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Which world faith will last longest?

Christianity-Roman Catholic
21
15%
Christianity-Protestant or Other
26
19%
Judaism
7
5%
Islam
10
7%
Hinduism
8
6%
Buddhism
7
5%
Satanism
2
1%
Atheism
41
30%
Other
16
12%
 
Total votes : 138

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Postby Vesser » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:34 pm

Maurepas wrote:
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HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


Agnosism; all of the others, including Athiesm, can be disproven

The only way to disprove Atheism is for there to be a real God...

So...Agnostics somehow believe in God? :blink:


Agnostics believe that there is no way to prove either way, so they're playing it safe. If there is a god, they're not denouncing him. If there isn't, they're not denouncing Science.

You can't disprove religion because you can't see God. You can't disprove Science because there is to much to back it up.

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Postby Maurepas » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:35 pm

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HunterBradleyLand wrote:I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.

Sorry to rain on your parade, but Atheism isn't a religion, nor a faith.

Nor will people necessarily accept logical facts either...

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Postby JJ Place » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:35 pm

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HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


All Aboard! :palm:

Atheism is the lack of Faith. You can't stomp out Ideas and Beliefs. Something humans have tried time and time again, and failed at.


Athieism isnt a religon. a religon is a belife in somthing athiest dont belive in anything its like saying scientology is a religon


it's more of a belief; Athiesm is the rejection of religion, coupled with the belief that there is no real 'God' figure; at least that's true Athiesm. It's a lot more complicated than that; yet, there's just something about Athiesm that lingers as a 'belief'; even if that belief is the belief that other beliefs are incorrect.
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Postby Braaainsss » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:36 pm

2nd PLT wrote:But I think Hinduism will last longest.
They are the oldest religion still around and they don't piss anyone off to much. The others (Atheists included) will probably kill each other off, while Hinduism just sits back and watches the show.


You've missed all the religious violence in India, I take it?

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Postby Collective Systems » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:36 pm

Maurepas wrote:Nor will people necessarily accept logical facts either...

Wait, what?

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Postby Maurepas » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:39 pm

Vesser wrote:
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HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


Agnosism; all of the others, including Athiesm, can be disproven

The only way to disprove Atheism is for there to be a real God...

So...Agnostics somehow believe in God? :blink:


Agnostics believe that there is no way to prove either way, so they're playing it safe. If there is a god, they're not denouncing him. If there isn't, they're not denouncing Science.

You can't disprove religion because you can't see God. You can't disprove Science because there is to much to back it up.

Phrase "Innocent until proven Guilty" comes to mind, God is nonexistent until proven otherwise, Atheism in a nutshell...

But, the point is, that in order for Atheism to be disproven, God must exist, and if God exists, all belief systems that include his non-existing would be disproven as well, therefore, I would think, unless Agnosticism accepts that his existing is the only possibility, that Agnosticism would be itself disproven as well...

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Postby Maurepas » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:40 pm

JJ Place wrote:
Kreigan wrote:
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HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


All Aboard! :palm:

Atheism is the lack of Faith. You can't stomp out Ideas and Beliefs. Something humans have tried time and time again, and failed at.


Athieism isnt a religon. a religon is a belife in somthing athiest dont belive in anything its like saying scientology is a religon


it's more of a belief; Athiesm is the rejection of religion, coupled with the belief that there is no real 'God' figure; at least that's true Athiesm. It's a lot more complicated than that; yet, there's just something about Athiesm that lingers as a 'belief'; even if that belief is the belief that other beliefs are incorrect.

That theory has been presented here many a time...and discredited

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Postby JJ Place » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:40 pm

Vesser wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
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HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


Agnosism; all of the others, including Athiesm, can be disproven

The only way to disprove Atheism is for there to be a real God...

So...Agnostics somehow believe in God? :blink:


Agnostics believe that there is no way to prove either way, so they're playing it safe. If there is a god, they're not denouncing him. If there isn't, they're not denouncing Science.

You can't disprove religion because you can't see God. You can't disprove Science because there is to much to back it up.


Yes, it is a 'safer' style belief; or lack there of belief. Athiests and Agnostics generally are rather similar, though, and Agnostics also reject religion on the basis that lacks actual proof and resoning. Agnostics believe in only what is known, and look for even more turth and understanding. Agnostics do not believe in something simply for the sake of believing in it; nor believing that another thing is correct simply because the oposite belief has been proven incorrect in some areas.
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:40 pm

Collective Systems wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Nor will people necessarily accept logical facts either...

Wait, what?

See: Texas School districts, many are willing to disregard facts in the face of it countering their belief systems...

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Postby The Christian Reich » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:41 pm

Christain- other probably because they don't have that nasty crusade thing on there shoulders. Like the Catholics.
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Postby Collective Systems » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:43 pm

Maurepas wrote:See: Texas School districts, many are willing to disregard facts in the face of it countering their belief systems...

