Couple refuses to tip black waitress

[Yorkers]

In the scenario described, they clearly did nothing to actually earn that tip. Thus they did not deserve it. Unless you believe need is all that's required to deserve something, of course.

They brought you food, cleared your plates, took your order, etc, etc. If they didnt suck your dick while they're at it, thats too bad for you.

Have you worked in the restaurant business ever? You are rarely tipped individually, unless you're an exceptional waiter at a five star restaurant. Most of the time, your tips are collected by the manager, and then they are distributed between the employees at the end of each day, and they are recorded for tax purposes.

It's literally bullshit that makes eating out more expensive, and the waitress gets what, like $10 more than she would have?

[Collectivist Germania]

Yeah, no wonder Hillary and her campaign got so little airtime.

Threadjacking for a partisan cheap shot. Class to be expected from the incoming administration.

Seriously? You took the bait?

smh

[Hirota]

Yeah, no wonder Hillary and her campaign got so little airtime.

Threadjacking for a partisan cheap shot.

You should be proud Gauth, people are learning from you!

[Devernia]

Yes, the "Great service don't tip black people" thing was actually racist, but does it really matter if you get tipped or not? It shouldn't be mandatory nor banned. Leave it as it is; optional.

[Alvecia]

Yes, the "Great service don't tip black people" thing was actually racist, but does it really matter if you get tipped or not? It shouldn't be mandatory nor banned. Leave it as it is; optional.

The issue is that tipping is optional, but it's also considered part of a server's wages.
Imagine if you were being "paid" the legal minimum wage, but half of it was optional, not guaranteed.

[Devernia]

Yes, the "Great service don't tip black people" thing was actually racist, but does it really matter if you get tipped or not? It shouldn't be mandatory nor banned. Leave it as it is; optional.

The issue is that tipping is optional, but it's also considered part of a server's wages.
Imagine if you were being "paid" the legal minimum wage, but half of it was optional, not guaranteed.

OK, that's weird. In that case, I stand it as optional anyway. You can't force people to give money to you; that's extortion.

[Alvecia]

The issue is that tipping is optional, but it's also considered part of a server's wages.
Imagine if you were being "paid" the legal minimum wage, but half of it was optional, not guaranteed.

OK, that's weird. In that case, I stand it as optional anyway. You can't force people to give money to you; that's extortion.

I agree that tipping should remain optional, but waiters should be paid properly as well.

[Australian rePublic]

I'm not a fan of North America's tipping system, but as long as it exists, I feel incredibly sorry for this poor lady doing such a difficult job, and only have these idiots refusing to pay her wage

[San Regada]

Is there something wrong with picking and choosing who I want to give an extra portion of my earned money.

[Alvecia]

Is there something wrong with picking and choosing who I want to give an extra portion of my earned money.

It's not illegal, but were you to do so on the basis of skin colour that would makes you a bit of a dick.

[San Regada]

Is there something wrong with picking and choosing who I want to give an extra portion of my earned money.

It's not illegal, but were you to do so on the basis of skin colour that would makes you a bit of a dick.

Not dickish, if someone was to, for example, have a bad perception of people of colour due to previous experiences.

I love how all these BLM advocates are going around screaming "RACISM1111" but no one knows the context behind the note.

[Alvecia]

It's not illegal, but were you to do so on the basis of skin colour that would makes you a bit of a dick.

Not dickish, if someone was to, for example, have a bad perception of people of colour due to previous experiences.

Nah, still kind of dickish. Just means you're also pretty bad at recognising that the actions of a few don't reflect upon the many.

[San Regada]

Not dickish, if someone was to, for example, have a bad perception of people of colour due to previous experiences.

Nah, still kind of dickish. Just means you're also pretty bad at recognising that the actions of a few don't reflect upon the many.

Debatable, depends on state of mind.

Oh hey I came from a warzone where i saw my entire family get slaughtered by muslims and my village was attacked repeatedly and thats all I saw and grew up with, now that i've moved out of the country and i still see muslims i do not like them but hey its my fault because im bad at recognising things its not like they spent the past 15 years trying to blow me up or anything, so this muslim waiter served me food and i didn't tip her because shes muslim, im just being dickish and thats the whole truth.

[Alvecia]

Nah, still kind of dickish. Just means you're also pretty bad at recognising that the actions of a few don't reflect upon the many.

Debatable, depends on state of mind.

Oh hey I came from a warzone where i saw my entire family get slaughtered by muslims and my village was attacked repeatedly and thats all I saw and grew up with, now that i've moved out of the country and i still see muslims i do not like them but hey its my fault because im bad at recognising things its not like they spent the past 15 years trying to blow me up or anything, so this muslim waiter served me food and i didn't tip her because shes muslim, im just being dickish and thats the whole truth.

That's a reason, sure, but it's not an excuse.

[San Regada]

Debatable, depends on state of mind.

