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by Lady Scylla » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:21 pm
by Northern Davincia » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:21 pm
Lady Scylla wrote:Conscentia wrote:Why would flaws make you prefer him? And all presidents were very flawed. Why do Wilson's flaws in-particular make him your favourite?
I like people's faults because it makes them human, and it dispels people's demonization or idolization of such figures. Wilson accomplished several good feats I feel -- the 19th, FTC and Anti-Trust, the FedReserve, but at the same time he was very complacent towards racism and segregation. He's looked down or up upon for WWI, and the 14 Points and his idea over the 'League of Nations'. He's controversial, and I like that.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Great Minarchistan » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:22 pm
Lady Scylla wrote:Conscentia wrote:Why would flaws make you prefer him? And all presidents were very flawed. Why do Wilson's flaws in-particular make him your favourite?
I like people's faults because it makes them human, and it dispels people's demonization or idolization of such figures. Wilson accomplished several good feats I feel -- the 19th, FTC and Anti-Trust, the FedReserve, but at the same time he was very complacent towards racism and segregation. He's looked down or up upon for WWI, and the 14 Points and his idea over the 'League of Nations'. He's controversial, and I like that.
by FelrikTheDeleted » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:22 pm
by Lady Scylla » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:23 pm
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:Luminesa wrote:Eh, I'm conservative, and I think he was cool. Of course, he had lots of deep flaws, as any president does. But I've always really liked Reagan.
Edit: Someone mentioned FDR, I like him a lot as well.
FDR is the great president of the last century.
Saint Ronnie just helped a commie "federation" to its' grave.
...In the interests of not being an asshole I should mention that that's just my opinion.
by Lady Scylla » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:24 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Lady Scylla wrote:
I like people's faults because it makes them human, and it dispels people's demonization or idolization of such figures. Wilson accomplished several good feats I feel -- the 19th, FTC and Anti-Trust, the FedReserve, but at the same time he was very complacent towards racism and segregation. He's looked down or up upon for WWI, and the 14 Points and his idea over the 'League of Nations'. He's controversial, and I like that.
Goodness, the things you list as positives are truly awful, minus the 19th.
by Lady Scylla » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:25 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Lady Scylla wrote:
I like people's faults because it makes them human, and it dispels people's demonization or idolization of such figures. Wilson accomplished several good feats I feel -- the 19th, FTC and Anti-Trust, the FedReserve, but at the same time he was very complacent towards racism and segregation. He's looked down or up upon for WWI, and the 14 Points and his idea over the 'League of Nations'. He's controversial, and I like that.
Thomas Jefferson was also controversial and nobody likes him but me
#foreveralone
by Northern Davincia » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:25 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Lady Scylla wrote:
I like people's faults because it makes them human, and it dispels people's demonization or idolization of such figures. Wilson accomplished several good feats I feel -- the 19th, FTC and Anti-Trust, the FedReserve, but at the same time he was very complacent towards racism and segregation. He's looked down or up upon for WWI, and the 14 Points and his idea over the 'League of Nations'. He's controversial, and I like that.
Thomas Jefferson was also controversial and nobody likes him but me
#foreveralone
Conserative Morality wrote:Conscentia wrote:That you're a conservative doesn't really explain why you like Reagan. You could be a conservative and dislike Reagan.
Horoscopes and astrologers, Iranian deals, soft on terror, supporter of terrorists, neither a champion of family values nor of social progress, pro-apartheid, anti-transparency...
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Great Minarchistan » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:26 pm
by Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:28 pm
by Northern Davincia » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:28 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Great Minarchistan » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:31 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:My favorite part was when Aaron Burr stepped into the scene. He was the true hero.
by Northern Davincia » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:33 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:My favorite part was when Aaron Burr stepped into the scene. He was the true hero.
(Sorry I couldn't pass this opportunity)
https://youtu.be/mII9NZ8MMVM?t=17m45s
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Lady Scylla » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:33 pm
Lady Scylla wrote:
Sorry. Hamilton > Jefferson.
