Couple refuses to tip black waitress

[USS Monitor]

The trouble with there being so much fake news around, is that after a while even stories that may be true start looking like clickbait.

Its from the BBC.

It's hard to fact check, and they're reporting that this story is being circulated and talking about the people offering their support to the waitress, not saying they've confirmed it's for real.

[Frank Zipper]

The trouble with there being so much fake news around, is that after a while even stories that may be true start looking like clickbait.

Its from the BBC.

That you reply with that suggests to me you have not understood my post.

[Lamadia 2017]

An awful couple with an awfully skewed mindset, and clearly sad & lonely lives.
But tipping should not be compulsory, nor is it. If people want to feel this way, as disgraceful as it is, they shouldn't be forced to think otherwise- that is when we step into the Orwellian, and that it when we start to see some mindsets being valued above others.
It reminds me of the bakery which refused to make a wedding cake for a gay marriage: They refused to do so based on their position on homosexuality, it is something I disagree with, nevertheless they retain the right to refuse, and to hold their views. The same thus applies here.

[Arachaea]

Absolutely appalling behaviour by the couple.

Though tipped staff should have the same minimum wage, or a Scandinavian-style collective bargaining system should be set up.

[MERIZoC]

Good to know you despise the working class.

Why should I pay for bad service where I did not get served (or even asked what my order is) for 2 hours, despite trying to get the attention of the server and the store not being over busy.

You pay for service, bad or not, in everything else.

Your convenience is not more important than someone else's livelihood.

[Guy]

Disgusting. We can't stop this sort of behavior but it's easy to condemn.

It's amazing, an NSG thread where most people are reasonable.

People have a legal right not to tip. Although given the reliance of those in the hospitality industry in the US on tips to make a living, it's kind of an asshole move.

As others have said, it would be ideal if the employer simply paid their employees a decent wage.

What's far, far worse is refusing to tip someone on the basis of their race/ethnicity.

Several people here have said that it's not illegal. That might be the case. Having said that, I think there is a good reason to make it unlawful, even if not criminal. It would be unlawful in many countries.

A single racist insult open to civil suit? Damages would be nominal at best.

Doesn't have to be a tort for damages. The default could be conciliation, for example, or say attending an educational program.

[Katganistan]

They have a right to be utter dickbags.

We have a right to ridicule them for being utter dickbags.

You want wait staff to have a living wage? First, raise the minimum wage (as is happening, and as has been resisted like hell by conservatives). Second, require restaurateurs to actually pay them that wage instead of a lower wage that guilts people into making up the difference. (Cue OH MY PROFITS!!! PAYING THEM WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AND GIVING THEM HEALTH BENEFITS WILL RUIN ME!!!! whines.)

OH BUT OUR MEALS OUT WILL COST MORE.

It's a fucking luxury. We LIKE to eat out, but we don't NEED to eat out. We can cook our own meals if we're worried about how much more it will cost.

[Ors Might]

Why should I pay for bad service where I did not get served (or even asked what my order is) for 2 hours, despite trying to get the attention of the server and the store not being over busy.

You pay for service, bad or not, in everything else.

Your convenience is not more important than someone else's livelihood.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here. The last thing I want to do is misunderstand you. But are you suggesting that someone is obligated to give something to one that doesn't deserve it?

[MERIZoC]

You pay for service, bad or not, in everything else.

Your convenience is not more important than someone else's livelihood.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here. The last thing I want to do is misunderstand you. But are you suggesting that someone is obligated to give something to one that doesn't deserve it?

When did I say they dont deserve it?

[Ors Might]

Please correct me if I'm wrong here. The last thing I want to do is misunderstand you. But are you suggesting that someone is obligated to give something to one that doesn't deserve it?

When did I say they dont deserve it?

In the scenario described, they clearly did nothing to actually earn that tip. Thus they did not deserve it. Unless you believe need is all that's required to deserve something, of course.

[Herargon]

Why do we even tip in the United States? After all, European countries pay their employees a living wage. Why can't our resturaunts?

People tip outside the US, too.

Not really. Only when there's extremelly excellent service, tipping is done, and not something like 20% but more like 10%. Heck, it is less, at around 5% in my country and very rare.

I wouldn't tip — ever. Unless above is the case. And no, I want to pay just the price. Not that someone comes up and says 'hey bro you need to pay more gimme'. That feels like thievery and lying, to be honest.

[Guy]

People tip outside the US, too.

Not really. Only when there's extremelly excellent service, tipping is done, and not something like 20% but more like 10%. Heck, it is less, at around 5% in my country and very rare.

I wouldn't tip — ever. Unless above is the case. And no, I want to pay just the price. Not that someone comes up and says 'hey bro you need to pay more gimme'. That feels like thievery and lying, to be honest.

The US is not the only country with quasi-compulsory tipping. It's an awful system, but it's simply factually wrong to suggest it only exists in the US.

[Internationalist Bastard]

They have a right to be utter dickbags.

We have a right to ridicule them for being utter dickbags.

You want wait staff to have a living wage? First, raise the minimum wage (as is happening, and as has been resisted like hell by conservatives). Second, require restaurateurs to actually pay them that wage instead of a lower wage that guilts people into making up the difference. (Cue OH MY PROFITS!!! PAYING THEM WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AND GIVING THEM HEALTH BENEFITS WILL RUIN ME!!!! whines.)

OH BUT OUR MEALS OUT WILL COST MORE.

It's a fucking luxury. We LIKE to eat out, but we don't NEED to eat out. We can cook our own meals if we're worried about how much more it will cost.

B-but, it should be a job teenagers have after school, it's not like people take such jobs as a primary source of income do to their not being a lot of jobs for uneducated Americans

[MERIZoC]

When did I say they dont deserve it?

