Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[Conserative Morality]

This explains why you and I don't get along. You go to one of the objectively worst and most pleby boards on all of 4chan. GG no re, enjoy hanging with Conserative Morality. Real right wing boards like /his/, /int/ or /k/ are the only worthwhile places for good discussion. For instance, /int/ has the best place for studying international relations.

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LOSER

[Mattopilos II]

It can work, with extensive laws to regulate communitarian relations and provided all ethnic groups remain loyal members to the State.

I must disagree. Regulating communitarian relations only gives validation to other cultures by acknowledging their right to exist.

That isn't really an argument, mind you. And it really sounds like ethnic cleansing or aiming for a homogenous culture from the sounds of it.

I am not advocating ethnic cleansing or anything violent, but until a nations government openly and actively endorses western culture as superior as well as identifying it's french, English, germanic, greco-roman origins as the source of all modern things we enjoy.

HAHAHAHA! Nice meme. Seriously, western society might contribute a lot to the sciences and such, but it hardly has a superior """Culture""" as a whole. Not all Western culture is the same and each feeds off another sect of it, and outside of Western culture as well. This is quite a claim, and one hard to actually prove. Also, many modern things has origins, including those so-called "inferior" cultures. Many things would not be around as soon as they were without said cultures. The claim a culture is better because the country has better technology speaks of technology, not exclusively culture. Lets us not begin to conceive what culture would be like if never influenced by other cultures in the slightest. Cultures feed off other cultures, so there being a collective 'superior' culture is something hard to argue for, especially in modern times when so many cultures mingle.

Loyalty to the state only occurs when there is a dominant culture of patriotism and societal homogenity.

That suggests that the only aim of it is loyalty to a state, which it isn't.

My reason for advocating a denial of validity and an outright denounciation of non-western culture (save for some bits of east asian culture) is for the very fact that due to their stark primitiveness, all developing-world cultures are in direct conflict with all notions of western societal norms.

Well, China must be damn primitive with all the things it invented. Again, claiming a superior culture is something hard to do, and usually it is based on some Jingoistic nature of the observer to want to claim one type of culture is best - their own.

The enjoy the fruits of European culture while constantly making accusations of european decadence or depravity. We must place European history and culture upon a pillar miles above all others. It is that simple.

Yeah no. We can acknowledge what a cast impact it has had upon it, but that second part is how you make enemies.
Also, which people are claiming European decadence and depravity? Why are both necessarily bad? Why do you care?

[The Greater Aryan Race]

I must disagree. Regulating communitarian relations only gives validation to other cultures by acknowledging their right to exist.

And why not? Why shouldn't Sikh, Hindu, Tamil or Muslim communities be allowed to exist? There is no justification for the exclusion of cultures. Not now, not in the 19th century and certainly not in the Enlightenment period and in the preceding ages.

I am not advocating ethnic cleansing or anything violent, but until a nations government openly and actively endorses western culture as superior as well as identifying it's french, English, germanic, greco-roman origins as the source of all modern things we enjoy.

There is no evidence of Western culture somehow being 'superior' to others.

Loyalty to the state only occurs when there is a dominant culture of patriotism and societal homogenity. My reason for advocating a denial of validity and an outright denounciation of non-western culture (save for some bits of east asian culture) is for the very fact that due to their stark primitiveness, all developing-world cultures are in direct conflict with all notions of western societal norms. The enjoy the fruits of European culture while constantly making accusations of european decadence or depravity. We must place European history and culture upon a pillar miles above all others. It is that simple.

Except it isn't. I'm sure Japan, China, Singapore, Indonesia and Malaysia would disagree with you, amongst others.

[Crnobrnje]

cultures by acknowledging their right to exist

Do they have a right to exist?

[Venerable Bede]

A spook is a heresy against orthodox egoism. Heretic egoism is that subject to spooks.

All egoists don't even subscribe to the idea of spooks.

And that makes their egoism heretical. Rand's, for instance.

[Lady Scylla]

RWDT, what are your thoughts on Snowden? Also, speaking of Snowden; what do you think constitutes treason? Do you think Snowden is a hero or a traitor?

