Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[Gim]

You mean the Puritanism, not Calvinism? Calvinism happened only in Europe, am I wrong?

Puritans were Calvinists (more in line with the Dutch and Scottish kind than the Swiss kind).

The real question is though, shall we tolerate the Lutherans? They stabbed us in the back several times in the wars against Catholics.

Well, it's not as Lutherans are taking any money or living an unnecessary, opulent lifestyle or anything.

[The Sauganash Union]

Puritans were Calvinists (more in line with the Dutch and Scottish kind than the Swiss kind).

The real question is though, shall we tolerate the Lutherans? They stabbed us in the back several times in the wars against Catholics.

Well, it's not as Lutherans are taking any money or living an unnecessary, opulent lifestyle or anything.

That would be the Catholic hierarchy.

But during the European wars of religion, Lutheran monarchs in Germany were hellbent on persecuting Calvinists and other Radical Reformists like Anabaptists.

[Gim]

Well, it's not as Lutherans are taking any money or living an unnecessary, opulent lifestyle or anything.

That would be the Catholic hierarchy.

But during the European wars of religion, Lutheran monarchs in Germany were hellbent on persecuting Calvinists and other Radical Reformists like Anabaptists.

Hmm, I see. Fair enough.

[The Sauganash Union]

That would be the Catholic hierarchy.

But during the European wars of religion, Lutheran monarchs in Germany were hellbent on persecuting Calvinists and other Radical Reformists like Anabaptists.

Hmm, I see. Fair enough.

I'm mostly being playful here. My neighbor is an Evangelical Lutheran, and we get shitfaced a lot.

[Individual Thought Patterns]

The best right wing revolution is the British Restoration. It didn't involve much actual revolution - but that is partly the point, as revolutions are inherently left wing and usually disasters.

False. The Restoration was a Catholic coup and subversion of English liberty, propagated by the French and the Irish, eternal enemies of Britain. While Cromwell was smiling upon from heaven, William III of Orange carried out the Lord's work and finished what Cromwell intended.

Calvinism or bust.

Lutheranism or bust*.

[Gim]

Hmm, I see. Fair enough.

I'm mostly being playful here. My neighbor is an Evangelical Lutheran, and we get shitfaced a lot.

The War of Christianity.

[Herskerstad]

Hmm, I see. Fair enough.

I'm mostly being playful here. My neighbor is an Evangelical Lutheran, and we get shitfaced a lot.

Among Luther's work, two things stand out. His work on the bondage of the will, and his original micro-brewery. He invented essentially the man-cave.

[Old Tyrannia]

The best right wing revolution is the British Restoration. It didn't involve much actual revolution - but that is partly the point, as revolutions are inherently left wing and usually disasters.

False. The Restoration was a Catholic coup and subversion of English liberty, propagated by the French and the Irish, eternal enemies of Britain. While Cromwell was smiling upon from heaven, William III of Orange carried out the Lord's work and finished what Cromwell intended.

Calvinism or bust.

Get your non-conformism out of my English church, Roundhead. Give me Laudianism or give me death.

For Queen, Church and Sacheverell!

[Moubarakistan]

It is a nice idea to create such a thread.

Should be on the forum more often

[Herskerstad]

I prefer Protestantism to Calvinism. Calvinism seems to be an austere version of Protestantism.

Calvinism built the modern world. Low church Episcopalians and Presbyterians put America on their backs and climbed the hill upon which to build the shining city, while our brethren in Britain and the Netherlands went about inventing capitalism.

We gotta be a bit careful when we throw around terms like 'inventing capitalism.' It's true that certain Calvinistic societies were the first to really understand a few key components, such as having credit constantly available, having credit be in motion as much as it could be and having credit re-invested into community, there are certain facets which we can attribute to the society and the idea of Calvinism.

What made Calvinism as an idea stand out in the financial realm can probably be traced back to Calvin's own sermon on the merchant. A few key distinctions were made there and in such legitimised. On the issue of usury, he distinguished between lending to the poor which should not require interest, and to the rich which should require such. This was still an age where Jews were given almost a monopoly on such since it was seen as immoral for Christians at least in the Roman Catholic sense, not that it stopped the vatican from connecting with the Medici which in fairness was a move that had some thrift in it. Yet banking within charity, and later to fall under the preview of civil society, was one of the major steps which had to some degree already developed in the Netherlands and the Swiss now had both a stately and theological sanction, which operated both on the requirements of currency and charitable metrics.

Then there is the issue of accumulation, now it's not as if Calvinistic societies were the only societies were individuals managed to get a hold of extraordinary sums of money, but this is where Weber makes his inroads into the direct influence of Calvinistic thought. Having gained large sums of money as an individual or institution is not evidence of immorality in itself, provided the excess money is used for good and charitable ends and not merely locked up in vaults. This is one of the elements which made Capitalism perpetual as it's not simply the openess to free trade, of which he influenced little, but rather the investment back into society as a social requirement, which he influenced a lot. A person who manages to earn a great deal, and spends from this generously in regards to his portion as in will to improve the life of those whom have little is not behaving in an unfaithful manner, and the merchant's job rather entails that there is a drive to maximize profits without exploiting what the poor require as basic goods.

Now that's not to say that Calvinism encouraged at all points exceptional spending habits, it was not rare for the puritans to seek to either have no luxury goods or have them, but demand them be free, and you need not be an economist to know what the trouble is in that regard. And a good argument can be made that whereas Calvin influenced what would become modern capitalism, John Knox influenced what would be known as the modern state. In particular his drive, successful only after his life had ended, to institute schools that were available and accessible from all parts of the realms made the step from monastic schooling to essentially the early public schooling, a drive which was even more successful there than in said Movaria with Comenius and contributed to making Scotland, not a nation renowned for it economic practices, arguably the first modern state in Europe. Of course there were other factors, some going entirely against the Presbyterian thrift IE the Stuarts war on the church, but nevertheless it had a significant impact on the priorities of the state, and then you got Locke, parlimentarianism, and all that jazz.

