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Postby Alvecia » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:20 am

Indo-European Union wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Nah, appears I can't read instead. Missed your comment about "and how many happened in the USA between 1980 and 2017 according to this list", just focused on the first bit.

I think we have plenty evidence to state that it is likely that regulation are not the cause there.

Whatever. You said the number of crashes was itself evidence: now you admit it isn't. Or evidence in the other direction. Now you have to try to explain away why there are way more crises under regulation even though regulation reduces crises. Whatever.

I said the number of crashes in Britain remaining roughly equal despite the introduction of regulations was evidence that regulations have no effect.
The number of crashes in the US increasing does not change this. In fact, it supports that assertion, as now we have both an instance of financial stability and financial instability, both under the effect of increased regulation. Evidently the amount of regulation has no correlation to either financial stability or financial instability.

We are excluding a lot of nuance, mind.
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Postby Cymrea » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:20 am

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But it's something he feels to be right. Isn't that enough? Facts and evidence can lie, but that feeling in your gut won't.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:25 am

Judiciary Committee just approved Sessions 11-9, breaking along party lines, he moves on to a full confirmation hearing in the Senate.

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Postby Surkiea » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:51 am

I really hope your happy America, you've just elected a Russian puppet as president.

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Postby The Blue Flag Republic » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:57 am

Surkiea wrote:I really hope your happy America, you've just elected a Russian puppet as president.


The nation's mood is probably, as an aggregate of the moods of everyone, neutral on the matter.
I am personally displeased. I doubt Trump is, deliberately at least, an agent of the Russians.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Feb 01, 2017 9:59 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Judiciary Committee just approved Sessions 11-9, breaking along party lines, he moves on to a full confirmation hearing in the Senate.


Yup. The fucking hypocrite Hatch changed the rules as he didn't like the democrats using his approach from the past.
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Postby Surkiea » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:00 am

The Blue Flag Republic wrote:
Surkiea wrote:I really hope your happy America, you've just elected a Russian puppet as president.


The nation's mood is probably, as an aggregate of the moods of everyone, neutral on the matter.
I am personally displeased. I doubt Trump is, deliberately at least, an agent of the Russians.

He keeps saying pro Russian statements and has shown that he is anti-NATO. 30 years ago, this guy would of been arrested for being a traitor.
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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:28 am

Surkiea wrote:
The Blue Flag Republic wrote:The nation's mood is probably, as an aggregate of the moods of everyone, neutral on the matter.
I am personally displeased. I doubt Trump is, deliberately at least, an agent of the Russians.

He keeps saying pro Russian statements and has shown that he is anti-NATO. 30 years ago, this guy would of been arrested for being a traitor.


70 years ago, you'd be considered a traitor for listening to German and Japanese music.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:32 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Judiciary Committee just approved Sessions 11-9, breaking along party lines, he moves on to a full confirmation hearing in the Senate.


Yup. The fucking hypocrite Hatch changed the rules as he didn't like the democrats using his approach from the past.


Um..no? Hatch is on the Finance committee, not the Judiciary Committee.

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:46 am

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I feel no need to do so, given that you've provided not even the flimsiest of arguments in favour of your assertions.

Then by General rules, u lose.


Erm, no. You've utterly failed to present any kind of argument at all, and so have "lost" (in as much as the purpose of debate is to "win" (HINT: It isn't)) by default.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Kravanica » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:48 am

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Postby Salandriagado » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:48 am

Indo-European Union wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I've got them both at 7.

Then you can't count.

The list gives 7 happening in Britain in the 200 years between 1700 and 1900, and 9+4 happening in the US in the 37 years between 1980 and 2017 (9 with flag, plus 4 described as "global" without flags).

So according to this evidence, which you are so clownishly lazy you clearly didn't even bother to read, the regulatory state has increased the rate of stock market crashes more than ten times!


Notice how the latter were all incredibly minor compared to the utter and completely disastrous crashes of the former era, like the South Sea Bubble, precisely due to the existence of regulations preventing the bullshit that so exacerbated those crashes (like the South Sea Company giving people loans with which to buy its stock, for example).

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Cymrea wrote:
^^^

How can I possibly cite that? Do you think there is some "Choose Your Own Adventure" book for the universe that tells what would happen in counterfactual histories?


You provide arguments: specific methods by which the change would have had the effect that you claim. Notice how I did exactly that higher up this post.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Cymrea » Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:50 am

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The Black Forrest wrote:
Yup. The fucking hypocrite Hatch changed the rules as he didn't like the democrats using his approach from the past.


Um..no? Hatch is on the Finance committee, not the Judiciary Committee.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:09 am

What did I miss today MAGA thread?

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Postby Community Values » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:12 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What did I miss today MAGA thread?


Why we care about Ukraine, and something about free market capitalism. fun stuff.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:14 am

Community Values wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What did I miss today MAGA thread?


Why we care about Ukraine, and something about free market capitalism.

Because it's a cool place.

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Postby Betoni » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:14 am

Community Values wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What did I miss today MAGA thread?


Why we care about Ukraine, and something about free market capitalism. fun stuff.


Wrong! What do you feel like you missed? Think of an alternative feel to that and you're great.

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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:28 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What did I miss today MAGA thread?


Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan
Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal suicide
Foreign debts, homeless Vets, AIDS, crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and Roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore

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Postby The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:36 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What did I miss today MAGA thread?


Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan
Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal suicide
Foreign debts, homeless Vets, AIDS, crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and Roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:42 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What did I miss today MAGA thread?


Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan
Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal suicide
Foreign debts, homeless Vets, AIDS, crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and Roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore


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Postby Gauthier » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:44 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What did I miss today MAGA thread?


Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan
Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal suicide
Foreign debts, homeless Vets, AIDS, crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and Roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:49 am

I feel like I've lost several IQ points by reading the last few pages.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:50 am

Lady Scylla wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:What did I miss today MAGA thread?


Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline
Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan
Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal suicide
Foreign debts, homeless Vets, AIDS, crack, Bernie Goetz
Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
Rock and Roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore


Really?

I need to stop going to sleep, shit storms keep on happening.

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Postby Tarsonis Survivors » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:51 am

Cymrea wrote:
Tarsonis Survivors wrote:
Um..no? Hatch is on the Finance committee, not the Judiciary Committee.

Hatch served as either the chairman or ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee from 1993 to 2005.


(come onnn termlimits) Yes but he's circumventing the committee rules for Trumps appointments in the Finance committee, but not for sessions.

Unless I'm misunderstanding the point.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:53 am

Tarsonis Survivors wrote:Judiciary Committee just approved Sessions 11-9, breaking along party lines, he moves on to a full confirmation hearing in the Senate.


Huh, this is off of you to post out of the CDT from my experience, at least here in General.

I'm reading about it. It seems he also has the support of at least one Democrat, so it's pretty much over for the Democrats on their battle against Sessions.
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