Dylann Roof sentenced to death

[Nickel Empire]

Kudos, US justice system. You did good this time.

This.

[Lorkhan]

I'm not particularly fond of the death penalty.

I say he should be forced to job to Roman Reigns for the rest of his life, since we have no better alternative.

[Salus Maior]

It'll remove a dangerous human being from the planet who has no qualms about killing innocent people. So, I'd call that a win for civilization.

That's a very dangerous moral position. It's safer to operate from the axiom that all human life is sacred.

I find that very ironic coming from you, considering your political positions. But that is not the subject of this discussion.

And if one finds life to be sacred, than one should not have qualms in defending lives from those who wish them destroyed, forcefully if necessary. Prison is not inescapable, there's literally no way to guarantee that Dylan Roof will not take any more lives unless he's removed as a threat. And he is a confirmed threat to innocent people.

To do anything else would be irresponsible.

[Thermodolia]

So would this standard be considered before the death penalty is handed down or after?

Before. AND after. The standard should apply for the the death penalty to be given before it is first handed down. Then it would be subject to review de novo on appeal.

Sounds good to me. But how many appeals should they get?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Life sentence him instead. A ruined and wasted life is worse than a short one.

Maybe torture him for the next 6 decades.

No, no human derives torture. Unless there into that sort of thing.

[Thermodolia]

I don't care. He's not fit to breathe the air on this planet

That's exactly what he thought about the people he killed.

Not the same thing

[Grenartia]

The death penalty is too good for him. Lock him up and throw away the key. Let him rot until he feels remorse, then let him rot some more.

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

That's exactly what he thought about the people he killed.

Not the same thing

Yeah, he doesn't have the veneer of legality to cover up his murder of innocent people, and doesn't have the distance of merely supporting a Government policy that achieves effectively the same result.

[Thermodolia]

It'll remove a dangerous human being from the planet who has no qualms about killing innocent people. So, I'd call that a win for civilization.

That's a very dangerous moral position. It's safer to operate from the axiom that all human life is sacred.

My morals are already screwed up so I don't care

[Arcturus Novus]

The death penalty is too good for him. Lock him up and throw away the key. Let him rot until he feels remorse, then let him rot some more.

Assuming that he'll ever actually regret his actions. Which, as of late, is unlikely.

[Greed and Death]

Maybe torture him for the next 6 decades.

Torture is wrong, we've gone down that path and doesn't solve any of our problems.

What do you gain from torturing that fucked up kid? Nothing, you only fuck up your own morals and self-worth. You lower yourself to his level.

Torturing prisoners is something we should leave to ISIS and other savages.

Let's not repeat the mistakes of the past.

Nothing is inherently right or wrong. I would gain personal satisfaction. I am a amoralist, and levels are subjective.

We are not repeating that mistake we do not want info out of him.

[Gauthier]

The death penalty is too good for him. Lock him up and throw away the key. Let him rot until he feels remorse, then let him rot some more.

Assuming that he'll ever actually regret his actions. Which, as of late, is unlikely.

Years of prison can do wonders.

[Thermodolia]

Not the same thing

Yeah, he doesn't have the veneer of legality to cover up his murder of innocent people, and doesn't have the distance of merely supporting a Government policy that achieves effectively the same result.

Roof is far from innocent

[Southerly Gentleman]

That's a very dangerous moral position. It's safer to operate from the axiom that all human life is sacred.

I find that very ironic coming from you, considering your political positions.

Which positions? The only one which contradicts that is pro-abortion, a stance that I've rather turned away from since making my sig.

That's a very dangerous moral position. It's safer to operate from the axiom that all human life is sacred.

And if one finds life to be sacred, than one should not have qualms in defending lives from those who wish them destroyed, forcefully if necessary. Prison is not inescapable, there's literally no way to guarantee that Dylan Roof will take any more lives unless he's removed as a threat. And he is a confirmed threat to innocent people.

To do anything else would be irresponsible.

fuck is this, Minority Report? You can't justify killing someone because they might take more lives in the future. Maybe they will, and then again, maybe they won't. Uncertainty is endemic to justice.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Torture is wrong, we've gone down that path and doesn't solve any of our problems.

What do you gain from torturing that fucked up kid? Nothing, you only fuck up your own morals and self-worth. You lower yourself to his level.

Torturing prisoners is something we should leave to ISIS and other savages.

Let's not repeat the mistakes of the past.

Nothing is inherently right or wrong. I would gain personal satisfaction. I am a amoralist, and levels are subjective.

We are not repeating that mistake we do not want info out of him.

Petting a puppy = right

abusing children = wrong

[The Princes of the Universe]

Assuming that he'll ever actually regret his actions. Which, as of late, is unlikely.

Years of prison can do wonders.

In his case, unless he's in solitary, there are prison gangs he'd likely meet that would stoke his flames.

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

Yeah, he doesn't have the veneer of legality to cover up his murder of innocent people, and doesn't have the distance of merely supporting a Government policy that achieves effectively the same result.

Roof is far from innocent

The thing about Government policy is that it has to be applied broadly and equally.

Killing this cocksucker won't end terrorism or racism. He's a scumbag, but the cost of the death penalty transcends this one crime.

[Southerly Gentleman]

That's a very dangerous moral position. It's safer to operate from the axiom that all human life is sacred.

My morals are already screwed up so I don't care

then no one has any reason to regard your opinion on a morally-charged topic.

[Arcturus Novus]

Assuming that he'll ever actually regret his actions. Which, as of late, is unlikely.

Years of prison can do wonders.

He'd probably fit right in with the Aryan Brotherhood...

[Thermodolia]

Nothing is inherently right or wrong. I would gain personal satisfaction. I am a amoralist, and levels are subjective.

We are not repeating that mistake we do not want info out of him.

Petting a puppy = right

abusing children = wrong

What if that puppy doesn't want to be pet?

Also the world isn't so black and white

[Targovia]

He needs life on prison, not state-sanctioned murder. If he dies, he'll be a martyr, as several of you have already pointed out.

Besides, perhaps God will punish him in due time.

[Thermodolia]

Roof is far from innocent

The thing about Government policy is that it has to be applied broadly and equally.

Killing this cocksucker won't end terrorism or racism. He's a scumbag, but the cost of the death penalty transcends this one crime.

I never claimed that it would. Damn the cost

[Gauthier]

Years of prison can do wonders.

He'd probably fit right in with the Aryan Brotherhood...

And there's probably a few black gangs in there as well. The Aryans would need to babysit him 24/7.

[Thermodolia]

My morals are already screwed up so I don't care

then no one has any reason to regard your opinion on a morally-charged topic.

I'm not forcing anyone to do so. I'm not the one replying to myself now am I?

[The Realm of Lordaeron]

The thing about Government policy is that it has to be applied broadly and equally.

Killing this cocksucker won't end terrorism or racism. He's a scumbag, but the cost of the death penalty transcends this one crime.

I never claimed that it would. Damn the cost

There really is no way to argue with an opinion entirely based in emotion with no basis in fact.

State policy should not be determined by raw emotion and how you 'feel' something should be, there should be facts behind it. It objectively costs more and endangers innocent people.