. 63, to be exact.

[Aryan Nation]

Dude, those "Southern Ways" included owning other people. That's not something a person can reasonably defend.

the vast majority of southerners did not own people.

That is true. But good ol' Bobby E. Lee owned dozens of 'em. 63, to be exact.

many northern generals supported or were apathetic to slavery themselves, and quite a few of our founding fathers owned slaves, too.

[Need a Name]

Explains why my Mainer ass never heard of it.

Yes well I had the misfortune of growing up near Nazi's as a child, this was among their favorite days to yell

There's a story there.

What other holidays do Nazi's enjoy celebrating? Never really thought about them having their own little culture.

[USS Monitor]

Lee was a traitor to his nation. He was the military arm of a rebellion that supported the institution of slavery. Celebrating his birthday is celebrating sedition, and should be treated as such.

George washington was a traitor to his nation. He was the military arm of a rebellion that supported the institution of slavery. Celebrating him is like celebrating sedition, and should be treated as such.

After all, the United Kingdom was the legitimate government.

This wasn't 2017, this was 1860. The idea of the United States being a 'nation' above your own state was a very alien idea to many people. People had more loyalty to their State. To them, that was their country.

Most the southerners who fought didn't even own any slaves.

These weren't deplorable fucking terrorists, these were brave men who stood up for what they believed in and died for it. Better than those ISIS guys who'd just car bomb a bunch of people.

People from slaveholding families served in the Confederate military at a higher rate than those whose families did not own slaves, and Confederate leaders said they were seceding due to slavery.

Revolutionary War leaders said they were seceding because of taxes and because the government was not listening to them. They didn't really bring slavery into it. Having some slave-owners on your side doesn't automatically mean you are fighting about slavery. Sometimes slave-owners get involved in fights about other issues. But the Confederates explicitly said they were fighting to stop the North interfering with slavery.

[Gettenfeld]

That is true. But good ol' Bobby E. Lee owned dozens of 'em. 63, to be exact.

many northern generals supported or were apathetic to slavery themselves, and quite a few of our founding fathers owned slaves, too.

Regrettably, that is true. Not everyone was on-board with all that Abolitionist jazz. But you know what they were on board for? The United States of America. Robert E. Lee, regardless of how good a general he was (and he was indeed a good one), is a turncoat and a traitor. We may as well celebrate Benedict Arnold Day.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Yes well I had the misfortune of growing up near Nazi's as a child, this was among their favorite days to yell

There's a story there.

What other holidays do Nazi's enjoy celebrating? Never really thought about them having their own little culture.

Oh well 2 August, Hitlers birthday is the only other one I remember. I'd like to tell you I had extensive conversations with them, but I was more worried about their gun collection

[Aryan Nation]

Yes well I had the misfortune of growing up near Nazi's as a child, this was among their favorite days to yell

There's a story there.

What other holidays do Nazi's enjoy celebrating? Never really thought about them having their own little culture.

the KKK celebrates pretty much every christian holiday

[Neutraligon]

That is true. But good ol' Bobby E. Lee owned dozens of 'em. 63, to be exact.

many northern generals supported or were apathetic to slavery themselves, and quite a few of our founding fathers owned slaves, too.

And?

[Internationalist Bastard]

There's a story there.

What other holidays do Nazi's enjoy celebrating? Never really thought about them having their own little culture.

the KKK celebrates pretty much every christian holiday

Well this wasn't KKK, they were like, Silver Bullet Gang or something. I dunno, it's been years.

[Aryan Nation]

George washington was a traitor to his nation. He was the military arm of a rebellion that supported the institution of slavery. Celebrating him is like celebrating sedition, and should be treated as such.

After all, the United Kingdom was the legitimate government.

This wasn't 2017, this was 1860. The idea of the United States being a 'nation' above your own state was a very alien idea to many people. People had more loyalty to their State. To them, that was their country.

Most the southerners who fought didn't even own any slaves.

These weren't deplorable fucking terrorists, these were brave men who stood up for what they believed in and died for it. Better than those ISIS guys who'd just car bomb a bunch of people.

People from slaveholding families served in the Confederate military at a higher rate than those whose families did not own slaves, and Confederate leaders said they were seceding due to slavery.