Depends. There are two forms of betrayal that I see: You can betray your government. You can betray your people.

For me, I view it as follows:

Betraying People > Betraying Government

If someone blows the whistle on government surveillance, then they have betrayed the government, but they have not done so to the people. Therefore, I don't consider them a traitor. Now, if a whistleblower releases information on government surveillance without doing so with great care in safeguarding names in that data, and it results in harm or death of those persons -- then they have betrayed both the people and the government. And betraying the people is unforgivable.

[Nekoyama]

All egoists don't even subscribe to the idea of spooks.

And that makes their egoism heretical. Rand's, for instance.

...

I think I may have just lost brain cells reading this.

[The Conez Imperium]

RWDT, what are your thoughts on Snowden? Also, speaking of Snowden; what do you think constitutes treason? Do you think Snowden is a hero or a traitor?

Depends. There are two forms of betrayal that I see: You can betray your government. You can betray your people.

For me, I view it as follows:

Betraying People > Betraying Government

If someone blows the whistle on government surveillance, then they have betrayed the government, but they have not done so to the people. Therefore, I don't consider them a traitor. Now, if a whistleblower releases information on government surveillance without doing so with great care in safeguarding names in that data, and it results in harm or death of those persons -- then they have betrayed both the people and the government. And betraying the people is unforgivable.

Betraying the people sounds an awful like "volksverraeter".

[Venerable Bede]

/his/ came out of it. That's where weaker philosophy like legit trolley goes. /his/ is partially a containment board to keep plebs off /lit/.

This explains why you and I don't get along. You go to one of the objectively worst and most pleby boards on all of 4chan. GG no re, enjoy hanging with Conserative Morality. Real right wing boards like /his/, /int/ or /k/ are the only worthwhile places for good discussion. For instance, /int/ has the best place for studying international relations.

/his/ is the most left board next to /lgbt/ because they lack the elitism of /lit/. /lit/ only deserves rebuke for being the sole father of Stirner as a meme.

[Venerable Bede]

And that makes their egoism heretical. Rand's, for instance.

...

I think I may have just lost brain cells reading this.

Anything that violates the dogma of materialism is dismissed as a spook, and Rand is rejected by Stirnerists as a flawed materialist since she believes in "rightful" property; rightful is a principle, not material.

[Grand Sovereign League]

It can work, with extensive laws to regulate communitarian relations and provided all ethnic groups remain loyal members to the State.

I must disagree. Regulating communitarian relations only gives validation to other cultures by acknowledging their right to exist.

That isn't really an argument, mind you. And it really sounds like ethnic cleansing or aiming for a homogenous culture from the sounds of it.

I am not advocating ethnic cleansing or anything violent, but until a nations government openly and actively endorses western culture as superior as well as identifying it's french, English, germanic, greco-roman origins as the source of all modern things we enjoy.

HAHAHAHA! Nice meme. Seriously, western society might contribute a lot to the sciences and such, but it hardly has a superior """Culture""" as a whole. Not all Western culture is the same and each feeds off another sect of it, and outside of Western culture as well. This is quite a claim, and one hard to actually prove. Also, many modern things has origins, including those so-called "inferior" cultures. Many things would not be around as soon as they were without said cultures. The claim a culture is better because the country has better technology speaks of technology, not exclusively culture. Lets us not begin to conceive what culture would be like if never influenced by other cultures in the slightest. Cultures feed off other cultures, so there being a collective 'superior' culture is something hard to argue for, especially in modern times when so many cultures mingle.

Loyalty to the state only occurs when there is a dominant culture of patriotism and societal homogenity.

That suggests that the only aim of it is loyalty to a state, which it isn't.

My reason for advocating a denial of validity and an outright denounciation of non-western culture (save for some bits of east asian culture) is for the very fact that due to their stark primitiveness, all developing-world cultures are in direct conflict with all notions of western societal norms.

Well, China must be damn primitive with all the things it invented. Again, claiming a superior culture is something hard to do, and usually it is based on some Jingoistic nature of the observer to want to claim one type of culture is best - their own.

