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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:38 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Leftists would be just as mad if this happened to their side.

Maybe they should focus on rooting out Islamic and communist opinions. Those are, after all, the first and second most terrorism-prone ideologies, respectively.

I've said this many times before, but we really do need a Pinochet.
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PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Val Halla » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:38 am

Pantuxia wrote:Leftists would be just as mad if this happened to their side.

Or maybe you don't actually know what happened ;)

Philjia wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Prevent is something that we all do. At least that's what we were told...


I thought we just had to learn about British Values™?

Nope, we did prevent also.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:39 am

Val Halla wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Leftists would be just as mad if this happened to their side.

Or maybe you don't actually know what happened ;)

You realize I'm the OP, right?
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PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Gondolaulus » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:40 am

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Gondolaulus wrote:Yes but that does not justify what has happened to the kid.


So how is showing him that Muslims are people too bad?

Because that is not what the boy might have thought in the first place, you are assuming things.

The boy stated that

1) Muslim women shouldn't allow to wear the niqab
2) Muslims should leave the country

He never stated, as far as the article goes, that Muslims are not people. Stop making things up.
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Postby Val Halla » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:40 am

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Val Halla wrote:Or maybe you don't actually know what happened ;)

You realize I'm the OP, right?

Does that mean you have a complete understanding of what happened? Nope.
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Postby Philjia » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:41 am

Val Halla wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Leftists would be just as mad if this happened to their side.

Or maybe you don't actually know what happened ;)

Philjia wrote:
I thought we just had to learn about British Values™?

Nope, we did prevent also.


I don't think we did it. Maybe you've all just been highlighted as terror risks.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:41 am

Val Halla wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:You realize I'm the OP, right?

Does that mean you have a complete understanding of what happened? Nope.

No, you're just doing mental gymnastics to justify what happened because it only happened to the side you dislike.
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PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
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Postby The Rich Port » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:41 am

Pantuxia wrote:Leftists would be just as mad if this happened to their side.


If he were being taught to be Nazi, no shit.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:41 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Leftists would be just as mad if this happened to their side.


If he were being taught to be Nazi, no shit.

Exactly.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:43 am

So let's run down what happened. Individual expresses opinions Re: Islam in the UK. Individual meets with members of the Islamic community. Individual changes his opinions after doing so.

I am not seeing a whole lot of indoctrination or punishment here.

Honestly, based on the thread title and on the opinions expressed in this thread it feels like people want segregation. Because that way they can "other" the Islamic community and indoctrinate people to see them as different, scary and generally a threat.
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Postby Val Halla » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:44 am

Philjia wrote:
Val Halla wrote:Or maybe you don't actually know what happened ;)


Nope, we did prevent also.


I don't think we did it. Maybe you've all just been highlighted as terror risks.

No greater risk to Western society than a peaceful, pacifist transgirl from the suburbs, huh?

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If he were being taught to be Nazi, no shit.

Exactly.

I mean it's not like the last murder of an MP was from a far right extremist...

Oh yeah
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:45 am

Vassenor wrote:So let's run down what happened. Individual expresses opinions Re: Islam in the UK. Individual meets with members of the Islamic community. Individual changes his opinions after doing so.

I am not seeing a whole lot of indoctrination or punishment here.

Honestly, based on the thread title and on the opinions expressed in this thread it feels like people want segregation. Because that way they can "other" the Islamic community and indoctrinate people to see them as different, scary and generally a threat.

No, he didn't just "meet" with Muslims, he was forced to, by the state, because he expressed contrarian opinions.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby The Rich Port » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:45 am

Val Halla wrote:
Philjia wrote:
I don't think we did it. Maybe you've all just been highlighted as terror risks.

No greater risk to Western society than a peaceful, pacifist transgirl from the suburbs, huh?

Pantuxia wrote:Exactly.

I mean it's not like the last murder of an MP was from a far right extremist...

Oh yeah


Ya know what, this guy has "Edgelord Extraordinaire" in his sig.

I don't think we should be taking him seriously.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:46 am

Vassenor wrote:Honestly, based on the thread title and on the opinions expressed in this thread it feels like people want segregation. Because that way they can "other" the Islamic community and indoctrinate people to see them as different, scary and generally a threat.

Well, Islam is a threat. Not just to the West, but the whole world.
I support Open Borders for Israel.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:46 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Val Halla wrote:No greater risk to Western society than a peaceful, pacifist transgirl from the suburbs, huh?


