Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[36 Camera Perspective]

The U.S. and NATO had no right to remove Gaddafi, especially not in the mendacious manner they did it. They made a mockery of the very notion of human rights.

No they simply applied it unevenly.

Thus proving my point: humans are humans.

[The Princes of the Universe]

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I'm sure that's created by a 100% real Libyan and not some 1st world American Bernie-supporter.

Well, yeah, because I'm 90% sure that most Libyans can't afford internet now that Gaddafi is gone.
A third of the population has fucking fled the country dude, there is a civil war going on, and the infrastructure has been bombed back to the stone age. How much proof do you need that it was a bad fucking idea?

Nazi-style death camps?

[The East Marches]

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I'm sure that's created by a 100% real Libyan and not some 1st world American Bernie-supporter.

Well, yeah, because I'm 90% sure that most Libyans can't afford internet now that Gaddafi is gone.

A third of the population has fucking fled the country dude, there is a civil war going on, and the infrastructure has been bombed back to the stone age. How much proof do you need that it was a bad fucking idea?

He is giving Baghdad Bob a run for his money tbh

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

Any nation who makes Ivan suffer is a friend of mine.

Do you like the Freikorps?

Don't know too much about them, but Ebert = nothing wrong.

German Communists were traitors selling out their country to the USSR and deserved worse than what he gave them.

[36 Camera Perspective]

Well, yeah, because I'm 90% sure that most Libyans can't afford internet now that Gaddafi is gone.

A third of the population has fucking fled the country dude, there is a civil war going on, and the infrastructure has been bombed back to the stone age. How much proof do you need that it was a bad fucking idea?

He is giving Baghdad Bob a run for his money tbh

Basically any interview conducted with Gaddafi is comedy gold, but especially those occurring around the Civil War.

[The East Marches]

Do you like the Freikorps?

Don't know too much about them, but Ebert = nothing wrong.

German Communists were traitors selling out their country to the USSR and deserved worse than what he gave them.

10/10 reply

I recommend you give this book a read. The Freikorps did alot more than just put down commies at home.

[The East Marches]

He is giving Baghdad Bob a run for his money tbh

Basically any interview conducted with Gaddafi is comedy gold, but especially those occurring around the Civil War.

I have not viewed these. Its time to consult my googlefu. I am glad we paid Baghdad Bob and set him up in another country. He earned it. What a champ.

[36 Camera Perspective]

Basically any interview conducted with Gaddafi is comedy gold, but especially those occurring around the Civil War.

I have not viewed these. Its time to consult my googlefu.

Look at his interview with Anderson Cooper, or his other CNN interviews.

I also remember watching some very obscure footage where Gaddafi interacts with a Libyan citizen. It went like this...

C: I am a Libyan citizen and I don't have access to health care.
G: Nah, everyone in Libya has access to health care.
C: I'm being serious, Gaddafi. My children are dying.
G: You're not a real citizen. Show me your papers.
C: *presents papers*
G: *briefly looks at papers before throwing them on the ground*
These are fake, you are not a real Libyan, you are a migrant.

She had balls of steel to approach him like that. Also, note Gaddafi's insane bullshit abilities.

[36 Camera Perspective]

Basically any interview conducted with Gaddafi is comedy gold, but especially those occurring around the Civil War.

I have not viewed these. Its time to consult my googlefu. I am glad we paid Baghdad Bob and set him up in another country. He earned it. What a champ.

I also recall this hilarious anecdote from the internal machinations of Saddam's last days:

In addition, the West never understood the delusional nature of Saddam Hussein's mind. By 2002, when the United States and Britain were threatening war, he had lost touch with the reality of his diminished military might. By that time I had been promoted to director of projects for the country's entire military-industrial complex, and I witnessed firsthand the fantasy world in which he was living. He backed mythic but hopeless projects like one for a long-range missile that was completely unrealistic considering the constraints of international sanctions. The director of another struggling missile project, when called upon to give a progress report, recited a poem in the dictator's honor instead. Not only did he not go to prison, Saddam Hussein applauded him.

