Couple refuses to tip black waitress

[Wolfenium]

If the story's true, that's really rude. Not illegal, but still horrible.

That said, some of these "OMG, LOOK AT THIS HORRIBLE NOTE A CUSTOMER WROTE!!!" stories turn out to be hoaxes. Absolutely not excusing it if someone really was enough of an asshole to write that, but I'm pretty sure there was a homophobic one that turned out to be fake, and there's just something about this story that I can't help taking it with a grain of salt... Would someone that racist really bother to tell her the service was good? I dunno... I'm kind of torn between not wanting to be dismissive, and trying to be respectful of the struggles that people face dealing with racism, but at the same time wanting to maintain a healthy skepticism about these types of click-baity stories. I can't shake the feeling that the story doesn't quite make sense.

Gloating, maybe? Anonymity has certainly given a voice to assholes the world over, especially in the internet. You might be right in that this could be falsified and should be taken with some grains of salt, but I'm not one to think there's a level of viciousness too low for humans to stoop to.

[Galloism]

I don't, but when arkansas's minimum wage went up from 7.25 to 8.25, I got a raise from $23 to $25 as a result. To keep me from defecting to another company, as wages went up across the area. Aside from that, I usually get 0.25 to 0.50 per year.

Not unreasonable to assume similar would happen with a larger minimum wage increase, within reason of course.

I can partially believe that, but I worked for Microsoft for a few months as a paid-intern and I was paid originally $4 above the minimum wage and when Seattle raised it's min, mine was now pennies above the minimum wage and yet mine didn't rise. I don't work for Microsoft anymore but from what my friends tell me, no one is getting wage hikes unless you get a generous promotion.

Interns get treated shitty.

Look at the bright side: at least your cost of living didn't go up. It's been quantified.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't, but when arkansas's minimum wage went up from 7.25 to 8.25, I got a raise from $23 to $25 as a result. To keep me from defecting to another company, as wages went up across the area. Aside from that, I usually get 0.25 to 0.50 per year.

Not unreasonable to assume similar would happen with a larger minimum wage increase, within reason of course.

I can partially believe that, but I worked for Microsoft for a few months as a paid-intern and I was paid originally $4 above the minimum wage and when Seattle raised it's min, mine was now pennies above the minimum wage and yet mine didn't rise. I don't work for Microsoft anymore but from what my friends tell me, no one is getting wage hikes unless you get a generous promotion.

This is your particular problem, right here.

Interns are not employees, technically, of the firm they are "working" for.

[Galloism]

I can partially believe that, but I worked for Microsoft for a few months as a paid-intern and I was paid originally $4 above the minimum wage and when Seattle raised it's min, mine was now pennies above the minimum wage and yet mine didn't rise. I don't work for Microsoft anymore but from what my friends tell me, no one is getting wage hikes unless you get a generous promotion.

This is your particular problem, right here.

Interns are not employees, technically, of the firm they are "working" for.

Umm.... there was a court case on this, and the decision was "its complicated".

I wouldn't go around making such sweeping statements if I were you.

[USS Monitor]

If people actually CLICKED the freaking link, they would've encountered an image just like this:

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These idiots are saying

I don't see what's wrong with that. They have a right to refuse to tip.

This is a racist note. This really shouldn't be allowed.

Ms Carter says she really does hope to see the couple again.
"Just me serving them will let them know they did not get the best of me. And I truly mean that."

Strong woman, she is.

Freedom of speech, yo. I don't recommend leaving a note like that if you eat out, but there's a difference between stuff I don't recommend and stuff that shouldn't be allowed.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This is your particular problem, right here.

Interns are not employees, technically, of the firm they are "working" for.

Umm.... there was a court case on this, and the decision was "its complicated".

I wouldn't go around making such sweeping statements if I were you.

I'd say interns fall in the same complicated ground as independent contractors. However, in his case, the lack of rising wage can be somewhat attributed to being an intern, and not because his wages didn't go up as an employee.

[Lavochkin]

I can partially believe that, but I worked for Microsoft for a few months as a paid-intern and I was paid originally $4 above the minimum wage and when Seattle raised it's min, mine was now pennies above the minimum wage and yet mine didn't rise. I don't work for Microsoft anymore but from what my friends tell me, no one is getting wage hikes unless you get a generous promotion.

This is your particular problem, right here.

Interns are not employees, technically, of the firm they are "working" for.

Note that I said "paid". If I wasn't their employee, they wouldn't even give me the minimum wage.