The enjoy the fruits of European culture while constantly making accusations of european decadence or depravity. We must place European history and culture upon a pillar miles above all others. It is that simple.

Yeah no. We can acknowledge what a cast impact it has had upon it, but that second part is how you make enemies.
Also, which people are claiming European decadence and depravity? Why are both necessarily bad? Why do you care?

1. Acknowledging their right to exist in conflict with western society

2. I am generalising to vast degree however, World culture (as in a summation of global society and politics in the age of globalisation) is overwhelmingly western. Meme-like or not one cannot deny that from iran, to china, and the whole of africa western civilisation is emulated regardless of open endorsement or not. I am also clearly advocating the superiority of my own culture - western european culture- because every nation on this planet has embraced it whether openly or in some form of crude relabeling to varying degrees.

3. China is not a strong example here. I hope you saw my (... east asian...). Regardless of dynasty era advances in science, industry, and bureaucracy; china has abandoned all but a superficial degree of it's of culture (folkism, food, music, and post-mao watered down Confucianism. fact is that china is nationalist corporatist border-line fascist nation that masquerades as communist for the sake of not openly looking like a chinese atheistic reich. Please tell me of the living examples of nations embracing manchu court bureaucracy outside of asia in contemporary times. And preemptively, Maoism is hollow cult of personality originating from german socialist philosphers and flat emulation of stalin.

4. Islam is the main sources of cries of depravity or decadence as well as misinformed third-world anti-globalism. I never claimed that this a bad thing either.

I place emphasis on the fact that modern immigrants to the west generally have negative feelings towards western culture and only come to our nations to live more comfortable lives off our generous aid and welfare and enjoy the stability of much longer industrial experience and its infrastructure.

[The East Marches]

This explains why you and I don't get along. You go to one of the objectively worst and most pleby boards on all of 4chan. GG no re, enjoy hanging with Conserative Morality. Real right wing boards like /his/, /int/ or /k/ are the only worthwhile places for good discussion. For instance, /int/ has the best place for studying international relations.

Listen to this pleb he probably likes Joyce

LOSER

>I'd read anything from an Irishman

Disgusting tbh

Daily Reminder: Peter Forbath is best author

This explains why you and I don't get along. You go to one of the objectively worst and most pleby boards on all of 4chan. GG no re, enjoy hanging with Conserative Morality. Real right wing boards like /his/, /int/ or /k/ are the only worthwhile places for good discussion. For instance, /int/ has the best place for studying international relations.

/his/ is the most left board next to /lgbt/ because they lack the elitism of /lit/. /lit/ only deserves rebuke for being the sole father of Stirner as a meme.

>/his/
>left leaning board

Its basically a /pol/ colony. /lit/ is the second most left board to /mu/. Filled with hipsters with no sense of humor nor quality understanding of literature!

[Lady Scylla]

Depends. There are two forms of betrayal that I see: You can betray your government. You can betray your people.

For me, I view it as follows:

Betraying People > Betraying Government

If someone blows the whistle on government surveillance, then they have betrayed the government, but they have not done so to the people. Therefore, I don't consider them a traitor. Now, if a whistleblower releases information on government surveillance without doing so with great care in safeguarding names in that data, and it results in harm or death of those persons -- then they have betrayed both the people and the government. And betraying the people is unforgivable.

Betraying the people sounds an awful like "volksverraeter".

Betraying the people in the manner of releasing a document with names uncensored that wind up with soldiers or civilians getting killed or harmed and doing so willingly knowing such an action would happen.

[Venerable Bede]

Listen to this pleb he probably likes Joyce

LOSER

>I'd read anything from an Irishman

Disgusting tbh

Daily Reminder: Peter Forbath is best author

/his/ is the most left board next to /lgbt/ because they lack the elitism of /lit/. /lit/ only deserves rebuke for being the sole father of Stirner as a meme.

>/his/
>left leaning board

Its basically a /pol/ colony. /lit/ is the second most left board to /mu/. Filled with hipsters with no sense of humor nor quality understanding of literature!