Oh, yeah. I can't believe people still believe "facts" stated thousands of years ago when it was a "fact" that the Earth was flat.

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Postby Vesser » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:43 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Vesser wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
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HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


Agnosism; all of the others, including Athiesm, can be disproven

The only way to disprove Atheism is for there to be a real God...

So...Agnostics somehow believe in God? :blink:


Agnostics believe that there is no way to prove either way, so they're playing it safe. If there is a god, they're not denouncing him. If there isn't, they're not denouncing Science.

You can't disprove religion because you can't see God. You can't disprove Science because there is to much to back it up.

Phrase "Innocent until proven Guilty" comes to mind, God is nonexistent until proven otherwise, Atheism in a nutshell...

But, the point is, that in order for Atheism to be disproven, God must exist, and if God exists, all belief systems that include his non-existing would be disproven as well, therefore, I would think, unless Agnosticism accepts that his existing is the only possibility, that Agnosticism would be itself disproven as well...


But that brings back the whole point of "you can't disprove God."

Unless you took a cab to Heaven and saw that it was just hobos in hospital sheets, you can't really say, "well God doesn't exist." You can say, "fossils support evidence that god is non-existent," or something along those lines, but saying God doesn't exist is like saying there was no burning bush.

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Postby Acadzia » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:44 pm

Atheism may not be a religion in the traditional sense, its more of a "philosophical worldview regarding the existence of a god or gods." But "religion" is much shorter than that. Lol I'm tired of atheists getting all uppity!
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Postby JJ Place » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:44 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Vesser wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
JJ Place wrote:
HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


Agnosism; all of the others, including Athiesm, can be disproven

The only way to disprove Atheism is for there to be a real God...

So...Agnostics somehow believe in God? :blink:


Agnostics believe that there is no way to prove either way, so they're playing it safe. If there is a god, they're not denouncing him. If there isn't, they're not denouncing Science.

You can't disprove religion because you can't see God. You can't disprove Science because there is to much to back it up.

Phrase "Innocent until proven Guilty" comes to mind, God is nonexistent until proven otherwise, Atheism in a nutshell...

But, the point is, that in order for Atheism to be disproven, God must exist, and if God exists, all belief systems that include his non-existing would be disproven as well, therefore, I would think, unless Agnosticism accepts that his existing is the only possibility, that Agnosticism would be itself disproven as well...


If a theory is incorrect untill proven, how can you prove to me that there is no God? Do you see the entire Universe? Do you know the begining of time? Do you have acess to all of time and space? If not, then God cannot be proven to NOT exist either, as untill there is proof that he exists, we cannot prove that he does in fact exist.
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Postby Tagmatium » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:45 pm

Vesser wrote:Agnostics believe that there is no way to prove either way, so they're playing it safe. If there is a god, they're not denouncing him. If there isn't, they're not denouncing Science.

You can't disprove religion because you can't see God. You can't disprove Science because there is to much to back it up.

You do realise it's not a case of Religion vs Science, right?

There are loads of scientists who don't consider that they're doing contradicts their religion.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:45 pm

JJ Place wrote:Agnostics believe in only what is known

Well if they know X then they don't really believe X, do they?
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:46 pm

Vesser wrote:Judaism, hands down.

Even if it dies out now, it's still holding the record for, what, another 5,000 years?



HINDUISM.

just as old (probably older), far more adherents.
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Postby The Candy Lane » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:47 pm

Kreigan wrote:
Alsatian Knights wrote:
HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


All Aboard! :palm:

Atheism is the lack of Faith. You can't stomp out Ideas and Beliefs. Something humans have tried time and time again, and failed at.


Athieism isnt a religon. a religon is a belife in somthing athiest dont belive in anything


dont they believe that there is no God :?:
they probably put faith in their belief too. its probably a pretty weak case but w/v.
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:47 pm

JJ Place wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
Vesser wrote:
Maurepas wrote:
JJ Place wrote:
HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


Agnosism; all of the others, including Athiesm, can be disproven

The only way to disprove Atheism is for there to be a real God...

So...Agnostics somehow believe in God? :blink:


Agnostics believe that there is no way to prove either way, so they're playing it safe. If there is a god, they're not denouncing him. If there isn't, they're not denouncing Science.

You can't disprove religion because you can't see God. You can't disprove Science because there is to much to back it up.

Phrase "Innocent until proven Guilty" comes to mind, God is nonexistent until proven otherwise, Atheism in a nutshell...

But, the point is, that in order for Atheism to be disproven, God must exist, and if God exists, all belief systems that include his non-existing would be disproven as well, therefore, I would think, unless Agnosticism accepts that his existing is the only possibility, that Agnosticism would be itself disproven as well...