My favorite part was when Aaron Burr stepped into the scene. He was the true hero.
by Great Minarchistan » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:36 pm
Lady Scylla wrote:I'd have to disagree with you there. People can't be trusted with their money, unfortunately. So the Government has to coddle them.
by Conscentia » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:38 pm
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by UCE Watchdog of the Puppets » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:43 pm
Great Minarchistan wrote:UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:He instituted liberal corporatism in the United States; created the social welfare programs that made the needy less reliant on kindness (which is already tearing its' joyous way through our society once again) and more on the law; provided the industrial weight and might of our nation that destroyed the fascist and imperialist hordes faster than any half-illiterate communist, corrupt Kuomintang, or lethargic Brit could; cemented American hegemony through industrial, military, and scientific supremacy and productivity; set the cornerstones for the second effort at unifying the powers of this world in the effort of peace rather than mutual murder-suicide; delivered America from the hands of fascists, laissez-fairists, and communists; built the infrastructure that helped accelerate the development of all corners of the nation; and helped speed along efforts toward unifying the two continents under the hegemony of the Colossus of the North especially. Or at least facilitated all these events.
I of course see all of these as achievements and not detriments. But that's why.
One of the three best Presidents. Washington, Lincoln, Roosevelt.
FDR instituted liberal corporatism: You were supposed to say good arguments, not bad ones.
FDR created social welfare programs for the more needy: Sure he did, as well as he also kept unemployment high for a lot of time and extended depression by 7 years. Remember that in a depression the most affected are the poor (actually, the poor are always the most affected on a crisis, kek)
FDR provided the industrial weight and might of our nation that destroyed the fascist and imperialist hordes: Yeah, because he also relied on USSR, France and Great Britain to crush Nazi Germany.
cemented American hegemony through industrial, military, and scientific supremacy and productivity: ... Through abusive taxes and massive debt. Woo hoo. Anyone can do that as long as they are willing to levy heavy taxes on their citizens and issue loads of debt.
set the cornerstones for the second effort at unifying the powers of this world in the effort of peace rather than mutual murder-suicide: You know what, his "alliance" with USSR was mostly related with World War II mutual interests. You scratch my back, I scratch yours.
delivered America from the hands of fascists, laissez-fairists, and communists: Laissez-faire would end that depression really quick like in 1920s. But yo, spend yo way outta depression.
built the infrastructure that helped accelerate the development of all corners of the nation: Those who helped Great Depression to long for another seven years. You sure he boosted development?
and helped speed along efforts toward unifying the two continents under the hegemony of the Colossus of the North especially: I thought he was focused on peace? Hippity hoppity get out my property, dirty imperialists.
One of the three best Presidents. Washington,LincolnJefferson,RooseveltHarding
Fixed that for you.
by UCE Watchdog of the Puppets » Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:45 pm
by Lady Scylla » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:06 pm
by Great Minarchistan » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:07 pm
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:I get you don't endorse liberal corporatism, but how else is that not a good argument?
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:Well, unemployment did fall slowly.
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:I am more partial to the notion that the people who were unemployed were simply not worthy of employment in the new economy rather than being kept out because of something nasty.
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:The Depression might have gone on until World War II got started, but only because the recovery from it was a bumbling and global affair. Or something.
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:Still, though, I don't think anyone was hoping to put an end to either Hitler or the Japanese before 1950 until the DoW by Washington.
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:Industrialization is abusive and involves massive losses, too. Doesn't mean it's not worth it.
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:Yes, I know. He still had a longer-term outlook than simply "kill Hitler/Tojo and cut out the heart of Nazism/Japanese imperialism", and one which encompassed the world at large.
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:Might have shortened the recovery, I don't know. It's a counterfactual from an alternate universe from which I have no data and just vouchers.
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:I dunno if there would have been such an effort as this to electrify a malaria-ridden wasteland of the poor by private companies. Or any effort so majestic as this launched by Sacramento or by the magnates of the Golden State to make it great and famous for more than Hollywood, San Fran, and gold.
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:Sometimes the only lasting peace can be secured through hegemony.
UCE Watchdog of the Puppets wrote:One of the three best Presidents. Washington,LincolnJefferson,RooseveltHarding
Fixed that for you.
I don't consider that fixed. More like modified to fit your ideological standpoints.
by Lady Scylla » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:10 pm
by Northern Davincia » Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:10 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
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