Couple refuses to tip black waitress

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Sweet mother of fuck, why do people keep saying this like it's a revelation or ever in contention or adds an ounce to the conversation? You might as well say "Well, it's not potatoes."

The problem being the shitty wage system in the restaurant industry leaves people who need to work in it for a living at the mercy of self-entitled assholes who imagine themselves nobility or gods pissing on someone's day.

^This.

The problem is not the consumer, it's the industry's business model.

I'd be fine if you take away the tipping system and charge more for food. I don't mind as long as the worker gets paid fair wages.

[Shazbotdom]

9 times out of 10, these types of stories are made up so the person can get their 15 minutes of fame. And it seems to be ocuring more and more in the Digital Age.

[Targovia]

HOLY SHIT, PEOPLE CAN BE ASSHOLES?!


Jokes aside, while this is indeed reprehensible, it is by no means illegal.

[Galloism]

Sweet mother of fuck, why do people keep saying this like it's a revelation or ever in contention or adds an ounce to the conversation? You might as well say "Well, it's not potatoes."

The problem being the shitty wage system in the restaurant industry leaves people who need to work in it for a living at the mercy of self-entitled assholes who imagine themselves nobility or gods pissing on someone's day.

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

[Gauthier]

The problem being the shitty wage system in the restaurant industry leaves people who need to work in it for a living at the mercy of self-entitled assholes who imagine themselves nobility or gods pissing on someone's day.

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

Especially relevant.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The problem being the shitty wage system in the restaurant industry leaves people who need to work in it for a living at the mercy of self-entitled assholes who imagine themselves nobility or gods pissing on someone's day.

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

As someone who comes from a country in which we do not tip (although it is becoming more common down there; fucking thanks, 'Muricans), I never understood the psychology behind tipping, and now that I am reading this I guess I don't understand the motivation behind rating someone's job with a tip...

[Ethel mermania]

The problem being the shitty wage system in the restaurant industry leaves people who need to work in it for a living at the mercy of self-entitled assholes who imagine themselves nobility or gods pissing on someone's day.

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

it is not about punishing, it is about incenting good service. I do not want to give my money to someone who treats me poorly, i want to give it to someone who treats me the way i want to be treated.

[Neutraligon]

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

As someone who comes from a country in which we do not tip (although it is becoming more common down there; fucking thanks, 'Muricans), I never understood the psychology behind tipping, and now that I am reading this I guess I don't understand the motivation behind rating someone's job with a tip...

To me tipping was originally supposed to be a little extra for the waiter who did a good job, it was never intended as a punishment but more of a keep doing what you are doing. It was never supposed to go to the restaurant as a whole. It has become something else in it's entirety, something that I think of as toxic.

[Gauthier]

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

As someone who comes from a country in which we do not tip (although it is becoming more common down there; fucking thanks, 'Muricans), I never understood the psychology behind tipping, and now that I am reading this I guess I don't understand the motivation behind rating someone's job with a tip...

Of course in your country the restaurants pay living wages so tips are just icing on the cake for good service. In the states it's often the only way someone can make end's meet since restaurants are not obligated to pay even minimum wage as long as tips are expected to make up the difference.

The motivation is about indulging power trip fantasies.

[Gauthier]

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

it is not about punishing, it is about incenting good service. I do not want to give my money to someone who treats me poorly, i want to give it to someone who treats me the way i want to be treated.

Except there will always be someone who sees and uses tipping as a means of judging and punishing others, especially for a sense of superiority.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

it is not about punishing, it is about incenting good service. I do not want to give my money to someone who treats me poorly, i want to give it to someone who treats me the way i want to be treated.

See, this is what I thought tipping was about at first when I came here and was introduced to the concept: that it was a reward for exceptional service, not something that was part of their actual wages.

That it is part of their wages is a bit... I dunno... I know it makes me uncomfortable to think that someone's livelihood depends on how many tips they get as opposed to getting a tip as an "extra" income.

[Cannot think of a name]

HOLY SHIT, PEOPLE CAN BE ASSHOLES?!


Jokes aside, while this is indeed reprehensible, it is by no means illegal.

It is by no means potatoes!

[Galloism]

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

it is not about punishing, it is about incenting good service. I do not want to give my money to someone who treats me poorly, i want to give it to someone who treats me the way i want to be treated.

So, when you decide not to tip a person, the motive is to _________ that person.

[Gauthier]

it is not about punishing, it is about incenting good service. I do not want to give my money to someone who treats me poorly, i want to give it to someone who treats me the way i want to be treated.

See, this is what I thought tipping was about at first when I came here and was introduced to the concept: that it was a reward for exceptional service, not something that was part of their actual wages.

That it is part of their wages is a bit... I dunno... I know it makes me uncomfortable to think that someone's livelihood depends on how many tips they get as opposed to getting a tip as an "extra" income.

And women in the restaurant industry are more likely pressured to put up with outright sexual harassment just to make enough tips for the day. It's a vicious circle.

[Gauthier]

it is not about punishing, it is about incenting good service. I do not want to give my money to someone who treats me poorly, i want to give it to someone who treats me the way i want to be treated.

So, when you decide not to tip a person, the motive is to _________ that person.

REWARD!

[Galloism]

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

Especially relevant.

Especially so, yes.