If a theory is incorrect untill proven, how can you prove to me that there is no God? Do you see the entire Universe? Do you know the begining of time? Do you have acess to all of time and space? If not, then God cannot be proven to NOT exist either, as untill there is proof that he exists, we cannot prove that he does in fact exist.


I dont have to, Burden of proof is on the accuser, it is God's job to prove that he exists to me, and, by extension, his fanclubs...

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Postby JJ Place » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:48 pm

Acadzia wrote:Atheism may not be a religion in the traditional sense, its more of a "philosophical worldview regarding the existence of a god or gods." But "religion" is much shorter than that. Lol I'm tired of atheists getting all uppity!


That is the word I have been looking for; philosophy!


Maurepas wrote:
JJ Place wrote:
Kreigan wrote:
Alsatian Knights wrote:
HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


All Aboard! :palm:

Atheism is the lack of Faith. You can't stomp out Ideas and Beliefs. Something humans have tried time and time again, and failed at.


Athieism isnt a religon. a religon is a belife in somthing athiest dont belive in anything its like saying scientology is a religon


it's more of a belief; Athiesm is the rejection of religion, coupled with the belief that there is no real 'God' figure; at least that's true Athiesm. It's a lot more complicated than that; yet, there's just something about Athiesm that lingers as a 'belief'; even if that belief is the belief that other beliefs are incorrect.

That theory has been presented here many a time...and discredited

A lack of belief does not denote a belief itself, anymore than a lack of Coffee indicates a bag of fresh ground beans from the hills of Colombia, ;)


Yet, Atheism is a belief, as the belief is that there is no God, without un-questionable evidence that there is not a God. Sure, Atheism is much better than religion and other beliefs; yet Atheism itself still is essentailly a belief in and of itself. Its just not a belief as we see a belief on the surface.
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Postby Maurepas » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:48 pm

The Candy Lane wrote:
Kreigan wrote:
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HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


All Aboard! :palm:

Atheism is the lack of Faith. You can't stomp out Ideas and Beliefs. Something humans have tried time and time again, and failed at.


Athieism isnt a religon. a religon is a belife in somthing athiest dont belive in anything


dont they believe that there is no God :?:
they probably put faith in their belief too. its probably a pretty weak case but w/v.

Once again, a Lack of belief, is not a belief...

the opposite in fact...A recognition of a lack of evidence...

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Postby 2nd PLT » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:48 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Vesser wrote:Judaism, hands down.

Even if it dies out now, it's still holding the record for, what, another 5,000 years?



HINDUISM.

just as old (probably older), far more adherents.

Like what I said
Me from page 1 wrote:Christianity and Catholicism is more wide spread, Judaism is older, and Islam is renowned (However wrongly) for fanaticism.
Atheism isn't a religion (It's a Religious belief but it is the Lack of religion), Eastern religions have survived being stomped out, time and time again.
Pagan religions have been around since time immemorial and continue to last (As it's such a general descriptor).
But I think Hinduism will last longest.
They are the oldest religion still around and they don't piss anyone off to much. The others (Atheists included) will probably kill each other off, while Hinduism just sits back and watches the show.
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Postby Vesser » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:48 pm

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Vesser wrote:Agnostics believe that there is no way to prove either way, so they're playing it safe. If there is a god, they're not denouncing him. If there isn't, they're not denouncing Science.

You can't disprove religion because you can't see God. You can't disprove Science because there is to much to back it up.

You do realise it's not a case of Religion vs Science, right?

There are loads of scientists who don't consider that they're doing contradicts their religion.


I know, but Atheism uses Science to further its point, does it not?

Not all Scientists are Atheists, but all Atheists believe in Science.

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Postby Tokos » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:49 pm

The Christian Reich wrote:Christain- other probably because they don't have that nasty crusade thing on there shoulders. Like the Catholics.


Yeah, the "Christains" let the East Europeans do all their dirty work. I bet the "Christains" wouldn't last long in a fight, so I don't think they will last long in the real world.
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Postby Veilyonia » Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:49 pm

The Candy Lane wrote:
Kreigan wrote:
Alsatian Knights wrote:
HunterBradleyLand wrote:Which RL world faith is the most likely to last to the end of humans and why?

I personally feel that Atheism will last longest because with science advancing, most people will convert to the faith.


All Aboard! :palm:

Atheism is the lack of Faith. You can't stomp out Ideas and Beliefs. Something humans have tried time and time again, and failed at.


Athieism isnt a religon. a religon is a belife in somthing athiest dont belive in anything


dont they believe that there is no God :?:
they probably put faith in their belief too. its probably a pretty weak case but w/v.


Yes, its definitely a belief, but it doesn't center around a diety like the term "religion" usually implies.
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