I can partially believe that, but I worked for Microsoft for a few months as a paid-intern and I was paid originally $4 above the minimum wage and when Seattle raised it's min, mine was now pennies above the minimum wage and yet mine didn't rise. I don't work for Microsoft anymore but from what my friends tell me, no one is getting wage hikes unless you get a generous promotion.

Interns get treated shitty.

Look at the bright side: at least your cost of living didn't go up. It's been quantified.

Some of my buddies made it into official rank and they aren't much better off than me. In-fact one of my friends is a Software Dev for Cloud-software and apparently he's pretty high-up but in a few years a McDonald janitor will make the same wage he does .

I'll soon be heading off to college where I'll join the other million students in eating cup noodle and collecting pennies in couches. I've made over 6-digit profits in investments however the fact that a high-school student must make investments really should point out the errors of this current economic system. Still better than earning $30 a month.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Some of my buddies made it into official rank and they aren't much better off than me. In-fact one of my friends is a Software Dev for Cloud-software and apparently he's pretty high-up but in a few years a McDonald janitor will make the same wage he does .

I'll soon be heading off to college where I'll join the other million students in eating cup noodle and collecting pennies in couches. I've made over 6-digit profits in investments however the fact that a high-school student must make investments really should point out the errors of this current economic system. Still better than earning $30 a month.

Heh, software devs and programmers in general have had a bad streak since I was, like, 15 years old.

It's one of the reasons I didn't go into programming, myself.

[Galloism]

This is your particular problem, right here.

Interns are not employees, technically, of the firm they are "working" for.

Note that I said "paid". If I wasn't their employee, they wouldn't even give me the minimum wage.

Interns get treated shitty.

Look at the bright side: at least your cost of living didn't go up. It's been quantified.

Some of my buddies made it into official rank and they aren't much better off than me. In-fact one of my friends is a Software Dev for Cloud-software and apparently he's pretty high-up but in a few years a McDonald janitor will make the same wage he does .

I'll soon be heading off to college where I'll join the other million students in eating cup noodle and collecting pennies in couches. I've made over 6-digit profits in investments however the fact that a high-school student must make investments really should point out the errors of this current economic system. Still better than earning $30 a month.

Well, typically, wages rise reactively across the spectrum (albeit not evenly) in response to a minimum wage hike, as some people will choose the mindless job at Walmart instead of the hard job at the software company if the pay is the same.

Ergo, them the software company has to pay more for talent.

Your friend will likely wind up better off once the higher minimum gets in full swing. It's economics - supply and demand.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Note that I said "paid". If I wasn't their employee, they wouldn't even give me the minimum wage.
Some of my buddies made it into official rank and they aren't much better off than me. In-fact one of my friends is a Software Dev for Cloud-software and apparently he's pretty high-up but in a few years a McDonald janitor will make the same wage he does .

I'll soon be heading off to college where I'll join the other million students in eating cup noodle and collecting pennies in couches. I've made over 6-digit profits in investments however the fact that a high-school student must make investments really should point out the errors of this current economic system. Still better than earning $30 a month.

Well, typically, wages rise reactively across the spectrum (albeit not evenly) in response to a minimum wage hike, as some people will choose the mindless job at Walmart instead of the hard job at the software company if the pay is the same.

Ergo, them the software company has to pay more for talent.

Your friend will likely wind up better off once the higher minimum gets in full swing. It's economics - supply and demand.

Or he can end up like many programmers here in Dallas during the 2000s who weren't even working in the field.

I mean, maybe things have changed in 10 years, but it doesn't seem like they have picked up down here at all for them.

[Lavochkin]

Some of my buddies made it into official rank and they aren't much better off than me. In-fact one of my friends is a Software Dev for Cloud-software and apparently he's pretty high-up but in a few years a McDonald janitor will make the same wage he does .

I'll soon be heading off to college where I'll join the other million students in eating cup noodle and collecting pennies in couches. I've made over 6-digit profits in investments however the fact that a high-school student must make investments really should point out the errors of this current economic system. Still better than earning $30 a month.

Heh, software devs and programmers in general have had a bad streak since I was, like, 15 years old.

It's one of the reasons I didn't go into programming, myself.

Considering the future and where I live, tech should be one of the best-earning jobs, yet the unions over at Boeing manage to get their workers paid the same as software devs yet do half the work.

If I were to predict life, I would say there will be too much software devs in the future, driving wages down to shit and competition high as Jesus. I would probably instead specialize in technical engineering. Somebody's gotta fix all those robots who will replace everybody.

