Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[Sanctissima]

Say what you will about Willie, but Hindenburg and Ludendorff kicked ass on the Eastern Front.

Yeah, and that's about all they were good at.
I stand by my position that letting them effectively run the country was a bad idea. It ruined things to the point that the Revolution happened.

Fair enough, I'll admit they made shit statesmen.

As generals though, they were geniuses.

[Old Tyrannia]

#WilhelmIIDidNothingWrong

(While you're talking about monarchies that were wrongfully dissolved)

Well, there was this, and that of course, oh, and then there was that...

I mean, I actually quite like Wilhelm II, but there is plenty of legitimate scope for criticism of him. I certainly don't think the German monarchy should have been abolished in 1918, though it was perhaps not unreasonable to expect the Kaiser himself to abdicate.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

As an aside, yesterday was the 224th anniversary of the regicide of Louis XVI, King of France and Navarre. We've debated the topic of the French Revolution and Louis XVI's fate here before, but at the risk of furthering my apparently well-entrenched reputation as a sycophant for any and all monarchs I wanted to use this opportunity to remind the thread that Louis XVI did absolutely nothing wrong.

Well, actually, he did plenty of things wrong; but only in the sense that his actions were unwise. He never did anything that was wrong morally or, indeed, legally. May he rest in piece.

I always felt a little bad for Louis as a person. Reading about him, he always struck me as a people-pleaser who really did want to do the right thing by his country - a solid 6/10 king who with better, more coherent advisors and in better times probably would have carried through just fine.

[Engleberg]

#WilhelmIIDidNothingWrong

(While you're talking about monarchies that were wrongfully dissolved)

If Willie didn't try so hard to overcompensate there would still be a German Empire.

I mean, you know you've got issues when most of your extended family mocks you behind your back.

Food for thought.

That is true, Willy did a little too much. I mostly use that pound sign as a joke. It's unfortunate that WWI and his overcompensation was the cause of the fall of the greatest European states (Prussia, German Empire).

[Sanctissima]

#WilhelmIIDidNothingWrong

(While you're talking about monarchies that were wrongfully dissolved)

Well, there was this, and that of course, oh, and then there was that...

I mean, I actually quite like Wilhelm II, but there is plenty of legitimate scope for criticism of him. I certainly don't think the German monarchy should have been abolished in 1918, though it was perhaps not unreasonable to expect the Kaiser himself to abdicate.

To be fair, in terms of the latter, he was expecting Austria to attack Serbia soon, while public opinion was still in their favour. He didn't expect them to wait a full month after the assassination before they issued their ultimatum to Serbia.

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

Yeah, and that's about all they were good at.
I stand by my position that letting them effectively run the country was a bad idea. It ruined things to the point that the Revolution happened.

Fair enough, I'll admit they made shit statesmen.

As generals though, they were geniuses.

That they were. Tannenburg was a pretty badass battle.

[Old Tyrannia]

Well, there was this, and that of course, oh, and then there was that...

I mean, I actually quite like Wilhelm II, but there is plenty of legitimate scope for criticism of him. I certainly don't think the German monarchy should have been abolished in 1918, though it was perhaps not unreasonable to expect the Kaiser himself to abdicate.

To be fair, in terms of the latter, he was expecting Austria to attack Serbia soon, while public opinion was still in their favour. He didn't expect them to wait a full month after the assassination before they issued their ultimatum to Serbia.

He also advised Austria-Hungary to accept Serbia's response to the ultimatum, which he thought was more reasonable than could have been expected. Franz Josef thought much the same way, but caved in to the advice of his Austrian ministers (notably, the Hungarians were against the war from the start).

[Conscentia]

If you like Old Tyrannia's poll suggestion, it would be helpful if I had suggestions for the poll options.

Anyone think it's time for a new poll? If so, what do you suggest?

It might be interesting to ask the denizens of the RWDT to select their favourite significant left-wing figures/leaders.

[Old Tyrannia]

If you like Old Tyrannia's poll suggestion, it would be helpful if I had suggestions for the poll options.

It might be interesting to ask the denizens of the RWDT to select their favourite significant left-wing figures/leaders.

As long as Clement Attlee is up there, I'll be elated.

[The East Marches]

To be fair, in terms of the latter, he was expecting Austria to attack Serbia soon, while public opinion was still in their favour. He didn't expect them to wait a full month after the assassination before they issued their ultimatum to Serbia.

He also advised Austria-Hungary to accept Serbia's response to the ultimatum, which he thought was more reasonable than could have been expected. Franz Josef thought much the same way, but caved in to the advice of his Austrian ministers (notably, the Hungarians were against the war from the start).

The Serbians are the real villains of WW1 tbh

[Nekoyama]

As an aside, yesterday was the 224th anniversary of the regicide of Louis XVI, King of France and Navarre. We've debated the topic of the French Revolution and Louis XVI's fate here before, but at the risk of furthering my apparently well-entrenched reputation as a sycophant for any and all monarchs I wanted to use this opportunity to remind the thread that Louis XVI did absolutely nothing wrong.

Well, actually, he did plenty of things wrong; but only in the sense that his actions were unwise. He never did anything that was wrong morally or, indeed, legally. May he rest in piece.

Besides trying to invade his own country with foreign forces, which might not have been illegal by his self-imposed law, but was certainly treason in the moral sense.

[Hroudesreich]

As an aside, yesterday was the 224th anniversary of the regicide of Louis XVI, King of France and Navarre. We've debated the topic of the French Revolution and Louis XVI's fate here before, but at the risk of furthering my apparently well-entrenched reputation as a sycophant for any and all monarchs I wanted to use this opportunity to remind the thread that Louis XVI did absolutely nothing wrong.