Oh hey I came from a warzone where i saw my entire family get slaughtered by muslims and my village was attacked repeatedly and thats all I saw and grew up with, now that i've moved out of the country and i still see muslims i do not like them but hey its my fault because im bad at recognising things its not like they spent the past 15 years trying to blow me up or anything, so this muslim waiter served me food and i didn't tip her because shes muslim, im just being dickish and thats the whole truth.

That's a reason, sure, but it's not an excuse.

But now that's implying that "we dont tip black people" is an excuse not a reason.

[Alvecia]

That's a reason, sure, but it's not an excuse.

But now that's implying that "we dont tip black people" is an excuse not a reason.

It's neither, it's a statement.

[Drittes Deutsches Reich]

Yes, the "Great service don't tip black people" thing was actually racist, but does it really matter if you get tipped or not? It shouldn't be mandatory nor banned. Leave it as it is; optional.

The issue is that tipping is optional, but it's also considered part of a server's wages.
Imagine if you were being "paid" the legal minimum wage, but half of it was optional, not guaranteed.

In general, yes, that is a problem. The issue at hand, however, is racism, and actually paying people minimum wage for the work they do, while a good thing on its own, doesn't address that issue.

[Alvecia]

The issue is that tipping is optional, but it's also considered part of a server's wages.
Imagine if you were being "paid" the legal minimum wage, but half of it was optional, not guaranteed.

In general, yes, that is a problem. The issue at hand, however, is racism, and actually paying people minimum wage for the work they do, while a good thing on its own, doesn't address that issue.

True, but I was specifically addressing the part of Devernia's response asking if it really matters if you get tipped or not.
For waiters, it does, for the reasons discussed.

[MERIZoC]

You pay for service, bad or not, in everything else.

Your convenience is not more important than someone else's livelihood.

And we were not served. At the two hour mark we left having not been asked for our order. And that isn't about convenience, that is about someone in the service industry failing at their job. A tip is supposed to tell a waiter they did a good/bad job, well that waiter did a shit job and I see no reason to tip them for that shit job.

If someone does a poor job, say, checking out your groceries at a supermarket, you dont go to the manager and demand their pay be docked to below the minimum wage. Why should this be any different?

[Galloism]

And we were not served. At the two hour mark we left having not been asked for our order. And that isn't about convenience, that is about someone in the service industry failing at their job. A tip is supposed to tell a waiter they did a good/bad job, well that waiter did a shit job and I see no reason to tip them for that shit job.

If someone does a poor job, say, checking out your groceries at a supermarket, you dont go to the manager and demand their pay be docked to below the minimum wage. Why should this be any different?

Technically, a waiter/waitress can never make less than minimum wage, as management is required to make up the difference if insufficient tips are received.

[Neutraligon]

And we were not served. At the two hour mark we left having not been asked for our order. And that isn't about convenience, that is about someone in the service industry failing at their job. A tip is supposed to tell a waiter they did a good/bad job, well that waiter did a shit job and I see no reason to tip them for that shit job.

If someone does a poor job, say, checking out your groceries at a supermarket, you dont go to the manager and demand their pay be docked to below the minimum wage. Why should this be any different?

Because the two types of services are different, namely in that I don't tip the people checking out my groceries, whereas I do tip waters. Two very different jobs get two very different treatments. So once again, why should I tip someone for failing to their job so completely? A tip is supposed to be a marker of how well a person did as a server, this person failed, and so they get no tips. The funny thing, my family and I normally give pretty large tips.

Oh and Funny thing, I don't go to the manager of a grocery store for slow service, so long as they are actually trying to ring me up. I would only go to the manager if they were being rude, or not doing their job. But then once again, I don't tip people at the grocery store...hell there isn't even a jar there for me to do so.

[Auristania]

USA menus are lies. Menus say such and such is the price and it is a lie.

Diner Bosses refuse to pay Workers' wages. Customers have to pay Workers' wages.

It's Bullshit! The price on the ****ing menu ought to be the price you gotta pay.
That's logical Captain.

Here's a better plan. The price on the menu does NOT include the Tax and there is a Government tax Inspector in every single diner to collect the tax.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38561883

Reading stories like this makes me lose faith in humanity.

Why do we even tip in the United States? After all, European countries pay their employees a living wage. Why can't our resturaunts?

Why are people such scumbags sometimes?
Why virginia?

I don't see how is this a bad thing, at all.

I mean they're assholes, but it's not illegal to be an asshole.

Now, there is an issue with the tip system, but that's not a problem of the consumer, but of the business model restaurants are built upon.

[Cannot think of a name]

I mean they're assholes, but it's not illegal to be an asshole.

Sweet mother of fuck, why do people keep saying this like it's a revelation or ever in contention or adds an ounce to the conversation? You might as well say "Well, it's not potatoes."

[Gauthier]

I mean they're assholes, but it's not illegal to be an asshole.

Sweet mother of fuck, why do people keep saying this like it's a revelation or ever in contention or adds an ounce to the conversation? You might as well say "Well, it's not potatoes."

The problem being the shitty wage system in the restaurant industry leaves people who need to work in it for a living at the mercy of self-entitled assholes who imagine themselves nobility or gods pissing on someone's day.