Note that I said "paid". If I wasn't their employee, they wouldn't even give me the minimum wage.
Some of my buddies made it into official rank and they aren't much better off than me. In-fact one of my friends is a Software Dev for Cloud-software and apparently he's pretty high-up but in a few years a McDonald janitor will make the same wage he does .

I'll soon be heading off to college where I'll join the other million students in eating cup noodle and collecting pennies in couches. I've made over 6-digit profits in investments however the fact that a high-school student must make investments really should point out the errors of this current economic system. Still better than earning $30 a month.

Well, typically, wages rise reactively across the spectrum (albeit not evenly) in response to a minimum wage hike, as some people will choose the mindless job at Walmart instead of the hard job at the software company if the pay is the same.

Ergo, them the software company has to pay more for talent.

Your friend will likely wind up better off once the higher minimum gets in full swing. It's economics - supply and demand.

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Well right now more people are qualified to work at Walmart than Microsoft yet both are the same pay. I blame the unions since over here union strikes are common occurrences. Of-course the issue could be solved if our government stopped raising wages and instead offered a little more welfare or dropped the minimum wage so prices of goods will lower and companies can take their time to adjust wages all while we benefit from cheap gas but this what happens when half your state are Trump supporters and the other half Clinton supporters.

Well, typically, wages rise reactively across the spectrum (albeit not evenly) in response to a minimum wage hike, as some people will choose the mindless job at Walmart instead of the hard job at the software company if the pay is the same.

Ergo, them the software company has to pay more for talent.

Your friend will likely wind up better off once the higher minimum gets in full swing. It's economics - supply and demand.

Or he can end up like many programmers here in Dallas during the 2000s who weren't even working in the field.

I mean, maybe things have changed in 10 years, but it doesn't seem like they have picked up down here at all for them.

Doesn't Dallas and Texas in general have really cheap living costs?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1. Considering the future and where I live, tech should be one of the best-earning jobs, yet the unions over at Boeing manage to get their workers paid the same as software devs yet do half the work.

If I were to predict life, I would say there will be too much software devs in the future, driving wages down to shit and competition high as Jesus. I would probably instead specialize in technical engineering. Somebody's gotta fix all those robots who will replace everybody

2. Doesn't Dallas and Texas in general have really cheap living costs?

1. It's why I am aiming at Network Security, even Malware Analysis as a field I want to specialize in, because programming isn't that profitable as it used to be back in the day as far as I know. Even my dad pushed against me becoming a programmer as early as 2005. Looking in retrospective, he was right. Being a good troubleshooter always pays well though.

2. They do, yes. I mean, it's not dirt cheap (I can think of worse places), but it is relatively cheap to the West Coast from what I understand.

[The Blaatschapen]

Some of my buddies made it into official rank and they aren't much better off than me. In-fact one of my friends is a Software Dev for Cloud-software and apparently he's pretty high-up but in a few years a McDonald janitor will make the same wage he does .

I'll soon be heading off to college where I'll join the other million students in eating cup noodle and collecting pennies in couches. I've made over 6-digit profits in investments however the fact that a high-school student must make investments really should point out the errors of this current economic system. Still better than earning $30 a month.

Heh, software devs and programmers in general have had a bad streak since I was, like, 15 years old.

It's one of the reasons I didn't go into programming, myself.

I seem to experience otherwise...

Of course, Europe probably has wildly different labour market.

[Kergstan]

They are just rude racist bastards and i say that just because of the comment they did.

But we all know that but i think to tip is a nice gesture but all employers should be forced to give living wages.

[AsReil]

Seems a little... fishy.
The date isn't shown on the receipt, and looks fairly old. For all I know, this could be a radical BLM member bringing in an old receipt from 2002 or so, where racism was more likely than today, or she just wrote it herself. There seems to be no evidence of these people even being in the restaurant.
I'm aware that racism still kind of exists today, and has been a growing fire since November or so, but so have false racism claims. I don't think we should just take her word for it, 's all i'm saying. I wouldn't be surprised if she was caught next week for making the whole thing up.

In addition, tipping is entirely up to the customer, why does it matter if they said it was because she was black?
Complimentary actions of kindness can't really be defamed if that person has a bias. Just as I can't say I didn't help this lady I saw in the parking lot with her groceries because I didn't agree with her bumper sticker. She didn't ask me to help, and it was entirely my choice to be a nice person.

These people were just saying they appreciated the service, but it was against their own personal belief to tip the woman.

Boo hoo, racism still exists, pay me! It's only in a small amount of people, same with sexism, political beliefs, favourite colour for fuck's sake.
If anything, this is just rude and entirely that person's problem, but not worth sympathy attention. It's a societal problem, mates.