Eh? /lit/'s taste isn't hipster at all. They like Shakespeare and Proust. If /mu/ were like /lit/, most threads would be on Bach and Gregorian chants.

[USS Monitor]

/his/ came out of it. That's where weaker philosophy like legit trolley goes. /his/ is partially a containment board to keep plebs off /lit/.

This explains why you and I don't get along. You go to one of the objectively worst and most pleby boards on all of 4chan. GG no re, enjoy hanging with Conserative Morality. Real right wing boards like /his/, /int/ or /k/ are the only worthwhile places for good discussion. For instance, /int/ has the best place for studying international relations.

I've followed this conversation back a few posts, and I still have no clue why you brought Conserative Morality into it. Since you're using his name in an insulting way, and you have a lengthy moderation history *** 1 month ban for flamebait ***. This might get changed to a deletion once I discuss it with other mods.

This explains why you and I don't get along. You go to one of the objectively worst and most pleby boards on all of 4chan. GG no re, enjoy hanging with Conserative Morality. Real right wing boards like /his/, /int/ or /k/ are the only worthwhile places for good discussion. For instance, /int/ has the best place for studying international relations.

Listen to this pleb he probably likes Joyce

LOSER

When someone is baiting you, please report it instead of taking the bait. *** 3 day ban for flaming ***

[Napkiraly]

Daily Reminder: Mods don't understand the concept of banter between people that are on friendly terms. GG no re moderation, you have done gone fucked up once again.

[Mattopilos II]

1. Acknowledging their right to exist in conflict with western society

2. I am generalising to vast degree however, World culture (as in a summation of global society and politics in the age of globalisation) is overwhelmingly western. Meme-like or not one cannot deny that from iran, to china, and the whole of africa western civilisation is emulated regardless of open endorsement or not. I am also clearly advocating the superiority of my own culture - western european culture- because every nation on this planet has embraced it whether openly or in some form of crude relabeling to varying degrees.

3. China is not a strong example here. I hope you saw my (... east asian...). Regardless of dynasty era advances in science, industry, and bureaucracy; china has abandoned all but a superficial degree of it's of culture (folkism, food, music, and post-mao watered down Confucianism. fact is that china is nationalist corporatist border-line fascist nation that masquerades as communist for the sake of not openly looking like a chinese atheistic reich. Please tell me of the living examples of nations embracing manchu court bureaucracy outside of asia in contemporary times. And preemptively, Maoism is hollow cult of personality originating from german socialist philosphers and flat emulation of stalin.

4. Islam is the main sources of cries of depravity or decadence as well as misinformed third-world anti-globalism. I never claimed that this a bad thing either.

5. I place emphasis on the fact that modern immigrants to the west generally have negative feelings towards western culture and only come to our nations to live more comfortable lives off our generous aid and welfare and enjoy the stability of much longer industrial experience and its infrastructure.

1. You are suggesting all sects of culture in Western society are somehow coherent and themselves not in conflict. Only then, could one suggest all other cultures that are non-western are acting in conflict with western culture.

2. And? Are all said western cultures the same? Have all signs of previous cultures diminished? Not really. It is more like the aesthetics and modes of being are becoming western, but hardly they *are* western and that's the end of it. MY god you are quite up yourself to suggest you have the most superior culture because others 'embrace' it. Not that simple, and not that superior. Given most of said culture was spread from conquest and forced immigration on your part, me thinks it is so much your 'culture' is superior as your invasion skills. Please keep your Jingoism away from me and others, you might poke your eye out.

3. I am not talking of its government structure here, so don't bother trying to hide behind that. The fact it has such a rich history that is still known is an example culture exists there and much of it still embraced and looked upon fondly. Just because it isn't here *now* means nothing. That would be like saying we need a feudal system in Europe or else western culture is dead and inferior. Not that simple. And again, if said advances had not come about by them, who knows how long it would be until they did and the impact on current times.

4. I think most religions make such cries.

5. They usually do it to escape war, or crappy conditions from what is seen as, well, theocracies.

[Lady Scylla]

Daily Reminder: Mods don't understand the concept of banter between people that are on friendly terms. GG no re moderation, you have done gone fucked up once again.

