Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[Lady Scylla]

Bollocks, refugees should be taken in according to national law. No need to cherry pick.

TEM's refugee questionnaire:

1. Do you have a doctorate?

Y/N

2. Do you have $500,000 or more?

Y/N

3. Can you offer us sekrit dokuments?

Y/N

Answering yes to one of the above plus verification by the authorities gets you in.

Edit: the $500,000 isn't a bribe pls, before any accusations against me come out

I prefer:

• Have you ever committed a crime?
• Do you understand the requirement that, should you qualify for state assistance, you must find employment within six months?
• Do you understand the requirement that you must find a residence within six months?
• Do you understand that you must begin the naturalisation process within a year?
• Do you understand that, until naturalisation, committing crimes on US soil will result in immediate deportation and blacklisting?
• Do you understand that you must be fully vaccinated and have applied for some form of state-mandated medical care within 30 days?
• Do you understand that you must pay taxes?
• Do you understand that failure to follow any of the above, prior to naturalisation, will result in deportation and blacklisting?

[Liberonscien]

Bollocks, refugees should be taken in according to national law. No need to cherry pick.

TEM's refugee questionnaire:

1. Do you have a doctorate?

Y/N

2. Do you have $500,000 or more?

Y/N

3. Can you offer us sekrit dokuments?

Y/N

Answering yes to one of the above plus verification by the authorities gets you in.

Edit: the $500,000 isn't a bribe pls, before any accusations against me come out

This is OOC.

[The East Marches]

TEM's refugee questionnaire:

1. Do you have a doctorate?

Y/N

2. Do you have $500,000 or more?

Y/N

3. Can you offer us sekrit dokuments?

Y/N

Answering yes to one of the above plus verification by the authorities gets you in.

Edit: the $500,000 isn't a bribe pls, before any accusations against me come out

This is OOC.

That is correct, if I were to design a refugee questionnaire, that is what I would ideally put for The United States.

[Liberonscien]

This is OOC.

That is correct, if I were to design a refugee questionnaire, that is what I would ideally put for The United States.

Oh. I see.

[The East Marches]

TEM's refugee questionnaire:

1. Do you have a doctorate?

Y/N

2. Do you have $500,000 or more?

Y/N

3. Can you offer us sekrit dokuments?

Y/N

Answering yes to one of the above plus verification by the authorities gets you in.

Edit: the $500,000 isn't a bribe pls, before any accusations against me come out

I prefer:

• Have you ever committed a crime?
• Do you understand the requirement that, should you qualify for state assistance, you must find employment within six months?
• Do you understand the requirement that you must find a residence within six months?
• Do you understand that you must begin the naturalisation process within a year?
• Do you understand that, until naturalisation, committing crimes on US soil will result in immediate deportation and blacklisting?
• Do you understand that you must be fully vaccinated and have applied for some form of state-mandated medical care within 30 days?
• Do you understand that you must pay taxes?
• Do you understand that failure to follow any of the above, prior to naturalisation, will result in deportation and blacklisting?

I have to add the bolded to my questionnaire. That is not bad standards tbh, I could get behind that.

[Lady Scylla]

I prefer:

• Have you ever committed a crime?
• Do you understand the requirement that, should you qualify for state assistance, you must find employment within six months?
• Do you understand the requirement that you must find a residence within six months?
• Do you understand that you must begin the naturalisation process within a year?
• Do you understand that, until naturalisation, committing crimes on US soil will result in immediate deportation and blacklisting?
• Do you understand that you must be fully vaccinated and have applied for some form of state-mandated medical care within 30 days?
• Do you understand that you must pay taxes?
• Do you understand that failure to follow any of the above, prior to naturalisation, will result in deportation and blacklisting?

I have to add the bolded to my questionnaire. That is not bad standards tbh, I could get behind that.

Yeah, that'd be my basic immigration requirements. They need to contribute, like any other citizen, and be supported only long enough until theyve income to support themselves.

[The East Marches]

I have to add the bolded to my questionnaire. That is not bad standards tbh, I could get behind that.

Yeah, that'd be my basic immigration requirements. They need to contribute, like any other citizen, and be supported only long enough until theyve income to support themselves.