No one helped me pick up these papers I dropped because I believe in evolution!
(I accept cash only)

[Greater Germany]

If the story's true, that's really rude. Not illegal, but still horrible.

That said, some of these "OMG, LOOK AT THIS HORRIBLE NOTE A CUSTOMER WROTE!!!" stories turn out to be hoaxes. Absolutely not excusing it if someone really was enough of an asshole to write that, but I'm pretty sure there was a homophobic one that turned out to be fake, and there's just something about this story that I can't help taking it with a grain of salt... Would someone that racist really bother to tell her the service was good? I dunno... I'm kind of torn between not wanting to be dismissive, and trying to be respectful of the struggles that people face dealing with racism, but at the same time wanting to maintain a healthy skepticism about these types of click-baity stories. I can't shake the feeling that the story doesn't quite make sense.

Pretty much this.

Requires proofs.

[Salandriagado]

It would have more water of an argument if businesses just paid wait staff minimum wage to begin with. Then you could say there's no obligation.

Amazing how many people believe that myth. Waitstaff make far more than minimum wage in tips. Even if we raised it to 15, banning tipping would screw them over. If for someone reason they don't make the full minimum, the employer is required to make up the difference.

Absolutely nobody has suggested banning tipping. Just getting rid of the ability for employers to farm off their wage costs to it.

[Alvecia]

Amazing how many people believe that myth. Waitstaff make far more than minimum wage in tips. Even if we raised it to 15, banning tipping would screw them over. If for someone reason they don't make the full minimum, the employer is required to make up the difference.

Absolutely nobody has suggested banning tipping. Just getting rid of the ability for employers to farm off their wage costs to it.

Well I mean, I wasn't aware that compaies were required to make up the deficit before this thread. SO at least one person has learned something.

[Devernia]

If it's because the couple didn't want to tip, it's OK. But if the couple didn't tip solely because the waiter was black, there must be a problem.

[Ors Might]

What I'm getting here is that people can be assholes. I really don't see how this is news or worth getting upset over. Yeah, if it's real then it sucks. But it's not exactly something you can change. At best we'd just confirm what everyone already knows.

[Gauthier]

What I'm getting here is that people can be assholes. I really don't see how this is news or worth getting upset over. Yeah, if it's real then it sucks. But it's not exactly something you can change. At best we'd just confirm what everyone already knows.

It's that assholes harass people who need tips to make anywhere close to a living wage because they're easy targets who can't legally hit back.

[Arumbia67]

Absolutely nobody has suggested banning tipping. Just getting rid of the ability for employers to farm off their wage costs to it.

Well I mean, I wasn't aware that compaies were required to make up the deficit before this thread. SO at least one person has learned something.

The only ones who can legally pay under minimum wage are certain federal contractors that work with the disabled. Example: There's a local one that only pays minimum wage if you work fast, otherwise It's 3.62 an hour. The reason they can get away with this, is because you lose your benefits if you make over a certain amount.

[USS Monitor]

Seems a little... fishy.
The date isn't shown on the receipt, and looks fairly old. For all I know, this could be a radical BLM member bringing in an old receipt from 2002 or so, where racism was more likely than today, or she just wrote it herself. There seems to be no evidence of these people even being in the restaurant.
I'm aware that racism still kind of exists today, and has been a growing fire since November or so, but so have false racism claims. I don't think we should just take her word for it, 's all i'm saying. I wouldn't be surprised if she was caught next week for making the whole thing up.

In addition, tipping is entirely up to the customer, why does it matter if they said it was because she was black?
Complimentary actions of kindness can't really be defamed if that person has a bias. Just as I can't say I didn't help this lady I saw in the parking lot with her groceries because I didn't agree with her bumper sticker. She didn't ask me to help, and it was entirely my choice to be a nice person.

These people were just saying they appreciated the service, but it was against their own personal belief to tip the woman.

Boo hoo, racism still exists, pay me! It's only in a small amount of people, same with sexism, political beliefs, favourite colour for fuck's sake.
If anything, this is just rude and entirely that person's problem, but not worth sympathy attention. It's a societal problem, mates.

No one helped me pick up these papers I dropped because I believe in evolution!
(I accept cash only)

How on earth do you think racism is less likely today than in 2002? Do you even remember 2002? Were you born yet? Cos no, racism was not more common.

[Perestroikavo]

Yet another one of these. Sigh.

EDIT: Obviously not to the same extremity.

[Gauthier]

Yet another one of these. Sigh.

EDIT: Obviously not to the same extremity.

You have proof this incident is a hoax?

Also, /r/The_Donald? GFG...