In the scenario described, they clearly did nothing to actually earn that tip. Thus they did not deserve it. Unless you believe need is all that's required to deserve something, of course.

They brought you food, cleared your plates, took your order, etc, etc. If they didnt suck your dick while they're at it, thats too bad for you.

[Ors Might]

In the scenario described, they clearly did nothing to actually earn that tip. Thus they did not deserve it. Unless you believe need is all that's required to deserve something, of course.

They brought you food, cleared your plates, took your order, etc, etc. If they didnt suck your dick while they're at it, thats too bad for you.

Did you read Neutraligon's post? They barely brought the food in the first place. And, correct me if I'm wrong, don't people typically tip for good service? I'd tip if the waiter/waitress was competent. But this was clearly not the case. I don't believe in rewarding piss poor service.

[Katganistan]

They have a right to be utter dickbags.

We have a right to ridicule them for being utter dickbags.

You want wait staff to have a living wage? First, raise the minimum wage (as is happening, and as has been resisted like hell by conservatives). Second, require restaurateurs to actually pay them that wage instead of a lower wage that guilts people into making up the difference. (Cue OH MY PROFITS!!! PAYING THEM WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AND GIVING THEM HEALTH BENEFITS WILL RUIN ME!!!! whines.)

OH BUT OUR MEALS OUT WILL COST MORE.

It's a fucking luxury. We LIKE to eat out, but we don't NEED to eat out. We can cook our own meals if we're worried about how much more it will cost.

B-but, it should be a job teenagers have after school, it's not like people take such jobs as a primary source of income do to their not being a lot of jobs for uneducated Americans

The vast majority of waitstaff I see are over 21. Then again, they aren't in McDonald's and such.

And I have seen folks who are well into their 60s and even 70s waiting tables too. You can't tell me they're doing it for the fun of it -- they're doing it to survive.

Pay them a living wage, ffs.

[Internationalist Bastard]

B-but, it should be a job teenagers have after school, it's not like people take such jobs as a primary source of income do to their not being a lot of jobs for uneducated Americans

The vast majority of waitstaff I see are over 21. Then again, they aren't in McDonald's and such.

And I have seen folks who are well into their 60s and even 70s waiting tables too. You can't tell me they're doing it for the fun of it -- they're doing it to survive.

Pay them a living wage, ffs.

Of course. I've seen more then my share of McDonalds entirely staffed by adults. It's highly unfair to look at them and say they should find a better paying job.

[Crockerland]

They brought you food, cleared your plates, took your order, etc, etc. If they didnt suck your dick while they're at it, thats too bad for you.

Did you read Neutraligon's post?

Reading would be a violation of his anarcho-primitivist beliefs.

[Ors Might]

Did you read Neutraligon's post?

Reading would be a violation of his anarcho-primitivist beliefs.

What I want to know is how one can be an anarchist and still claim that one is obligated to give away their resources (in this case wealth). It may be my youthful naiveté talking but that sounds awfully similar to a statist talking point.

[Traxa]

I don't think anybody's claimed that the law's been broken. Just that, if this story is true, those particular people are a couple of absolute, grade-a cunts.

Something doesn't need to be illegal to be a dick move.

People being grade a cunts shouldnt even be news

[Southerly Gentleman]

I don't think anybody's claimed that the law's been broken. Just that, if this story is true, those particular people are a couple of absolute, grade-a cunts.

Something doesn't need to be illegal to be a dick move.

People being grade a cunts shouldnt even be news

Yeah, no wonder Hillary and her campaign got so little airtime.

[Neutraligon]

Why should I pay for bad service where I did not get served (or even asked what my order is) for 2 hours, despite trying to get the attention of the server and the store not being over busy.

You pay for service, bad or not, in everything else.

Your convenience is not more important than someone else's livelihood.

And we were not served. At the two hour mark we left having not been asked for our order. And that isn't about convenience, that is about someone in the service industry failing at their job. A tip is supposed to tell a waiter they did a good/bad job, well that waiter did a shit job and I see no reason to tip them for that shit job.

In the scenario described, they clearly did nothing to actually earn that tip. Thus they did not deserve it. Unless you believe need is all that's required to deserve something, of course.

They brought you food, cleared your plates, took your order, etc, etc. If they didnt suck your dick while they're at it, thats too bad for you.

I think you didn't read what I wrote.

[Gauthier]

People being grade a cunts shouldnt even be news

Yeah, no wonder Hillary and her campaign got so little airtime.

Threadjacking for a partisan cheap shot. Class to be expected from the incoming administration.

[Yorkers]

They have a right to be utter dickbags.

We have a right to ridicule them for being utter dickbags.

You want wait staff to have a living wage? First, raise the minimum wage (as is happening, and as has been resisted like hell by conservatives). Second, require restaurateurs to actually pay them that wage instead of a lower wage that guilts people into making up the difference. (Cue OH MY PROFITS!!! PAYING THEM WHAT THEY ARE WORTH AND GIVING THEM HEALTH BENEFITS WILL RUIN ME!!!! whines.)

OH BUT OUR MEALS OUT WILL COST MORE.

It's a fucking luxury. We LIKE to eat out, but we don't NEED to eat out. We can cook our own meals if we're worried about how much more it will cost.

B-but, it should be a job teenagers have after school, it's not like people take such jobs as a primary source of income do to their not being a lot of jobs for uneducated Americans

In high school, I worked a number of jobs, but one of them was at a big box retail store (think Target or Walmart). It was fairly depressing to see the lifers there.

[Yorkers]

Yeah, no wonder Hillary and her campaign got so little airtime.

Threadjacking for a partisan cheap shot. Class to be expected from the incoming administration.

You're not the one to lecture people on class.