Dylann Roof sentenced to death

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I don't think Dylann is necessarily guilty, i mean, what proof do they have?

He had a fair trial, and was convicted.

[The Princes of the Universe]

I don't think Dylann is necessarily guilty, i mean, what proof do they have?

...he fucking killed people, dude.

They were black. It doesn't count. Didn't you know that? </sarcasm>

[Thermodolia]

Unfortunately. I hate that immensely, they should get 5 years max without a stay on the execution and then it's off to be executed.

How do you suggest they speed up the process given all the appeals and things that can be made to ensure the guilt of the person on death row?

I don't. If you don't have a stay on your impending execution and your 5 year limit runs out tough luck for you.

[Republic of Canador]

It's not. It's actually more expensive, more risky and you run the potential of accidentally killing the wrong person. Plus, killing doesn't bring back the dead, it just satiates our perverted human desire for social vengeance.

I don't care about the risk, they should have thought of that when they committed the crime. The expense comes from them sitting on death row for decades on end. If we execute them immediately afterwards it wouldn't be very expensive, especially if we don't go though all the hoops to minimize their pain.

If they had the wrong person and pressed charges on someone innocent, how the hell are they supposed to have " thought of that when they committed the crime"? That makes zero sense.

[Southerly Gentleman]

The death penalty should be reserved for political vengeance, à la helicopter rides. Social crimes like that of Roof should carry the maximum of a life sentence, which in some ways is worse for the prisoner than death.

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

Practically speaking, doesn't this mean that he'll spend a decade or longer on death row?

Unfortunately. I hate that immensely, they should get 5 years max without a stay on the execution and then it's off to be executed.

The reason it takes so long is because of all the mandatory appeals.

That process is supposed to help cut down on those wrongly executed.

Unfortunately, it still only does such a job. but i guess some people believe it's totally cool to kill 4% of the innocent, as long as the 96% who are guilty get the death penalty. out of some perverse sense of 'justice'.

http://www.newsweek.com/one-25-executed ... ims-248889

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/2 ... 28854.html

I think the death penalty should be abolished if it saves one person who is innocent from getting unjustly executed. That makes us almost as bad as the people we are executing!

As of October 2015, we have executed over 1,414 individuals in this country since 1976.2 156 individuals have been exonerated from death row--that is, found to be innocent and released - since 1973. 3 In other words, for every 10 people who have been executed since the death penalty was reinstated in the U.S., one person has been set free.

-- http://www.ncadp.org/pages/innocence

It doesn't help that most of those executed tend to be overwhelmingly poor or minority(or both!). If you're rich, you can often buy your way to freedom. This is part of the fundamental injustices of our imperfect, human system, but giving such an unjust system the power of life and death is an injustice all it's own.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-de ... 976#defend

[Valdiu]

If I recall correctly, there was an article awhile back in Time or something about how the families of those killed didn't want the death penalty for Roof because of the Christian principle of forgiveness.

[Hippie Utopia]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/us/dylann-roof-trial/index.html

(1) Dylann roof has today been sentenced to death for his activities towards blacks. I personally believe his death penalty should be immediately reversed. the Jury should be ashamed of themselves. The death penalty is not appropriate.

Regardless, he has purportedly admitted some sort of guilt for this accused activity, and so the Jury subsequently found him guilty and sentenced him to death today.

(2) Do you think Dylann Roof should have his sentence pardoned? (3) How do you think this bodes for White-Black relations? How do you feel about his purported activities and subsequent retaliation?

(1) If by "activities toward blacks" you mean "murdering several people" and being unrepentant, then the death penalty is entirely appropriate. He is a danger to society.

(2) Pardoned? Surely you mean commuted; either way, no.

(3) I can't imagine the conviction will hurt relations.

[Neutraligon]

How do you suggest they speed up the process given all the appeals and things that can be made to ensure the guilt of the person on death row?

I don't. If you don't have a stay on your impending execution and your 5 year limit runs out tough luck for you.

So you are willing to have the government kill innocent people because you can't be arsed to wait and try and ensure they are actually guilty.

[Thermodolia]

I'm a strong supporter of the death penalty, I think we should definitely cut down the amount of time you are allowed to spend on death row before you are executed. And I'm perfectly fine with making them suffer.

Ever heard of the innocence project?

the death penalty leaves no room for mistakes -- if you fucking execute the wrong person and found out later, there are no do overs or compensation that can be given. The potential of executing an innocent man should be reason enough to abolish the death penalty.

Sometimes bad things happen to good people. Though I'd like a statistics on how offensive it is we are executing innocent people, because I don't think it's that high. If one innocent has to die for every 100 assholes than it's worth the cost to me

[Thermodolia]

I don't think Dylann is necessarily guilty, i mean, what proof do they have?

Dead bodies? His own damn words? Or do crimes committed against black people mean nothing to you?

[MERIZoC]

I'm against this of course.

Not to mention the whole "make him a martyr" schtick that you've all heard.

[Neutraligon]

Ever heard of the innocence project?

the death penalty leaves no room for mistakes -- if you fucking execute the wrong person and found out later, there are no do overs or compensation that can be given. The potential of executing an innocent man should be reason enough to abolish the death penalty.

Sometimes bad things happen to good people. Though I'd like a statistics on how offensive it is we are executing innocent people, because I don't think it's that high. If one innocent has to die for every 100 assholes than it's worth the cost to me

Correct sometimes bad things happen to good people, we should not make it worse by killing them without first doing everything we possibly can to ensure they are not guilty. You would be OK with you being that innocent because I would not.

