Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[Itoshiki]

That's not what the wall is for.

The wall will be built to appease certain sectors of Trump's voters and boost his personal rating and prestige, not to solve any real problem. Backtracking on his promise would be politically disastrous, and guaranteed to be continuously highlighted by his political opponents in the oncoming elections. He can't have that, oh no! Instead he would drain the budget for fancy, useless things, which will be treated more forgivingly by plebs because there are alternative-facts that this actually works! It's easier to lie about something that actually exists, after all. The same with freezing on refugees and immigration restrictions.

Like I said in another thread, he could just put a toll on anyone that crosses the border to pay for that wall.

From last year -

A million people will cross the Mexican-U.S. border legally today in both directions

Yes, and he also could raise tariffs on Mexican products too so that they will indirectly "pay". So? This is as expensive as boosting the national debt to the roofs.

[Conserative Morality]

Like I said in another thread, he could just put a toll on anyone that crosses the border to pay for that wall.

Right, and what happens when that reduces legal traffic? Legal trade? Legal tourism? What if not only the economy as a whole, but even government revenue in particular loses more than it gains from such a toll (which is pretty fucking likely)?

I feel like we're heading towards a second Smoot-Hawley.

[The East Marches]

...

Oh sweet Jesus save me.

Tell me when your wall stops visa overstays, the most common method of illegal immigration. But no, that's too subtle a problem. Much better to pretend that border hopping and not smuggling via watercraft, hiding during legal crossings, or tunnels is the preferred method of choice for illegal immigration.

That's not what the wall is for.

The wall will be built to appease certain sectors of Trump's voters and boost his personal rating and prestige, not to solve any real problem. Backtracking on his promise would be politically disastrous, and guaranteed to be continuously highlighted by his political opponents in the oncoming elections. He can't have that, oh no! Instead he would drain the budget for fancy, useless things, which will be treated more forgivingly by plebs because there are alternative-facts that this actually works! It's easier to lie about something that actually exists, after all. The same with freezing on refugees and immigration restrictions.

I heard the Dutch might have a slot for you if you've relatives that helped them in their "Politionele Acties".

Trump will help us ban degenerate anime and join Farrage in the final crusade.

[Kravanica]

Like I said in another thread, he could just put a toll on anyone that crosses the border to pay for that wall.

Right, and what happens when that reduces legal traffic? Legal trade? Legal tourism? What if not only the economy as a whole, but even government revenue in particular loses more than it gains from such a toll (which is pretty fucking likely)?

I feel like we're heading towards a second Smoot-Hawley.

I am concerned that he'll be restricting free trade and thus be restricting the economy.

[Itoshiki]

That's not what the wall is for.

The wall will be built to appease certain sectors of Trump's voters and boost his personal rating and prestige, not to solve any real problem. Backtracking on his promise would be politically disastrous, and guaranteed to be continuously highlighted by his political opponents in the oncoming elections. He can't have that, oh no! Instead he would drain the budget for fancy, useless things, which will be treated more forgivingly by plebs because there are alternative-facts that this actually works! It's easier to lie about something that actually exists, after all. The same with freezing on refugees and immigration restrictions.

I heard the Dutch might have a slot for you if you've relatives that helped them in their "Politionele Acties".

Trump will help us ban degenerate anime and join Farrage in the final crusade.

m8 save that when I'm shitposting for real

[The East Marches]

Like I said in another thread, he could just put a toll on anyone that crosses the border to pay for that wall.

Right, and what happens when that reduces legal traffic? Legal trade? Legal tourism? What if not only the economy as a whole, but even government revenue in particular loses more than it gains from such a toll (which is pretty fucking likely)?

I feel like we're heading towards a second Smoot-Hawley.

Daily Reminder: Smoot Hawley didn't cause our problems, the failure to pay WW1 debts and a general breakdown in finance did

Edit: this is not an endorsement of Trump's trade policies merely a statement of causes

[Conserative Morality]

I am concerned that he'll be restricting free trade and thus be restricting the economy.

That's basically what he ran on. "Trade war with China! Trade war with Mexico! Trade war with Europe! It's gonna be so great folks, we're gonna do so good. So good. It'll be amazing."

[The East Marches]

I heard the Dutch might have a slot for you if you've relatives that helped them in their "Politionele Acties".

Trump will help us ban degenerate anime and join Farrage in the final crusade.

m8 save that when I'm shitposting for real

Alright fam, I will.

[Conserative Morality]

Daily Reminder: Smoot Hawley didn't cause our problems, the failure to pay WW1 debts and a general breakdown in finance did

Daily reminder: rubbing salt into a wound doesn't cause the wound, but it's still a really fucking bad idea and an agitant.

[Kravanica]

I am concerned that he'll be restricting free trade and thus be restricting the economy.

That's basically what he ran on. "Trade war with China! Trade war with Mexico! Trade war with Europe! It's gonna be so great folks, we're gonna do so good. So good. It'll be amazing."

A tariff war, except all tariffs are is essentially more taxes on us.

[The East Marches]

Daily Reminder: Smoot Hawley didn't cause our problems, the failure to pay WW1 debts and a general breakdown in finance did

Daily reminder: rubbing salt into a wound doesn't cause the wound, but it's still a really fucking bad idea and an agitant.

Fuck, I was hoping you fall for the common fallacy. You've defeated me.