[The East Marches]

I have not viewed these. Its time to consult my googlefu.

Look at his interview with Anderson Cooper, or his other CNN interviews.

I also remember watching some very obscure footage where Gaddafi interacts with a Libyan citizen. It went like this...

C: I am a Libyan citizen and I don't have access to health care.
G: Nah, everyone in Libya has access to health care.
C: I'm being serious, Gaddafi. My children are dying.
G: You're not a real citizen. Show me your papers.
C: *presents papers*
G: *briefly looks at papers before throwing them on the ground*
These are fake, you are not a real Libyan, you are a migrant.

She had balls of steel to approach him like that. Also, note Gaddafi's insane bullshit abilities.

That is impressive. The ability to bullshit like that on the fly is an art form.

I have not viewed these. Its time to consult my googlefu. I am glad we paid Baghdad Bob and set him up in another country. He earned it. What a champ.

I also recall this hilarious anecdote from the internal machinations of Saddam's last days:

In addition, the West never understood the delusional nature of Saddam Hussein's mind. By 2002, when the United States and Britain were threatening war, he had lost touch with the reality of his diminished military might. By that time I had been promoted to director of projects for the country's entire military-industrial complex, and I witnessed firsthand the fantasy world in which he was living. He backed mythic but hopeless projects like one for a long-range missile that was completely unrealistic considering the constraints of international sanctions. The director of another struggling missile project, when called upon to give a progress report, recited a poem in the dictator's honor instead. Not only did he not go to prison, Saddam Hussein applauded him.

I thought I knew the depths he went to. Apparently I did not. You learn something new everyday. It appears I need to read up more on my dictators.

[36 Camera Perspective]

I thought I knew the depths he went to. Apparently I did not. You learn something new everyday. It appears I need to read up more on my dictators.

I recommend this book from Lewis Alsamari; He decided to escape Iraq after being conscripted into the Iraqi Mukhabarat. He spent time some in Abu Ghirab and saw horrible chemical weapons experiments done on families.

[The East Marches]

I thought I knew the depths he went to. Apparently I did not. You learn something new everyday. It appears I need to read up more on my dictators.

I recommend this book from Lewis Alsamari; He decided to escape Iraq after being conscripted into the Iraqi Mukhabarat. He spent time some in Abu Ghirab and saw horrible chemical weapons experiments done on families.

I will certainly give it a read, it definitely has my interest with such a description.

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

The more I read about North Africa, the more I'm convinced it would've been better off had the Italians won.

[Itoshiki]

The more I read about North Africa, the more I'm convinced it would've been better off had the Italians won.

Yes, because this is totally different from "Congo'll be better off had the Belgians stayed". Italians weren't completely benevolent masters, you know.

[The East Marches]

The more I read about North Africa, the more I'm convinced it would've been better off had the Italians won.

>Italians
>winning

They would have turned into a run down shitheap with endemic corruption problems and a basketcase economy surviving off of somebody else's subsidies because of all the free handouts they bribe the population with. Oh wait, that doesn't sound so different from today tbh. Just no civil war in Italy.

[Itoshiki]

And those that came after him are torturing those who dared to support him, have a civil war raging due to their incompetence, etc.

I am not asking you to love Gaddafi, but to admit that tearing him down was a great mistake.

He was a cut above the rest for a Middle Eastern dictator. I mean, you're talking about a guy who wasn't particularly fond of Islamic terrorism and wasn't particularly racist (like Hitler), except for a moderate fetish he wielded against the Berbers. He also wasn't a big fan of Jews (typical), but that was rendered practically irrelevant given there are very few Jews in Libya.

what lol

[The East Marches]

The more I read about North Africa, the more I'm convinced it would've been better off had the Italians won.

Yes, because this is totally different from "Congo'll be better off had the Belgians stayed". Italians weren't completely benevolent masters, you know.

