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Populi-Terrae wrote:While I agree that Dylan Roof should be punished for his atrocities, capital punishment is not the way to do it.

if you kill him, you risk turning him into a martyr for white nationalists and Neo-Nazis. I think it is better off to let him grow old and die in prison, or arrange a 'accident' with a cell block full of black inmates.

Will he even be executed? Look at how many people are still alive despite being on death row (for example, Richard Allen Davis, who murdered Polly Klaas in 1993, is still alive).

Major-Tom wrote:Source, btw.

Good riddance.

I agree.

Kudos, US justice system. You did good this time.

Oklahoman State wrote:Dylann roof has today been sentenced to death for his activities towards blacks. I personally believe his death penalty should be immediately reversed. the Jury should be ashamed of themselves. The death penalty is not appropriate.

Let me guess why: Because it was only a few niggers he shot in cold blood, right?

Oklahoman State wrote:Do you think Dylann Roof should have his sentence pardoned?

Suffice to say I'll not be losing a wink of sleep over this.

Oklahoman State wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/us/dylann-roof-trial/index.html

Dylann roof has today been sentenced to death for his activities towards blacks. I personally believe his death penalty should be immediately reversed. the Jury should be ashamed of themselves. The death penalty is not appropriate.

Oh, well you're incorrect to think that.

Oklahoman State wrote:Regardless, he has purportedly admitted some sort of guilt for this accused activity, and so the Jury subsequently found him guilty and sentenced him to death today.

Do you think Dylann Roof should have his sentence pardoned?

No.

Oklahoman State wrote:How do you think this bodes for White-Black relations?

White-Black relations aren't a thing.

Oklahoman State wrote:How do you feel about his purported activities and subsequent retaliation?

You want us to virtue signal about how we believe it's wrong to murder people for their race?

The fact that you think it's not justified for Dylan Roof to be killed and ask us about how we feel about him murdering a bunch of black people like there's more than one valid position to take on that makes it seem like you might be a white supremacist.

Ahh... the state strikes back.

Surely it must be ok for the government to kill people whilst shouting that citizens shouldn't kill each other, that makes sense, right?

I personally don't give a damn about whether Dylann Roof is alive or dead. He means nothing to me. It's the principle of capital punishment that I oppose.

Populi-Terrae wrote:While I agree that Dylan Roof should be punished for his atrocities, capital punishment is not the way to do it.

if you kill him, you risk turning him into a martyr for white nationalists and Neo-Nazis. I think it is better off to let him grow old and die in prison, or arrange a 'accident' with a cell block full of black inmates.

Shit, I never thought of that. But he should be kept away from black inmates- that would make him into even more of a martyr.

The Realm of Lordaeron wrote:I disagree with the Death Penalty, i think he should get a life sentence instead. This is not based on the race of the offender, just my belief on the death penalty.

That being said, his crime was both aggravated and horrific. He certainly deserved the conviction he got, though not the final judgment of death.

He's not better than a member of ISIS as far as i'm concerned.

Being an ISIS member gets you a cruise missile or a bomb dropped these days.

The Realm of Lordaeron wrote:I disagree with the Death Penalty, i think he should get a life sentence instead. This is not based on the race of the offender, just my belief on the death penalty.

That being said, his crime was both aggravated and horrific. He certainly deserved the conviction he got, though not the final judgment of death.

He's not better than a member of ISIS as far as i'm concerned.

I'm a strong supporter of the death penalty, I think we should definitely cut down the amount of time you are allowed to spend on death row before you are executed. And I'm perfectly fine with making them suffer.

I'm sure killing him and immortalizing the memory of him as he is now is the best course of action.
Better not risk him spending a few decades in jail thinking about what he did.

Thermodolia wrote:

The Realm of Lordaeron wrote:I disagree with the Death Penalty, i think he should get a life sentence instead. This is not based on the race of the offender, just my belief on the death penalty.

That being said, his crime was both aggravated and horrific. He certainly deserved the conviction he got, though not the final judgment of death.

He's not better than a member of ISIS as far as i'm concerned.

I'm a strong supporter of the death penalty, I think we should definitely cut down the amount of time you are allowed to spend on death row before you are executed. And I'm perfectly fine with making them suffer.

Over here, you were taken for your short drop within four weeks of being sentenced.

