Trump MAGAThread III: Steak, Vodka, Casinos, and America

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The theory of integers required people who were learned in mathematics to explain integers, which requires academic institutions where they teach you how to think, which, you know, requires Universities as a matter of necessity.

The only one amused here is me, right now, with this particular discussion.

The first Western university was founded in 1155, while integers were known to the Ancient Greeks. You are wrong.

The ancient Greeks still had schools and spaces where they could discuss and learn topics. You know, sort of what a college is in the West. I believe they were called "academies", but you know.

[Ashmoria]

The theory of integers required people who were learned in mathematics to explain integers, which requires academic institutions where they teach you how to think, which, you know, requires Universities as a matter of necessity.

The only one amused here is me, right now, with this particular discussion.

The first Western university was founded in 1155, while integers were known to the Ancient Greeks. You are wrong.

THIS is why you don't have to source everything. after a while it becomes utterly irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[Sunstruck]

Because other people haven't had a claim challenged. You have. Either support it, or concede it.

I challenged their claims, to which they responded not with sources, but spluttering disbelief.

This is common in literally every debate ever. Provide evidence for your claims. The fact that you haven't makes you less trustworthy.

[Indo-European Union]

The first Western university was founded in 1155, while integers were known to the Ancient Greeks. You are wrong.

The ancient Greeks still had schools and spaces where they could discuss and learn topics. You know, sort of what a college is in the West.

If you define a university as "a space where you could discuss and learn topics" then Google is a university. So is this board. So is your local bar. So is my flat, which contains rather a lot of books.

But none of those things are universities.

[Uxupox]

stand down? he is probably going to drop sanctions while this is going on.

Don't worry, he is strong on foreign policy. So he'll allow Russia to have fair "referendums" in places with significant russian minorities like Eastern Ukraine.

Because he's strong on foreign policy, unlike Obama.

Obama's policy of alienating our Turkish allies has allowed the Russians to normalize relations with one of our most strategic allies in the region.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The ancient Greeks still had schools and spaces where they could discuss and learn topics. You know, sort of what a college is in the West.

If you define a university as "a space where you could discuss and learn topics" then Google is a university. So is this board. So is your local bar. So is my flat, which contains rather a lot of books.

But none of those things are universities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_h ... stitutions

[Community Values]

Don't worry, he is strong on foreign policy. So he'll allow Russia to have fair "referendums" in places with significant russian minorities like Eastern Ukraine.

Because he's strong on foreign policy, unlike Obama.

Obama's policy of alienating our Turkish allies has allowed the Russians to normalize relations with one of our most strategic allies in the region.

I'm not doubting that Obama was horrible in foreign policy, but Trump is hardly any better.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Obama's policy of alienating our Turkish allies has allowed the Russians to normalize relations with one of our most strategic allies in the region.

I'm not doubting that Obama was horrible in foreign policy, but Trump is hardly any better.

Obama was bad at foreign policy. He wasn't an abject failure, but it's not like he was perfect. There were plenty of things he did that were wrong.

Trump is showing within the first week he doesn't understand foreign relations.

I'm pretty sure the guy who shows he doesn't understand foreign relations is worse than the guy who at least does, but has bad foreign policy.

[Lady Scylla]

Because you're the one making claims, whereas being rebuffed. So scathing, it hurt my feelings. I'll just downgrade your argument to rambling opinion. When you're actually interested in some form of legitimate debate, do let us know! Have a nice day.

I love how he adds that "nerds" try to back out of arguments they lost with sources. On the internet.

Well. I am a computer nerd. But even I must understand why my program is bugged, and repeat said bug several times. :V

[Salandriagado]

Because other people haven't had a claim challenged. You have. Either support it, or concede it.

I challenged their claims, to which they responded not with sources, but spluttering disbelief.

What claim? I've noticed nobody else making any such claims; just plenty of people challenging yours. Which you still haven't provided the slightest evidence or argument for, I note.

[Ifreann]

stand down? he is probably going to drop sanctions while this is going on.

Don't worry, he is strong on foreign policy. So he'll allow Russia to have fair "referendums" in places with significant russian minorities like Eastern Ukraine.

Because he's strong on foreign policy, unlike Obama.

Obama would have been calling for more sanctions, because he's so weak on foreign policy. Trump though, he'll say that Ukrain is a tough issue and then not do anything, because he's strong on foreign policy.

[Indo-European Union]

I challenged their claims, to which they responded not with sources, but spluttering disbelief.

What claim? I've noticed nobody else making any such claims; just plenty of people challenging yours. Which you still haven't provided the slightest evidence or argument for, I note.

The debate started with someone asking me if an economy with no regulation had ever worked (which was a deliberate misreading of what I was advocating anyway) - which obviously it has. I then responded with an example of it working.

No one said, "here is an example of an economy with no regulation not working, because x, y and z..." - they just said it didn't work and demanded I prove them wrong. Which is not quite what I've done in return, but, sure, I'm not going to run off and do serious research and quality writing for such people. Especially as they'll likely dismiss it with a single line anyway.

[Ashmoria]

Don't worry, he is strong on foreign policy. So he'll allow Russia to have fair "referendums" in places with significant russian minorities like Eastern Ukraine.

Because he's strong on foreign policy, unlike Obama.

Obama would have been calling for more sanctions, because he's so weak on foreign policy. Trump though, he'll say that Ukrain is a tough issue and then not do anything, because he's strong on foreign policy.

its WEAK to build an international consensus that wrecks the Russian economy, dammit

its STRONG to talk tough (not that I think he will talk tough) and pretend that you will use your big stick.