I actually have to agree with Nap for once.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

This explains why you and I don't get along. You go to one of the objectively worst and most pleby boards on all of 4chan. GG no re, enjoy hanging with Conserative Morality. Real right wing boards like /his/, /int/ or /k/ are the only worthwhile places for good discussion. For instance, /int/ has the best place for studying international relations.

I've followed this conversation back a few posts, and I still have no clue why you brought Conserative Morality into it. Since you're using his name in an insulting way, and you have a lengthy moderation history *** 1 month ban for flamebait ***. This might get changed to a deletion once I discuss it with other mods.

Listen to this pleb he probably likes Joyce

LOSER

When someone is baiting you, please report it instead of taking the bait. *** 3 day ban for flaming ***

LOL

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Daily Reminder: Mods don't understand the concept of banter between people that are on friendly terms. GG no re moderation, you have done gone fucked up once again.

I actually have to agree with Nap for once.

To be fair USS may not know that they are on friendly terms nor that this was friendly banter. (I would think that it was fairly obvious, however, that no malicious intent was present)

[Herskerstad]

Swing and a miss mods. Neither meant any ill. Anyone who has seen either of them angry can attest to it.

[Grinstead]

This explains why you and I don't get along. You go to one of the objectively worst and most pleby boards on all of 4chan. GG no re, enjoy hanging with Conserative Morality. Real right wing boards like /his/, /int/ or /k/ are the only worthwhile places for good discussion. For instance, /int/ has the best place for studying international relations.

I've followed this conversation back a few posts, and I still have no clue why you brought Conserative Morality into it. Since you're using his name in an insulting way, and you have a lengthy moderation history *** 1 month ban for flamebait ***. This might get changed to a deletion once I discuss it with other mods.

Listen to this pleb he probably likes Joyce

LOSER

When someone is baiting you, please report it instead of taking the bait. *** 3 day ban for flaming ***

lol

[The Blaatschapen]

I've followed this conversation back a few posts, and I still have no clue why you brought Conserative Morality into it. Since you're using his name in an insulting way, and you have a lengthy moderation history *** 1 month ban for flamebait ***. This might get changed to a deletion once I discuss it with other mods.



When someone is baiting you, please report it instead of taking the bait. *** 3 day ban for flaming ***

lol

I've followed this conversation back a few posts, and I still have no clue why you brought Conserative Morality into it. Since you're using his name in an insulting way, and you have a lengthy moderation history *** 1 month ban for flamebait ***. This might get changed to a deletion once I discuss it with other mods.



When someone is baiting you, please report it instead of taking the bait. *** 3 day ban for flaming ***

LOL

Grinstead and HMS Queen Elizabeth:
*** Warned for gloating ***

The Blaatschapen - NationStates Moderator

[Gondolaulus]

Define backward believe. And in essence, that is not multiculturalism.

Once one culture outforces another, there is no multiculturalism. There is cultural domination.

>Backwards Beliefs

Its ok to send children over minefields :^)

>implying there is proof it ever happened.

Liberal multiculturalism isn't multiculturalism.

It's one culture dominating the other. Something like that is assimilation. Nothing more nothing less. One culture getting destroyed to be integrated into another culture.

Multiculturalism is a concept defined and coined in the West, and more specifically, by liberals.

You're mistaking liberalization for assimilation. I don't think that's very accurate, many cultures have liberalized on their own for example.

Wrong, they had to change in order to survive in a new enviroment.

The same is happening with Muslims living in Europe. They need to change otherwise they get overrun by the majority. And if that happens then things will backlash.

Two different cultures are never compatible and liberal multiculturalism is a nice term for cultural assimilisaton. The mere fact that you stated ''inferior'' cultures means there is, for you, a wrong and right culture and the wrong ones need to adapt to it.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

LOL

Grinstead and HMS Queen Elizabeth:
*** Warned for gloating ***

The Blaatschapen - NationStates Moderator

I was laughing at USS Monitor, not the people she warned.