To be fair to the Belgians, they kept their shit in the Congo and managed to turn a profit. Congo Free State however, that is a bit of a different story. I sometimes wonder if the land itself is cursed.

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

The more I read about North Africa, the more I'm convinced it would've been better off had the Italians won.

Yes, because this is totally no different than "you'll be better off had the Belgians stayed".

Italian rule over Libya and it's East African colonies are nowhere near comparable to the brutal exploitation that happened under the Belgian Congo. The Italian government built infrastructure, employed African men into the army, provided them (limited) citizenship, and respected their religious beliefs. Revolts were brutally put down and only a fool would argue that these were done for humanitarian reasons, but the fact that Italy was able to command the loyalty of it's African troops through the war, and one of it's colonies had the best living standards on the continent, are indicative that the colonies would've been better having stayed under Italian rule in the 40's.

[36 Camera Perspective]

He was a cut above the rest for a Middle Eastern dictator. I mean, you're talking about a guy who wasn't particularly fond of Islamic terrorism and wasn't particularly racist (like Hitler), except for a moderate fetish he wielded against the Berbers. He also wasn't a big fan of Jews (typical), but that was rendered practically irrelevant given there are very few Jews in Libya.

what lol

Please don't shitpost. What's your point?

[Gondolaulus]

Yes, because this is totally no different than "you'll be better off had the Belgians stayed".

Italian rule over Libya and it's East African colonies are nowhere near comparable to the brutal exploitation that happened under the Belgian Congo. The Italian government built infrastructure, employed African men into the army, provided them (limited) citizenship, and respected their religious beliefs. Revolts were brutally put down and only a fool would argue that these were done for humanitarian reasons, but the fact that Italy was able to command the loyalty of it's African troops through the war, and one of it's colonies had the best living standards on the continent, are indicative that the colonies would've been better having stayed under Italian rule in the 40's.

Wasn't Mussolini fond of racemixing too?

[Yoshida (Ancient)]

Italian rule over Libya and it's East African colonies are nowhere near comparable to the brutal exploitation that happened under the Belgian Congo. The Italian government built infrastructure, employed African men into the army, provided them (limited) citizenship, and respected their religious beliefs. Revolts were brutally put down and only a fool would argue that these were done for humanitarian reasons, but the fact that Italy was able to command the loyalty of it's African troops through the war, and one of it's colonies had the best living standards on the continent, are indicative that the colonies would've been better having stayed under Italian rule in the 40's.

Wasn't Mussolini fond of racemixing too?

He introduced legislature against race mixing and said in private that he was "going to have to teach these Italians about race so they don't make half-castes out of us all." the Falangists tended to be non-racist and viewed Spanish strength coming from it's ethnic admixture.

[PaNTuXIa]

The more I read about North Africa, the more I'm convinced it would've been better off had the Italians won.

The whole world would've been better off had the Italians won.

[Aelex]

The more I read about North Africa, the more I'm convinced it would've been better off had the Italians won.

Nah. They honestly wouldn't have been able to do better than we did in Algeria and even here we saw that the shitshow wasn't worth the cost so we gave independence to the rebeus there despite having crushed utterly their lil' rebellion.
Those people are simply too unruly and letting them mass-immigrate after we left the place was a terrible mistake.

[PaNTuXIa]

The more I read about North Africa, the more I'm convinced it would've been better off had the Italians won.

Nah. They honestly wouldn't have been able to do better than we did in Algeria and even here we saw that the shitshow wasn't worth the cost so we gave independence to the rebeus there despite having crushed utterly their lil' rebellion.
Those people are simply too unruly and letting them mass-immigrate after we left the place was a terrible mistake.

Completely agree. Allowing mass immigration from third world countries in general is a bad idea.

[Aelex]

Completely agree. Allowing mass immigration from third world countries in general is a bad idea.

Only the religious minorities and middle-class (at least) muslims should be allowed in. The rest is more of a liability than anything else.