[The East Marches]

That's basically what he ran on. "Trade war with China! Trade war with Mexico! Trade war with Europe! It's gonna be so great folks, we're gonna do so good. So good. It'll be amazing."

A tariff war, except all tariffs are is essentially more taxes on us.

You also can't be afraid to walk away from the table when it isn't working or apply other leverage. Our failures earlier are revisiting us in Trump.

[Conserative Morality]

Fuck, I was hoping you fall for the common fallacy. You've defeated me.

Sorry, let me try again:

COOLIDGE CAUSED THE DEPRESSION

FDR SAVED US FROM A FIERY GRAVE

WW2 MADE US MONEY

[The East Marches]

Fuck, I was hoping you fall for the common fallacy. You've defeated me.

Sorry, let me try again:

COOLIDGE CAUSED THE DEPRESSION

FDR SAVED US FROM A FIERY GRAVE

WW2 MADE US MONEY

*tear in eye*

Thank you for that. It reminds me of the good ol days.

[Rio Cana]

News from seven hours ago. The Pres. of Cuba, who is in the Dominican Republic attending a conference of Latin American and Caribbean states, said he has no problem with Trump. That is has long has Cuba s sovereignty and independence is not threatened.

Should mention that Latin Amercan leaders are not happy about this new US protectionism and immigration laws. Some say this will create a more united region.

Story - http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/c ... ted-234210

[Herskerstad]

So Mexico is trying to cold-shoulder the US.

Who wants to bet that'll work about as well as the Thornton Affair?

Well if things go the way they are and they [Mexico] buddies China, that could make things interesting.

Would be even more interesting if a few million illegals got deported over with a little note on the way that details Mexico's extraordinary natural resources and wealth disparity to the political class.

As much as anyone might want to argue, Mexico would be in no state to play hardball with a Trump administration. Not with their internal state and corrupt upper class.

[Germanic Templars]

Well if things go the way they are and they [Mexico] buddies China, that could make things interesting.

Would be even more interesting if a few million illegals got deported over with a little note on the way that details Mexico's extraordinary natural resources and wealth disparity to the political class.

As much as anyone might want to argue, Mexico would be in no state to play hardball with a Trump administration. Not with their internal state and corrupt upper class.

Let's not forget that even if they try to escalate things to war, they would be out-classes, out gunned, and out maneuvered. They lack proper armored vehicles. In fact, let's compare.

[Torsiedelle]

Would be even more interesting if a few million illegals got deported over with a little note on the way that details Mexico's extraordinary natural resources and wealth disparity to the political class.

As much as anyone might want to argue, Mexico would be in no state to play hardball with a Trump administration. Not with their internal state and corrupt upper class.

Let's not forget that even if they try to escalate things to war, they would be out-classes, out gunned, and out maneuvered. They lack proper armored vehicles. In fact, let's compare.

Time to add a few more states, eh?

[Germanic Templars]

Let's not forget that even if they try to escalate things to war, they would be out-classes, out gunned, and out maneuvered. They lack proper armored vehicles. In fact, let's compare.

Time to add a few more states, eh?

Fuck no! That is a logistical issue we dont need to deal with. Besides nothing good to gain from Mexico.

[Torsiedelle]

Time to add a few more states, eh?

Fuck no! That is a logistical issue we dont need to deal with. Besides nothing good to gain from Mexico.

True.

And it ruins the wall.

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

Fuck no! That is a logistical issue we dont need to deal with. Besides nothing good to gain from Mexico.

True.

And it ruins the wall.

Destroys the economy faster than bombing the continent to rubble to chop off a quarter of the country with a wall because of some emotional tribalists.

[Germanic Templars]

True.

And it ruins the wall.

Destroys the economy faster than bombing the continent to rubble to chop off a quarter of the country with a wall because of some emotional tribalists.

Assuming the war lasts as long as Afghanistan and Iraq.

[Spaceman Spliff]

Destroys the economy faster than bombing the continent to rubble to chop off a quarter of the country with a wall because of some emotional tribalists.

Assuming the war lasts as long as Afghanistan and Iraq.

Why wouldn't it? The northern giant is striking at Mexico again and now they all know how to fight guerrilla revolutions against us. It's full of corruption and rough land. They would do better than the Triple Alliance against Cortes at least.

[Germanic Templars]

Assuming the war lasts as long as Afghanistan and Iraq.

Why wouldn't it? The northern giant is striking at Mexico again and now they all know how to fight guerrilla revolutions against us. It's full of corruption and rough land. They would do better than the Triple Alliance against Cortes at least.

Might work, if you excluded military training and doctrine, drones, satellites, air superiority. Essentially it would be like Afghanistan and Iraq but more of a... Well, let me put it in a song.

[Spaceman Spliff]

Why wouldn't it? The northern giant is striking at Mexico again and now they all know how to fight guerrilla revolutions against us. It's full of corruption and rough land. They would do better than the Triple Alliance against Cortes at least.

Might work, if you excluded military training and doctrine, drones, satellites, air superiority. Essentially it would be like Afghanistan and Iraq but more of a... Well, let me put it in a song.

I have no doubt that American military supremacy remains undoubted against our neighbor to the south. It's just that once the Fuerzas Armadas are blown out of the way like the hijos de chingadas they are (/joking) there will be a period of guerrilla resistance.