Uxupox wrote:

The Realm of Lordaeron wrote:I disagree with the Death Penalty, i think he should get a life sentence instead. This is not based on the race of the offender, just my belief on the death penalty.

That being said, his crime was both aggravated and horrific. He certainly deserved the conviction he got, though not the final judgment of death.

He's not better than a member of ISIS as far as i'm concerned.

Being an ISIS member gets you a cruise missile or a bomb dropped these days.

Because ISIS members can pose a threat, and aren't locked away in jail awaiting sentencing.

He killed people, and the state allows the death penalty.

Whats the problem here?

I'm not a fan of death, but still I'm not going to miss him.

I am against the death penalty in general so I don't agree with the punishment. That being said I am glad this is coming to a close.

Ostroeuropa wrote:I'm sure killing him and immortalizing the memory of him as he is now is the best course of action.
Better not risk him spending a few decades in jail thinking about what he did.

The death penalty's not an immediate thing, I think. He'll rot for a while before he's killed.

Thermodolia wrote:

The Realm of Lordaeron wrote:I disagree with the Death Penalty, i think he should get a life sentence instead. This is not based on the race of the offender, just my belief on the death penalty.

That being said, his crime was both aggravated and horrific. He certainly deserved the conviction he got, though not the final judgment of death.

He's not better than a member of ISIS as far as i'm concerned.

I'm a strong supporter of the death penalty, I think we should definitely cut down the amount of time you are allowed to spend on death row before you are executed. And I'm perfectly fine with making them suffer.

Ever heard of the innocence project?

the death penalty leaves no room for mistakes -- if you fucking execute the wrong person and found out later, there are no do overs or compensation that can be given. The potential of executing an innocent man should be reason enough to abolish the death penalty.

Saiwania wrote:Practically speaking, doesn't this mean that he'll spend a decade or longer on death row?

Unfortunately. I hate that immensely, they should get 5 years max without a stay on the execution and then it's off to be executed.

Republic of Canador wrote:

Uxupox wrote:
Being an ISIS member gets you a cruise missile or a bomb dropped these days.

Because ISIS members can pose a threat, and aren't locked away in jail awaiting sentencing.

A murderer also poses a threat such as a rapist as well. Both deserve execution if evidence points that they did it a 100%.

Thermodolia wrote:

Saiwania wrote:Practically speaking, doesn't this mean that he'll spend a decade or longer on death row?

Unfortunately. I hate that immensely, they should get 5 years max without a stay on the execution and then it's off to be executed.

How do you suggest they speed up the process given all the appeals and things that can be made to ensure the guilt of the person on death row?

I don't think Dylann is necessarily guilty, i mean, what proof do they have?

Oklahoman State wrote:I don't think Dylann is necessarily guilty, i mean, what proof do they have?

...he fucking killed people, dude.

Uxupox wrote:

Republic of Canador wrote:Because ISIS members can pose a threat, and aren't locked away in jail awaiting sentencing.

A murderer also poses a threat such as a rapist as well. Both deserve execution if evidence points that they did it a 100%.

How? The chance of them escaping prison on a life sentence are incredibly slim, its not going to happen. Dylann isn't some sort of mob boss, so he can't give orders to kill from behind bars. He's harmless, especially against the prison population, who I'm sure are going to make sure he gets the royal treatment.

Oklahoman State wrote:I don't think Dylann is necessarily guilty, i mean, what proof do they have?

You mean aside from the fact he confessed?

The Realm of Lordaeron wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:
Sure....but a shot to the arm seems more effective.

It's not. It's actually more expensive, more risky and you run the potential of accidentally killing the wrong person. Plus, killing doesn't bring back the dead, it just satiates our perverted human desire for social vengeance.

I don't care about the risk, they should have thought of that when they committed the crime. The expense comes from them sitting on death row for decades on end. If we execute them immediately afterwards it wouldn't be very expensive, especially if we don't go though all the hoops to minimize their pain.

Thermodolia wrote:

Saiwania wrote:Practically speaking, doesn't this mean that he'll spend a decade or longer on death row?

Unfortunately. I hate that immensely, they should get 5 years max without a stay on the execution and then it's off to be executed.

Why do you want to increase the odds of wrongfully executing an innocent person?