[Neutraligon]

it is not about punishing, it is about incenting good service. I do not want to give my money to someone who treats me poorly, i want to give it to someone who treats me the way i want to be treated.

So, when you decide not to tip a person, the motive is to _________ that person.

If the system where like what I described where tipping is only for very good service it would simply mean that I did not think the service was god enough that they should get that extra bit. It does not say that their service was bad, just that it was average. I have tipped in foreign countries for excellent service, even though I normally don't tip abroad.

[USS Monitor]

The problem being the shitty wage system in the restaurant industry leaves people who need to work in it for a living at the mercy of self-entitled assholes who imagine themselves nobility or gods pissing on someone's day.

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

I'm a mod. Of course I want to punish people.

More seriously, I think as long as the service charge is a reasonable amount, calculating it automatically is doing me a favor because it means I don't have to do math. Otherwise you get tipped some random amount that is more likely to be determined by which bills I have in my pocket than how good the service was.

[The United States of the South Pole]

My father is a bit of an asshole cheapskate with waiters, I'm a bit of a cheapskate myself. I used to go very embarrassed when I ate out with him and he tried to haggle something out or gave 3% as tip, now It's just a stink eye. I feel for the waiters, and I do think the government should do something about US's retarded tipping norms. But I'm also lean libertarian on most things, I believe it's the couples money and that this is really getting too much attention. I believe the waitress or manager should have been able to kick them out with no government intervention nor large media attention. I've seen this a few times before, once with a black customer and a white waitress, once with a mexican man at a hibachi restaurant served by another mexican. I can't die deny it's race based, but I do believe these events are overblown.

[Frenline Delpha]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38561883

Reading stories like this makes me lose faith in humanity.

Why do we even tip in the United States? After all, European countries pay their employees a living wage. Why can't our resturaunts?

Why are people such scumbags sometimes?
Why virginia?

Because America's a crappy country.

Simplest explanation I can give.

Tou know what, I don't really need to say anything. I'm just gonna let you figure out where you went wrong on your own.

[Salus Maior]

That's really messed up of them.

That being said, these people should receive decent wages.

[Salus Maior]

Because America's a crappy country.

Simplest explanation I can give.

No, certain areas of America are crappy.

Just like certain areas of anywhere are crappy.

Where I live, this sort of thing doesn't happen. It's pretty diverse where I live.

[Giovenith]

A little dated, but still relevant.

Those who support tipping as a structure, especially, should read that in its entirety and ask "is that me"?

it is not about punishing, it is about incenting good service. I do not want to give my money to someone who treats me poorly, i want to give it to someone who treats me the way i want to be treated.

And some people will refuse to pay no matter how good the service was simply because they don't feel like it. Congratulations, you've created a system where hard work is easily rewarded with a big fat middle finger. Hope you weren't planning on using the whole "just work hard and your life will be fine" speech any time soon.

If your service is so very bad that you don't feel like they deserve pay, you can complain to the boss. That's how every other service works, because we live in the real world where people are greedy and depending on people to just voluntarily give over money that they're not obligated to and indeed when it's more beneficial for them not to is a recipe for disaster. Trusting people to do the right thing when there's no consequence to doing otherwise is not a system that can defended as "fair."

[Lavochkin]

it is not about punishing, it is about incenting good service. I do not want to give my money to someone who treats me poorly, i want to give it to someone who treats me the way i want to be treated.

And some people will refuse to pay no matter how good the service was simply because they don't feel like it. Congratulations, you've created a system where hard work is easily rewarded with a big fat middle finger. Hope you weren't planning on using the whole "just work hard and your life will be fine" speech any time soon.

If your service is so very bad that you don't feel like they deserve pay, you can complain to the boss. That's how every other service works, because we live in the real world where people are greedy and depending on people to just voluntarily give over money that they're not obligated to and indeed when it's more beneficial for them not to is a recipe for disaster. Trusting people to do the right thing when there's no consequence to doing otherwise is not a system that can defended as "fair."

Then again, if tips were abolished and no legislation was created to replace it, waiters would actually be earning less money since a loophole allows tipped workers to earn below minimum wage.

And increasing the minimum wage would just increase the prices of every other good, which wouldn't just hurt tipped-employees but everyone else as well.

[Galloism]

And some people will refuse to pay no matter how good the service was simply because they don't feel like it. Congratulations, you've created a system where hard work is easily rewarded with a big fat middle finger. Hope you weren't planning on using the whole "just work hard and your life will be fine" speech any time soon.

If your service is so very bad that you don't feel like they deserve pay, you can complain to the boss. That's how every other service works, because we live in the real world where people are greedy and depending on people to just voluntarily give over money that they're not obligated to and indeed when it's more beneficial for them not to is a recipe for disaster. Trusting people to do the right thing when there's no consequence to doing otherwise is not a system that can defended as "fair."

Then again, if tips were abolished and no legislation was created to replace it, waiters would actually be earning less money since a loophole allows tipped workers to earn below minimum wage.

And increasing the minimum wage would just increase the prices of every other good, which wouldn't just hurt tipped-employees but everyone else as well.

That's not a loophole. There's a tip credit that depends on actual tip earnings to be used.

If insufficient tips are given to meet minimum wage, the employer must, by law, make up the difference.

Also, labor doesn't make up 100% of the cost of a good. Doubling the minimum wage means an average price increase of 4.3%.

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