[Republic of Canador]

I don't think Dylann is necessarily guilty, i mean, what proof do they have?

Dead bodies? His own damn words? Or do crimes committed against black people mean nothing to you?

Generally, I take confessions with a grain of salt, but in this case, he almost certainly committed the crime.

[Crockerland]

I'm sure killing him and immortalizing the memory of him as he is now is the best course of action.
Better not risk him spending a few decades in jail thinking about what he did.

I imagine this was supposed to be sarcasm, but it actually makes sense considering that whatever prison he ends up in will most likely be home to at least one Aryan gang that will applaud his actions and reassure him that what he did was good, possibly leading to him getting out on parole and then assisting his Aryan brothers from the outside and killing more black people.

[Luziyca]

...while it is expensive because of the appeals, and I may not support it due to cost and also the risk of executing the wrong dude, I honestly could not care less about Roof.

I mean, as a Canadian, I don't need to worry about keeping a Roof over my head because of the costs that us taxpayers would pay. Especially someone who confessed and is not remorseful.

[Thermodolia]

I don't. If you don't have a stay on your impending execution and your 5 year limit runs out tough luck for you.

So you are willing to have the government kill innocent people because you can't be arsed to wait and try and ensure they are actually guilty.

Pretty much I'm a lazy bastard

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

Ever heard of the innocence project?

the death penalty leaves no room for mistakes -- if you fucking execute the wrong person and found out later, there are no do overs or compensation that can be given. The potential of executing an innocent man should be reason enough to abolish the death penalty.

Sometimes bad things happen to good people. Though I'd like a statistics on how offensive it is we are executing innocent people, because I don't think it's that high. If one innocent has to die for every 100 assholes than it's worth the cost to me

It's probably closer to between 4-10%. That innocent person may not mean anything to you, but that is the same attitude Dylann Roof had towards his victims. He didn't care if 9 innocent people got murdered, because to him, it was all about 'revenge' and 'justice' to his perverted mind. He thought black people had committed crimes against white people by killing them. so he was willing to off 9 innocent people in 'retaliation'. that's the same sort of attitude.

So you're willing to kill 4-10 innocent people for every 90-96 justly killed just to satiate your bloodlust?

That innocent person may be a faceless number to you, but they're innocent people with families. fathers, brothers, daughters, sons, grandfathers... I mean, what if we executed one of your family members, that would be OK, as long as the other 10 people we executed were guilty?

[Neutraligon]

I don't think Dylann is necessarily guilty, i mean, what proof do they have?

Dead bodies? His own damn words? Or do crimes committed against black people mean nothing to you?

I believe they also have the gun he bought and used in the crime. I think it was found on him when he was arrested.

[Ryuujou]

Good. Evil bastards like him are literally why the death sentence exists.

Good riddance.

[Thermodolia]

Unfortunately. I hate that immensely, they should get 5 years max without a stay on the execution and then it's off to be executed.

The reason it takes so long is because of all the mandatory appeals.

That process is supposed to help cut down on those wrongly executed.

Unfortunately, it still only does such a job. but i guess some people believe it's totally cool to kill 4% of the innocent, as long as the 96% who are guilty get the death penalty. out of some perverse sense of 'justice'.

http://www.newsweek.com/one-25-executed ... ims-248889

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/2 ... 28854.html

I think the death penalty should be abolished if it saves one person who is innocent from getting unjustly executed. That makes us almost as bad as the people we are executing!

As of October 2015, we have executed over 1,414 individuals in this country since 1976.2 156 individuals have been exonerated from death row--that is, found to be innocent and released - since 1973. 3 In other words, for every 10 people who have been executed since the death penalty was reinstated in the U.S., one person has been set free.

-- http://www.ncadp.org/pages/innocence

It doesn't help that most of those executed tend to be overwhelmingly poor or minority(or both!). If you're rich, you can often buy your way to freedom. This is part of the fundamental injustices of our imperfect, human system, but giving such an unjust system the power of life and death is an injustice all it's own.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-de ... 976#defend

4% might be too high but it's not high enough to ban the death penalty. Besides I'd get rid of the mandatory appeals, however they can get a stay on their execution for as long as they wish while they fight their case.

Says minorities are overwhelmingly executed, graph shows that whites make up the majority of executions.

[Neutraligon]

So you are willing to have the government kill innocent people because you can't be arsed to wait and try and ensure they are actually guilty.

Pretty much I'm a lazy bastard

No, you are a person who cares so little about their fellow humans that you are willing to essentially commit murder of the innocent because you are impatient. Ensuring you don't kill the innocent by taking a little more time is hardy a great sacrifice. You didn't answer my question, would you be willing to be that innocent person?

[The Great Devourer of All]

I don't think he should be sentenced to death, but I'm willing to bet money (not really, I don't gamble) that our reasons for this belief are vastly different. I don't think he should be sentenced to death because I think the death penalty is morally wrong for all but maybe one or two crimes, whereas your posts on other threads suggest that you think he should be pardoned because he only killed African-Americans.

In case anyone's interested, the two crimes that I think are worthy of the death sentence are genocide and excessive harm to the environment. In both cases, the criminal would have to be convicted by the ICC.

[Thermodolia]

Dead bodies? His own damn words? Or do crimes committed against black people mean nothing to you?

I believe they also have the gun he bought and used in the crime. I think it was found on him when he was arrested.

That it was

[Roosevetania]

This is shameful. By killing killers, we become as bad as the killers themselves. Two wrongs don't make a right. Killing is never okay. Ever. EVER.