My concern is future resource allocation upon automation. Resources are finite, we only have so much money in the States. People coming to work low end jobs will likely become net losses for the country rather than a net gain. The goal would be the maximize the effective working life of the immigrant to provide maximum benefit for the country.

[Lady Scylla]

Yeah, that'd be my basic immigration requirements. They need to contribute, like any other citizen, and be supported only long enough until theyve income to support themselves.

My concern is future resource allocation upon automation. Resources are finite, we only have so much money in the States. People coming to work low end jobs will likely become net losses for the country rather than a net gain. The goal would be the maximize the effective working life of the immigrant to provide maximum benefit for the country.

The market will shift with automation. Therell be losses, but well be moving from a post-industrial stage to a more technical and information based economy with larger cyber infrastructure. Were going to become more specialised and that should actually help our resource pool and its distribution. It should also incentivise us to find solutions.

[The East Marches]

My concern is future resource allocation upon automation. Resources are finite, we only have so much money in the States. People coming to work low end jobs will likely become net losses for the country rather than a net gain. The goal would be the maximize the effective working life of the immigrant to provide maximum benefit for the country.

The market will shift with automation. Therell be losses, but well be moving from a post-industrial stage to a more technical and information based economy with larger cyber infrastructure. Were going to become more specialised and that should actually help our resource pool and its distribution. It should also incentivise us to find solutions.

I disagree with you, I think there will be exceptional amounts of workers left behind as we are lacking both the human resource and the infrastructure to re-educate our workforce to avoid this outcome. There will have to be some level of baseline living credit issued by the State to avoid angry armed starving people.

[Liberonscien]

Yeah, that'd be my basic immigration requirements. They need to contribute, like any other citizen, and be supported only long enough until theyve income to support themselves.

My concern is future resource allocation upon automation. Resources are finite, we only have so much money in the States. People coming to work low end jobs will likely become net losses for the country rather than a net gain. The goal would be the maximize the effective working life of the immigrant to provide maximum benefit for the country.

That sounds reasonable. However, one must balance the country's needs with the needs of its inhabitants.

[United Marxist Nations]

The market will shift with automation. Therell be losses, but well be moving from a post-industrial stage to a more technical and information based economy with larger cyber infrastructure. Were going to become more specialised and that should actually help our resource pool and its distribution. It should also incentivise us to find solutions.

I disagree with you, I think there will be exceptional amounts of workers left behind as we are lacking both the human resource and the infrastructure to re-educate our workforce to avoid this outcome. There will have to be some level of baseline living credit issued by the State to avoid angry armed starving people.

Yeah, if automation really does take over industries, we will need a large welfare state for the non-technocrats.

[Frodtthiuda]

TEM's refugee questionnaire:

1. Do you have a doctorate?

Y/N

You rascal! You, my most hated foe, are a traitor. Third-rate ― nay, sixth-rate ― doctoral degrees from exotic universities of very little repute are of no use to Occidental nations, which frequently encounter profound shortages of positions in academia for the number of doctorates granted. That is not to say, of course, that all those with a doctorate of philosophy will end up as lecturers and professors, but it is nevertheless worrying.

2. Do you have $500,000 or more?

Selling out the Fatherland? This is a new low for the Anglo. It is known that he will not hesitate to intervene in exotic locales, but many were not aware of his willingness to sacrifice his own homeland for monetary recompense. There is something in their eyes, I suspect, that pushes them towards a recklessness that it, oddly enough, calculating and precise.

3. Can you offer us sekrit dokuments?

His country for trivial “secrets”! It is for the best, I suppose; the Anglo will end up devouring himself, and the world will breathe the sublime airs of freedom.

[Lady Scylla]

The market will shift with automation. Therell be losses, but well be moving from a post-industrial stage to a more technical and information based economy with larger cyber infrastructure. Were going to become more specialised and that should actually help our resource pool and its distribution. It should also incentivise us to find solutions.

I disagree with you, I think there will be exceptional amounts of workers left behind as we are lacking both the human resource and the infrastructure to re-educate our workforce to avoid this outcome. There will have to be some level of baseline living credit issued by the State to avoid angry armed starving people.

I dont think itll be that large of a loss, at least not for sometime. Its inevitable to happen, and there will be a tipping point much like how the Industrial Revolution was. The older generation will die off likely before it happens, and the younger generation is very well knowledgeable in technology to transition more easily.