[Indo-European Union]

What's the US interest in keeping Russians in East Ukraine from rejoining Russia? It seems like you guys are just acting out of spite at this point.

[Gauthier]

Obama would have been calling for more sanctions, because he's so weak on foreign policy. Trump though, he'll say that Ukrain is a tough issue and then not do anything, because he's strong on foreign policy.

its WEAK to build an international consensus that wrecks the Russian economy, dammit

its STRONG to talk tough (not that I think he will talk tough) and pretend that you will use your big stick.

Trump will recognize Russian annexation of Ukraine because he's strong on foreign policy unlike weak, effeminate Obama. *nod*

[Uxupox]

Obama would have been calling for more sanctions, because he's so weak on foreign policy. Trump though, he'll say that Ukrain is a tough issue and then not do anything, because he's strong on foreign policy.

its WEAK to build an international consensus that wrecks the Russian economy, dammit

its STRONG to talk tough (not that I think he will talk tough) and pretend that you will use your big stick.

Never did stop the Russian intervention in Syria as part of the pro-government force nor did it force the immediate Russian forces to withdraw from both Crimea and the Ukraine region.

The use of the "big stick" policy as termed by the our previous President Theodore Roosevelt only had resounding success in the areas that it was used.

[Ashmoria]

its WEAK to build an international consensus that wrecks the Russian economy, dammit

its STRONG to talk tough (not that I think he will talk tough) and pretend that you will use your big stick.

Trump will recognize Russian annexation of Ukraine because he's strong on foreign policy unlike weak, effeminate Obama. *nod*

exactly.

and he will drop the Russian sanctions because he is STRONG. we will get nothing in return for dropping the sanctions because HE IS THE BEST NEGOTIATOR.

[Salandriagado]

What claim? I've noticed nobody else making any such claims; just plenty of people challenging yours. Which you still haven't provided the slightest evidence or argument for, I note.

The debate started with someone asking me if an economy with no regulation had ever worked (which was a deliberate misreading of what I was advocating anyway) - which obviously it has. I then responded with an example of it working.

No one said, "here is an example of an economy with no regulation not working, because x, y and z..." - they just said it didn't work and demanded I prove them wrong. Which is not quite what I've done in return, but, sure, I'm not going to run off and do serious research and quality writing for such people. Especially as they'll likely dismiss it with a single line anyway.

No, you didn't. You gave an example which you claimed, without evidence or argument:

a) had no regulation; and
b) worked.


I then provided evidence that (b) was false (the many, many major market crashes during the period in question), which you utterly ignored, and you continued to provide zero evidence or argument for your point.

[Ashmoria]

its WEAK to build an international consensus that wrecks the Russian economy, dammit

its STRONG to talk tough (not that I think he will talk tough) and pretend that you will use your big stick.

Never did stop the Russian intervention in Syria as part of the pro-government force nor did it force the immediate Russian forces to withdraw from both Crimea and the Ukraine region.

The use of the "big stick" policy as termed by the our previous President Theodore Roosevelt only had resounding success in the areas that it was used.

did we TRY to stop Russian intervention in Syria? Russia has a long standing relationship with Syria.

[Uxupox]

its WEAK to build an international consensus that wrecks the Russian economy, dammit

its STRONG to talk tough (not that I think he will talk tough) and pretend that you will use your big stick.

Trump will recognize Russian annexation of Ukraine because he's strong on foreign policy unlike weak, effeminate Obama. *nod*

That's a wet dream that is purely conjecture and you know it.

[Community Values]

What's the US interest in keeping Russians in East Ukraine from rejoining Russia? It seems like you guys are just acting out of spite at this point.

Russians taking eastern Ukraine makes them feel confident about taking more land. Why do we want Russia, with a kleptocratic president that's essentially a dictator, to take more land and feel confident that he can war and pillage whatever he wants?

At the very least, America and the EU (if the EU stops their love of Russian fuel) need to put sanctions on Russia.

EDIT: America loves Saudi oil, not Russian oil.

[Uxupox]

Never did stop the Russian intervention in Syria as part of the pro-government force nor did it force the immediate Russian forces to withdraw from both Crimea and the Ukraine region.

The use of the "big stick" policy as termed by the our previous President Theodore Roosevelt only had resounding success in the areas that it was used.

did we TRY to stop Russian intervention in Syria? Russia has a long standing relationship with Syria.

Not at all. We almost have completely ignored any sort of affairs with the government of Syria.

[Ifreann]

What's the US interest in keeping Russians in East Ukraine from rejoining Russia? It seems like you guys are just acting out of spite at this point.

It is in the interests of all people to refuse to accept as legitimate the acquisition of territory by force. I'm sure a history buff like yourself doesn't need any explanation as to why.

[Ashmoria]

did we TRY to stop Russian intervention in Syria? Russia has a long standing relationship with Syria.

Not at all. We almost have completely ignored any sort of affairs with the government of Syria.

then I don't get your point.

[Lady Scylla]

What's the US interest in keeping Russians in East Ukraine from rejoining Russia? It seems like you guys are just acting out of spite at this point.

It is in the interests of all people to refuse to accept as legitimate the acquisition of territory by force. I'm sure a history buff like yourself doesn't need any explanation as to why.

Hm. I don't know. He was just touting about Britain during a certain... expansive era.