I mean it's not like the last murder of an MP was from a far right extremist...

Oh yeah


Ya know what, this guy has "Edgelord Extraordinaire" in his sig.

I don't think we should be taking him seriously.

That's mainly just poking fun at myself because my views are quite edgy.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
>conservatism

Islamic nations tend to be right wing.

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Postby Gondolaulus » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:47 am

Vassenor wrote:So let's run down what happened. Individual expresses opinions Re: Islam in the UK. Individual meets with members of the Islamic community. Individual changes his opinions after doing so.

I am not seeing a whole lot of indoctrination or punishment here.

Because he is forced to do so after stating an opinion which is not punishable.

It is the government doing an act of enforcement for someone, on the pretext of ''preventing terrorism'', while according to the article the boy has not been planning any terrorist attacks in so far.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:47 am

Pantuxia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Honestly, based on the thread title and on the opinions expressed in this thread it feels like people want segregation. Because that way they can "other" the Islamic community and indoctrinate people to see them as different, scary and generally a threat.

Well, Islam is a threat. Not just to the West, but the whole world.

I didn't know that roughly 1.6 billion people were all threats to human society. Enlightening.
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Postby PaNTuXIa » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:48 am

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:Well, Islam is a threat. Not just to the West, but the whole world.

I didn't know that roughly 1.6 billion people were all threats to human society. Enlightening.

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PaNTuXIa wrote:>swedish
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:48 am

Gondolaulus wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So let's run down what happened. Individual expresses opinions Re: Islam in the UK. Individual meets with members of the Islamic community. Individual changes his opinions after doing so.

I am not seeing a whole lot of indoctrination or punishment here.

Because he is forced to do so after stating an opinion which is not punishable.

It is the government doing an act of enforcement for someone, on the pretext of ''preventing terrorism'', while according to the article the boy has not been planning any terrorist attacks in so far.


So I take it you are also just as against the idea that Muslim immigrants need to be educated away from "anti-western" ideas?
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Postby Jamzmania » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:48 am

Pantuxia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So let's run down what happened. Individual expresses opinions Re: Islam in the UK. Individual meets with members of the Islamic community. Individual changes his opinions after doing so.

I am not seeing a whole lot of indoctrination or punishment here.

Honestly, based on the thread title and on the opinions expressed in this thread it feels like people want segregation. Because that way they can "other" the Islamic community and indoctrinate people to see them as different, scary and generally a threat.

No, he didn't just "meet" with Muslims, he was forced to, by the state, because he expressed contrarian opinions.

Not to mention he eventually ended up as a """""volunteer""""" at a "multi-faith project."
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Postby Jamzmania » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:48 am

Vassenor wrote:
Gondolaulus wrote:Because he is forced to do so after stating an opinion which is not punishable.

It is the government doing an act of enforcement for someone, on the pretext of ''preventing terrorism'', while according to the article the boy has not been planning any terrorist attacks in so far.


So I take it you are also just as against the idea that Muslim immigrants need to be educated away from "anti-western" ideas?

We just need to not let them in in the first place.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:49 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Pantuxia wrote:No, he didn't just "meet" with Muslims, he was forced to, by the state, because he expressed contrarian opinions.

Not to mention he eventually ended up as a """""volunteer""""" at a "multi-faith project."


Loving the scarequotes.
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Postby Gondolaulus » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:49 am

Vassenor wrote:
Gondolaulus wrote:Because he is forced to do so after stating an opinion which is not punishable.

It is the government doing an act of enforcement for someone, on the pretext of ''preventing terrorism'', while according to the article the boy has not been planning any terrorist attacks in so far.


So I take it you are also just as against the idea that Muslim immigrants need to be educated away from "anti-western" ideas?

As long as they do not pose a threat to the safety of others, then yes.

EDIT: But once a person does actively pose a threat ie calling for violence on others, planning terrorist attacks and other punishable things by law then this method is a good one.
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ANTI: Salafism, Wahhabism, Daesh, interventionism.

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Postby Jamzmania » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:49 am

Vassenor wrote:
Jamzmania wrote:Not to mention he eventually ended up as a """""volunteer""""" at a "multi-faith project."


Loving the scarequotes.

Yes, they really get the point across, don't they?
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:50 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Loving the scarequotes.

Yes, they really get the point across, don't they?


The point that you're engaging in hyperbole, yes.
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