[The East Marches II]

You mean the Puritanism, not Calvinism? Calvinism happened only in Europe, am I wrong?

Puritans were Calvinists (more in line with the Dutch and Scottish kind than the Swiss kind).

The real question is though, shall we tolerate the Lutherans? They stabbed us in the back several times in the wars against Catholics.

>mfw somebody finally figured out we're just PapistLite

Make sure to bully your friend for being a liberal due to his Church's positions.

[Herskerstad]

False. The Restoration was a Catholic coup and subversion of English liberty, propagated by the French and the Irish, eternal enemies of Britain. While Cromwell was smiling upon from heaven, William III of Orange carried out the Lord's work and finished what Cromwell intended.

Calvinism or bust.

Get your non-conformism out of my English church, Roundhead. Give me Laudianism or give me death.

For Queen, Church and Sacheverell!

Obligatory viewing.

https://youtu.be/bx27wa0SpN4?t=45

[The East Marches II]

False. The Restoration was a Catholic coup and subversion of English liberty, propagated by the French and the Irish, eternal enemies of Britain. While Cromwell was smiling upon from heaven, William III of Orange carried out the Lord's work and finished what Cromwell intended.

Calvinism or bust.

Get your non-conformism out of my English church, Roundhead. Give me Laudianism or give me death.

For Queen, Church and Sacheverell!

Cromwell was right on his judgement of men and organizing.

"I had rather have a plain, russet-coated Captain, that knows what he fights for, and loves what he knows, than that which you call a Gentle-man and is nothing else"

Herskerstad ninja'd me on the vid. Good work my man.

[Herskerstad]

Get your non-conformism out of my English church, Roundhead. Give me Laudianism or give me death.

For Queen, Church and Sacheverell!

Cromwell was right on his judgement of men and organizing.

"I had rather have a plain, russet-coated Captain, that knows what he fights for, and loves what he knows, than that which you call a Gentle-man and is nothing else"

When it comes to glorious revolutions. There is Cromwell which picked the RIGHT way, and the royalists which went about it in a truly headless manner.

[Luminesa]

Cromwell was right on his judgement of men and organizing.

"I had rather have a plain, russet-coated Captain, that knows what he fights for, and loves what he knows, than that which you call a Gentle-man and is nothing else"

When it comes to glorious revolutions. There is Cromwell which picked the RIGHT way, and the royalists which went about it in a truly headless manner.

That trollface...oh my gosh...

[The East Marches II]

Cromwell was right on his judgement of men and organizing.

"I had rather have a plain, russet-coated Captain, that knows what he fights for, and loves what he knows, than that which you call a Gentle-man and is nothing else"

When it comes to glorious revolutions. There is Cromwell which picked the RIGHT way, and the royalists which went about it in a truly headless manner.

Sensible Chuckle/10

[Herskerstad]

When it comes to glorious revolutions. There is Cromwell which picked the RIGHT way, and the royalists which went about it in a truly headless manner.

That trollface...oh my gosh...

I am keeping it. It's perfect.

[Luminesa]

Puritans were Calvinists (more in line with the Dutch and Scottish kind than the Swiss kind).

The real question is though, shall we tolerate the Lutherans? They stabbed us in the back several times in the wars against Catholics.

>mfw somebody finally figured out we're just PapistLite

Make sure to bully your friend for being a liberal due to his Church's positions.

MY EARS. IT IS TOO EARLY FOR THIS.

[Herskerstad]

>mfw somebody finally figured out we're just PapistLite

Make sure to bully your friend for being a liberal due to his Church's positions.

MY EARS. IT IS TOO EARLY FOR THIS.

Rip headphones.

[Luminesa]

MY EARS. IT IS TOO EARLY FOR THIS.

Rip headphones.

DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THEM IN.

OH GOSH I KNOW I WOKE-UP SOMEBODY. XD

[The East Marches II]

>mfw somebody finally figured out we're just PapistLite

Make sure to bully your friend for being a liberal due to his Church's positions.

MY EARS. IT IS TOO EARLY FOR THIS.

Same reaction the French had at Rossbach tbh. I'm noticing a trend here.

[Luminesa]

MY EARS. IT IS TOO EARLY FOR THIS.

Same reaction the French had at Rossbach tbh. I'm noticing a trend here.

CURSE YOU FREDERICK!!! YOU AND YOUR FABULOUS MILITARY!!!

[The East Marches II]

Same reaction the French had at Rossbach tbh. I'm noticing a trend here.

CURSE YOU FREDERICK!!! YOU AND YOUR FABULOUS MILITARY!!!

Before anybody bullies, Frederick wasn't gay. That was just Voltaire shitposting back in the day.

[Napkiraly]

CURSE YOU FREDERICK!!! YOU AND YOUR FABULOUS MILITARY!!!

Before anybody bullies, Frederick wasn't gay. That was just Voltaire shitposting back in the day.

Pretty sure old Freddy was a bum bandit.

[Luminesa]

CURSE YOU FREDERICK!!! YOU AND YOUR FABULOUS MILITARY!!!

Before anybody bullies, Frederick wasn't gay. That was just Voltaire shitposting back in the day.

...Not the 'fabulous' I was going for, but okay. Good to know.

Also, does that bolded part shock anyone?