Well, actually, he did plenty of things wrong; but only in the sense that his actions were unwise. He never did anything that was wrong morally or, indeed, legally. May he rest in piece.

He deserved what he got tbh. And he was found guilty of several crimes by the courts if I recall correctly.

[United Marxist Nations]

It might be interesting to ask the denizens of the RWDT to select their favourite significant left-wing figures/leaders.

Ten bucks says UMN's is Bernie Sanders.

Boy are you wrong.

[Nekoyama]

It might be interesting to ask the denizens of the RWDT to select their favourite significant left-wing figures/leaders.

Ten bucks says UMN's is Bernie Sanders.

Sanders is much more competent.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Ten bucks says UMN's is Bernie Sanders.

Boy are you wrong.

My second guess is Vladimir Lenin then.

[United Marxist Nations]

Boy are you wrong.

My second guess is Vladimir Lenin then.

You are again wrong. The Left Winger I admire most is Ho Chi Minh.

[The East Marches]

My second guess is Vladimir Lenin then.

You are again wrong. The Left Winger I admire most is Ho Chi Minh.

You missed a chance to troll with a mad baron reference. 0/10

[Conserative Morality]

As an aside, yesterday was the 224th anniversary of the regicide of Louis XVI, King of France and Navarre. We've debated the topic of the French Revolution and Louis XVI's fate here before, but at the risk of furthering my apparently well-entrenched reputation as a sycophant for any and all monarchs I wanted to use this opportunity to remind the thread that Louis XVI did absolutely nothing wrong.

Well, actually, he did plenty of things wrong; but only in the sense that his actions were unwise. He never did anything that was wrong morally or, indeed, legally. May he rest in piece.

King Louis XVI was a coward, and cowardice is one of the greatest of all moral transgressions.

[Nekoyama]

As an aside, yesterday was the 224th anniversary of the regicide of Louis XVI, King of France and Navarre. We've debated the topic of the French Revolution and Louis XVI's fate here before, but at the risk of furthering my apparently well-entrenched reputation as a sycophant for any and all monarchs I wanted to use this opportunity to remind the thread that Louis XVI did absolutely nothing wrong.

Well, actually, he did plenty of things wrong; but only in the sense that his actions were unwise. He never did anything that was wrong morally or, indeed, legally. May he rest in piece.

King Louis XVI was a coward, and cowardice is one of the greatest of all moral transgressions.

It's almost like heredity does not determine character, and that choosing your rulers based on the former is a bad idea.

[Dai Shima]

My second guess is Vladimir Lenin then.

You are again wrong. The Left Winger I admire most is Ho Chi Minh.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

My second guess is Vladimir Lenin then.

You are again wrong. The Left Winger I admire most is Ho Chi Minh.

That was gonna be my second guess.

[Herskerstad]

As an aside, yesterday was the 224th anniversary of the regicide of Louis XVI, King of France and Navarre. We've debated the topic of the French Revolution and Louis XVI's fate here before, but at the risk of furthering my apparently well-entrenched reputation as a sycophant for any and all monarchs I wanted to use this opportunity to remind the thread that Louis XVI did absolutely nothing wrong.

Well, actually, he did plenty of things wrong; but only in the sense that his actions were unwise. He never did anything that was wrong morally or, indeed, legally. May he rest in piece.

King Louis XVI was a coward, and cowardice is one of the greatest of all moral transgressions.

Not a big fan of the later Louis family, but at least he was not as jaw-dropping a hypocrite as Robespierre.

[Old Tyrannia]

As an aside, yesterday was the 224th anniversary of the regicide of Louis XVI, King of France and Navarre. We've debated the topic of the French Revolution and Louis XVI's fate here before, but at the risk of furthering my apparently well-entrenched reputation as a sycophant for any and all monarchs I wanted to use this opportunity to remind the thread that Louis XVI did absolutely nothing wrong.

Well, actually, he did plenty of things wrong; but only in the sense that his actions were unwise. He never did anything that was wrong morally or, indeed, legally. May he rest in piece.

Besides trying to invade his own country with foreign forces, which might not have been illegal by his self-imposed law, but was certainly treason in the moral sense.

Treason is a legal term, not a moral one. One cannot commit treason "in the moral sense," and it is not legally treason for a head of state to seek external assistance to suppress an armed insurrection.

He deserved what he got tbh. And he was found guilty of several crimes by the courts if I recall correctly.

He was found "guilty" by a a revolutionary kangaroo court with no legitimate authority, sure. That's not justice, that's a glorified lynching.

King Louis XVI was a coward, and cowardice is one of the greatest of all moral transgressions.

Ignoring the fact that you apparently think that cowardice is a worse moral transgression than murder, rape or thievery, I don't see how Louis XVI was on any sense a coward. Indecisive and weak-willed, maybe, but not a coward. On the contrary, first-hand accounts recall that he met his death at the guillotine with tremendous courage and dignity, as did Marie Antoinette.

King Louis XVI was a coward, and cowardice is one of the greatest of all moral transgressions.

It's almost like heredity does not determine character, and that choosing your rulers based on the former is a bad idea.

Actually, the idea that heredity and genetics play a role in determining character traits has some scientific support. That aside, however, that's not and never has been my own justification for supporting hereditary institutions.

[Saikaya]

The Humanity Declaration was a mistake.

[Nekoyama]

The Humanity Declaration was a mistake.

Says the person with the Kita Ikki avatar.