Revolutionary War leaders said they were seceding because of taxes and because the government was not listening to them. They didn't really bring slavery into it. Having some slave-owners on your side doesn't automatically mean you are fighting about slavery. Sometimes slave-owners get involved in fights about other issues. But the Confederates explicitly said they were fighting to stop the North interfering with slavery.

I don't think the revolutionaries gave a fuck about taxes, that was just the excuse. What they were really interested in was expanding into Indian territory and being independent of the United Kingdom. The colonies were barely taxed at all, and they wanted to be free of taxation and British rule. An independent United States was certainly in the business interests of the founding fathers.

[USS Monitor]

Most parts of the South tend to be heavily patriotic, with Southerners making up a sizeable portion serving in the US army. It's doubtful that many (if any) parts want to secede again. Else that would be eaten up by the mainstream media. More likely people just respect Lee because of his reputation as a good general and a Southern patriot (though whether he deserves that reputation is irrelevant to me - I don't think Rommel deserves his, generals tend to be talked up based on PR).

I'm from the South, most southerners are patriotic to a degree, that's true, but many are still sympathetic to the southern cause. Even if they consider themselves 'patriotic'.

Funny thing is, the confederates saw themselves as patriotic, heirs to George Washington. To them, it was the North that strayed from the ideas of the founding fathers.

The North doesn't give a shit. The 18th century ended a while ago, and apart from a few backwaters in northern New England we're ready to move on.

[Aryan Nation]

many northern generals supported or were apathetic to slavery themselves, and quite a few of our founding fathers owned slaves, too.

Regrettably, that is true. Not everyone was on-board with all that Abolitionist jazz. But you know what they were on board for? The United States of America. Robert E. Lee, regardless of how good a general he was (and he was indeed a good one), is a turncoat and a traitor. We may as well celebrate Benedict Arnold Day.

I hate the united states, i hate everything that it stands for and it's so-called 'president'. I myself would like to see this country fall apart.

[Gettenfeld]

George washington was a traitor to his nation. He was the military arm of a rebellion that supported the institution of slavery. Celebrating him is like celebrating sedition, and should be treated as such.

After all, the United Kingdom was the legitimate government.

This wasn't 2017, this was 1860. The idea of the United States being a 'nation' above your own state was a very alien idea to many people. People had more loyalty to their State. To them, that was their country.

Most the southerners who fought didn't even own any slaves.

These weren't deplorable fucking terrorists, these were brave men who stood up for what they believed in and died for it. Better than those ISIS guys who'd just car bomb a bunch of people.

People from slaveholding families served in the Confederate military at a higher rate than those whose families did not own slaves, and Confederate leaders said they were seceding due to slavery.

Revolutionary War leaders said they were seceding because of taxes and because the government was not listening to them. They didn't really bring slavery into it. Having some slave-owners on your side doesn't automatically mean you are fighting about slavery. Sometimes slave-owners get involved in fights about other issues. But the Confederates explicitly said they were fighting to stop the North interfering with slavery.

That's right. Having slavers on your side doesn't make your fight about slavery. But saying this sure does:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition"

[Genivaria]

Hmm.... yeah, no. They did not do pretty good during reconstruction and the next 100 years. The South never again has had the level of political and economic influence it enjoyed before the Civil War. After all, the former confederate states and the South in general are still considerably poorer than the North or West.

Yet the South holds half the population and has a far better economy now than it did.

Your welcome.

[Aryan Nation]

I'm from the South, most southerners are patriotic to a degree, that's true, but many are still sympathetic to the southern cause. Even if they consider themselves 'patriotic'.

Funny thing is, the confederates saw themselves as patriotic, heirs to George Washington. To them, it was the North that strayed from the ideas of the founding fathers.

The North doesn't give a shit. The 18th century ended a while ago, and apart from a few backwaters in northern New England we're ready to move on.

Nope, racism exists everywhere.

[Aryan Nation]

People from slaveholding families served in the Confederate military at a higher rate than those whose families did not own slaves, and Confederate leaders said they were seceding due to slavery.

Revolutionary War leaders said they were seceding because of taxes and because the government was not listening to them. They didn't really bring slavery into it. Having some slave-owners on your side doesn't automatically mean you are fighting about slavery. Sometimes slave-owners get involved in fights about other issues. But the Confederates explicitly said they were fighting to stop the North interfering with slavery.

That's right. Having slavers on your side doesn't make your fight about slavery. But saying this sure does:

"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition"

That's right.