[Liberonscien]

I disagree with you, I think there will be exceptional amounts of workers left behind as we are lacking both the human resource and the infrastructure to re-educate our workforce to avoid this outcome. There will have to be some level of baseline living credit issued by the State to avoid angry armed starving people.

I dont think itll be that large of a loss, at least not for sometime. Its inevitable to happen, and there will be a tipping point much like how the Industrial Revolution was. The older generation will die off likely before it happens, and the younger generation is very well knowledgeable in technology to transition more easily.

If it doesn't?

[The East Marches]

I disagree with you, I think there will be exceptional amounts of workers left behind as we are lacking both the human resource and the infrastructure to re-educate our workforce to avoid this outcome. There will have to be some level of baseline living credit issued by the State to avoid angry armed starving people.

I dont think itll be that large of a loss, at least not for sometime. Its inevitable to happen, and there will be a tipping point much like how the Industrial Revolution was. The older generation will die off likely before it happens, and the younger generation is very well knowledgeable in technology to transition more easily.

I don't agree. I think it will hit much faster than you are anticipating. The older generation will not die off before it happens I believe. Not with the lifespans we are seeing and they are only set to increase with new discoveries in medicine. I also disagree that our system of education has been nearly effective enough to prepare the younger generation. That is another major fuckup on our part in failure to prepare for the future.

[The East Marches]

TEM's refugee questionnaire:

1. Do you have a doctorate?

Y/N

You rascal! You, my most hated foe, are a traitor. Third-rate ― nay, sixth-rate ― doctoral degrees from exotic universities of very little repute are of no use to Occidental nations, which frequently encounter profound shortages of positions in academia for the number of doctorates granted. That is not to say, of course, that all those with a doctorate of philosophy will end up as lecturers and professors, but it is nevertheless worrying.

My Spanish friend, I am no traitor. I am merely looking after the best interests of the country. We don't have enough people to fill our current gap of doctors and other things like that. It is a failure of education that could be righted until we correct our mistake. As well, there is nothing with letting men of learning of who will have much to contribute if they are respectable. Even Professors of Philosophy. Indeed Spaniard, you missed the part where I said we would verify to avoid this part. I know that rigorous standards are anathema to Spaniards but alas, we in the Anglo world believe in them.

2. Do you have $500,000 or more?

Selling out the Fatherland? This is a new low for the Anglo. It is known that he will not hesitate to intervene in exotic locales, but many were not aware of his willingness to sacrifice his own homeland for monetary recompense. There is something in their eyes, I suspect, that pushes them towards a recklessness that it, oddly enough, calculating and precise.

Please my friend, making the Fatherland stronger through direct investment. The Anglo knows the power of investment money and a prosperous nation. Anybody clever enough to amass such wealth and wisely put it here, then they've made their spot. I am merely bringing the Warthunder business model to reality. Pay2Win.

3. Can you offer us sekrit dokuments?

His country for trivial “secrets”! It is for the best, I suppose; the Anglo will end up devouring himself, and the world will breathe the sublime airs of freedom.

Please my Spanish friend, how can we know the sekrit plans of our enemies without giving them some ability or reason to come over?

[Itoshiki]

I prefer:

• Have you ever committed a crime?
• Do you understand the requirement that, should you qualify for state assistance, you must find employment within six months?
• Do you understand the requirement that you must find a residence within six months?
• Do you understand that you must begin the naturalisation process within a year?
• Do you understand that, until naturalisation, committing crimes on US soil will result in immediate deportation and blacklisting?
• Do you understand that you must be fully vaccinated and have applied for some form of state-mandated medical care within 30 days?
• Do you understand that you must pay taxes?
• Do you understand that failure to follow any of the above, prior to naturalisation, will result in deportation and blacklisting?

I can get behind this

Let in anyone who isn't a violent criminal.

They have to believe in Western values.

I can get behind this too, with the caveat the same thing applies for non-immigrants as well
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ gotta be consistent if you want to create an ideologically homogenous society (I do!)

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

Let in anyone who isn't a violent criminal.

They have to believe in Western values.

What are Western values?

[Frodtthiuda]

My Spanish friend, I am no traitor. I am merely looking after the best interests of the country. We don't have enough people to fill our current gap of doctors and other things like that. It is a failure of education that could be righted until we correct our mistake. As well, there is nothing with letting men of learning of who will have much to contribute if they are respectable. Even Professors of Philosophy. Indeed Spaniard, you missed the part where I said we would verify to avoid this part. I know that rigorous standards are anathema to Spaniards but alas, we in the Anglo world believe in them.

Of course, learned, cultured men are profitable investments for a country; indeed, the American would stand to gain a (minimal, admittedly) degree of exposure to the domains beyond the mephitic Appalachian town that saw him leave his “mother’s” womb, and that alone would justify the policy. Nevertheless, I fear that it is not quite so simple, and verification procedures could encounter issues. I seem to recall a problem in Eastern Europe (and, especially, in Russia): plagiarised and ghostwritten doctoral dissertations. It would not surprise me in the least for Middle Eastern institutions of higher education to be afflicted by these issues. Ah, the the Anglo! He believes he sees and calculates everything; little does he know that the beads he has for eyes serve to limit his foresight.

Please my friend, making the Fatherland stronger through direct investment. The Anglo knows the power of investment money and a prosperous nation. Anybody clever enough to amass such wealth and wisely put it here, then they've made their spot. I am merely bringing the Warthunder business model to reality. Pay2Win.

The profound corruption of the Anglo’s heart is well-known and well-documents. It is thus not necessary for you to defend yourself with senseless claims to defending the “Fatherland’s well-being”; I have long since taken you for a typical Anglo scoundrel, and you have done very little to change my view. The mark of the Anglo ― the twitching of the eyes upon sighting a coin and the utter disregard for that which falls outside of one’s self-interest. It is all there, friend! The imposition of truth is ineluctable, for she call eventually come to reign, thereby liberating us from the virulent depravity of the Anglo.

Please my Spanish friend, how can we know the sekrit plans of our enemies without giving them some ability or reason to come over?

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Other methods can be employed for harvesting, and one must be certain of the material’s worth. I should add that the image’s URL is rather suspicious, my kang.

[The East Marches]

My Spanish friend, I am no traitor. I am merely looking after the best interests of the country. We don't have enough people to fill our current gap of doctors and other things like that. It is a failure of education that could be righted until we correct our mistake. As well, there is nothing with letting men of learning of who will have much to contribute if they are respectable. Even Professors of Philosophy. Indeed Spaniard, you missed the part where I said we would verify to avoid this part. I know that rigorous standards are anathema to Spaniards but alas, we in the Anglo world believe in them.

Of course, learned, cultured men are profitable investments for a country; indeed, the American would stand to gain a (minimal, admittedly) degree of exposure to the domains beyond the mephitic Appalachian town that saw him leave his “mother’s” womb, and that alone would justify the policy. Nevertheless, I fear that it is not quite so simple, and verification procedures could encounter issues. I seem to recall a problem in Eastern Europe (and, especially, in Russia): plagiarised and ghostwritten doctoral dissertations. It would not surprise me in the least for Middle Eastern institutions of higher education to be afflicted by these issues. Ah, the the Anglo! He believes he sees and calculates everything; little does he know that the beads he has for eyes serve to limit his foresight.

That is why the Anglo believes in the phrase made famous by one of his land's most famous politicians, trust but verify

Unlike the Spaniard, the Anglo does not fear hard work of shifting through doctoral writings of foreigners. The potential benefit is well worth it. This is the difference between the two. One will go the extra mile for gain :^)

Please my friend, making the Fatherland stronger through direct investment. The Anglo knows the power of investment money and a prosperous nation. Anybody clever enough to amass such wealth and wisely put it here, then they've made their spot. I am merely bringing the Warthunder business model to reality. Pay2Win.

The profound corruption of the Anglo’s heart is well-known and well-documents. It is thus not necessary for you to defend yourself with senseless claims to defending the “Fatherland’s well-being”; I have long since taken you for a typical Anglo scoundrel, and you have done very little to change my view. The mark of the Anglo ― the twitching of the eyes upon sighting a coin and the utter disregard for that which falls outside of one’s self-interest. It is all there, friend! The imposition of truth is ineluctable, for she call eventually come to reign, thereby liberating us from the virulent depravity of the Anglo.

Please the corruption of the Anglo's heart? You mean the wise and clever investment of wealth? Please, the mark of the Latin is his disdain upon viewing money. Instead, he dives into the corruption of his hedonistic lifestyle eschewing all hard work and honest employment. He lives off the tax breaks of his government and the productivity of his northern neighbors. As you said, the truth is ineluctable. You are nothing more than a modern day nation of Oblomovs.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Of course, learned, cultured men are profitable investments for a country; indeed, the American would stand to gain a (minimal, admittedly) degree of exposure to the domains beyond the mephitic Appalachian town that saw him leave his “mother’s” womb, and that alone would justify the policy. Nevertheless, I fear that it is not quite so simple, and verification procedures could encounter issues. I seem to recall a problem in Eastern Europe (and, especially, in Russia): plagiarised and ghostwritten doctoral dissertations. It would not surprise me in the least for Middle Eastern institutions of higher education to be afflicted by these issues. Ah, the the Anglo! He believes he sees and calculates everything; little does he know that the beads he has for eyes serve to limit his foresight.

That is why the Anglo believes in the phrase made famous by one of his land's most famous politicians, trust but verify

Unlike the Spaniard, the Anglo does not fear hard work of shifting through doctoral writings of foreigners. The potential benefit is well worth it. This is the difference between the two. One will go the extra mile for gain :^)

The profound corruption of the Anglo’s heart is well-known and well-documents. It is thus not necessary for you to defend yourself with senseless claims to defending the “Fatherland’s well-being”; I have long since taken you for a typical Anglo scoundrel, and you have done very little to change my view. The mark of the Anglo ― the twitching of the eyes upon sighting a coin and the utter disregard for that which falls outside of one’s self-interest. It is all there, friend! The imposition of truth is ineluctable, for she call eventually come to reign, thereby liberating us from the virulent depravity of the Anglo.

Please the corruption of the Anglo's heart? You mean the wise and clever investment of wealth? Please, the mark of the Latin is his disdain upon viewing money. Instead, he dives into the corruption of his hedonistic lifestyle eschewing all hard work and honest employment. He lives off the tax breaks of his government and the productivity of his northern neighbors. As you said, the truth is ineluctable. You are nothing more than a modern day nation of Oblomovs.

The Anglo is not naive after all.

[Itoshiki]

They have to believe in Western values.

What are Western values?

For most people including arguably myself (though I am no Westerner), it's a pretentious way to say "what I, a Westerner, personally consider as a good thing, that also exist in some Western countries".

Idk whether they would call market capitalism as the part of Western values or not

[Gondolaulus]

Yeah, that'd be my basic immigration requirements. They need to contribute, like any other citizen, and be supported only long enough until theyve income to support themselves.

My concern is future resource allocation upon automation. Resources are finite, we only have so much money in the States. People coming to work low end jobs will likely become net losses for the country rather than a net gain. The goal would be the maximize the effective working life of the immigrant to provide maximum benefit for the country.

Automatization certainly is a problem (disregarding the context of immigrants here and speaking in general). But who knows. Maybe man-made products will be seen as a luxury here later. Hence people making products for a market as a source of income and then, eventually, coming to a fixed point wherein there's employment for everyone.

Maybe free market does fix it.

They have to believe in Western values.

What are Western values?

There are no western values as there is no thing such as a ''Westerner'' in a monolithic cultural context. A Westerner is a Dutchman, Frenchman, Anglo, German, American etc with each their own values.

[Itoshiki]

Supplying population growth could be one reason for accepting mid-low education immigration in Western countries But we know that won't happen because (1) nobody cares about long-time crisis that will outlive literally almost everyone (except the Japanese) and (2) immigrants integrate too fast. :^)

Eurabia = the only savior of Europe's future go go

[Old Tyrannia]

I would like to take this moment to profess my utter contempt for the use of the prefix "Anglo-" as a proper noun, mostly because it is a grammatical abomination but also because it seems largely to be used by foreigners as a vaguely derogatory term, and occasionally by Americans, presumably with the intention of dragging we loyal and freeborn Englishmen down to their level. If you can't be bothered to type out "English," "British," "English-speaking" or "Anglophone" dependent on the context, don't bother typing anything at all.

Post not entirely serious.