Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[Old Tyrannia]

Question about the poll- is it really fair to call the Boxer Rebellion right-wing? It was reactionary, sure, but does that qualify it as right-wing?

What about it wasn't right-wing? It was a monarchist, nationalist and traditionalist uprising.

Given that England is still ruled by the descendants of it's French conquerors, you could say France is still England's sugar.

It's iffy whether the Normans can even be considered "French" considering that they were descended from Vikings that were given land in the north of France by the French monarchy and never really behaved like they were beholden to the King of France.

We need the energy to rule the world.

All you frenchies have is stale bread and cigarettes.

>tfw when we're 4 ranks behind you
Also stale bread is at least bread. I wouldn't be kind enough toward British bakers nor insulting enough toward those of the rest of the world to dare call """bread""" the unholy infamy you lot prepare.

(While the rest is banter, I'm actually serious on this point. While the rest of your cuisine go from meh to great, the English bread truly is disgusting and I had a really hard time not puking when eating it when I went to London for a school trip.)

The same goes for what you continentals call "cornflakes."

Also, a friendly reminder that as much as Yanks might like to call themselves "Anglos" (which isn't even a word and certainly not one any true Englishman would use), they're actually of extremely mixed stock with more Americans identifying as German or Irish Americans than English Americans. Their vain efforts to associate themselves with the older and superior civilisation should not be taken seriously.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

That's why France-England relationship is so cute. Fighting and being friends at the same time.

England confirmed as worst Tsundere EVER!

French author José-Alain Fralon characterised the relationship between the countries by describing the British as "our most dear enemies"

[The Blaatschapen]

LDT is innocent in all this.

They are Europe while we are america.

They must accept the edicts of Grand Mufti Hoppe and Fedayen Al-Hayeek. Until then, they will be asked for the financing by making them sign a contract with that in the boilerplate. LWDT will provide the labor.

(mods no bully this is a joke)

Not bullying, but being ontopic is important.

[Aelex]

It's iffy whether the Normans can even be considered "French" considering that they were descended from Vikings that were given land in the north of France by the French monarchy and never really behaved like they were beholden to the King of France.

Viking immigration was so limited in size and time that it influenced neither the local language, culture nor even ethnicity.
The Vikings merely married into the local noble families and integrated themselves to the already existing feudal system.

And, to be fair, as for not behaving like they were beholden to the King of France, that's pretty much every Territorial Prince of France until the late 12th/ early 13th century, honestly.
Feudalism was the strongest here as the King was but a Primus inter pares in France whose position was not at all akin to the Emperor's one in the HRE nor even the English King in England.

The same goes for what you continentals call "cornflakes."

Also, a friendly reminder that as much as Yanks might like to call themselves "Anglos" (which isn't even a word and certainly not one any true Englishman would use), they're actually of extremely mixed stock with more Americans identifying as German or Irish Americans than English Americans. Their vain efforts to associate themselves with the older and superior civilisation should not be taken seriously.

Hé, fair enough for both.

[Husseinarti]

>superior civilization



I mean, the UK should take pride in being the world's largest air strip for the United States Air Force.

[American Imperial Realm]

America would not exist if not for white immigrants from the UK.

I mean, shit, what do you think the founding of our country would be like without the UK? You probably couldn't understand the language, anyway.

[Great Minarchistan]

Who's gonna be paying for it?

LWDT/LDT

Don't you dare treading on the sneks

We will move to the right authoritarian quadrant and bite your... legs?

[Husseinarti]

America would not exist if not for white immigrants from the UK.

I mean, shit, what do you think the founding of our country would be like without the UK? You probably couldn't understand the language, anyway.

What point are you trying to make? That because they set the foundation their civilization is better?

Thats p silly.

[Questers]

To the extent that they are a civilisation, British and American civilisation are barely distinguishable. Joint language, religion, school of philosophy - and the fact their political systems have a joint origin - are basically the foundations.

America and Britain are or were both English-speaking, Protestant, constitutionally democratic, thassalocracies with political, economic and social elites who share similar schools of thought.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Is Bonapartism Right Wing? Was it Right Wing compared to the French Revolution?

[Luminesa]

Is Bonapartism Right Wing? Was it Right Wing compared to the French Revolution?

Well, Bonaparte was Right-Wing and essentially called for France to become the next HRE, and the French Revolution was a "progressive" movement against the monarchy that resulted in the deaths of millions of people. Sooooooooo...yeah.

[Neo Balka]

Is Bonapartism Right Wing? Was it Right Wing compared to the French Revolution?

Well, Bonaparte was Right-Wing and essentially called for France to become the next HRE, and the French Revolution was a "progressive" movement against the monarchy that resulted in the deaths of millions of people. Sooooooooo...yeah.

Catholic....Empire

[SCREAMS INTERNALLY]

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Is Bonapartism Right Wing? Was it Right Wing compared to the French Revolution?

Well, Bonaparte was Right-Wing and essentially called for France to become the next HRE, and the French Revolution was a "progressive" movement against the monarchy that resulted in the deaths of millions of people. Sooooooooo...yeah.

[citation needed]x10

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Is Bonapartism Right Wing? Was it Right Wing compared to the French Revolution?

Do you know the history of where left and right came to be political ideologies?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Is Bonapartism Right Wing? Was it Right Wing compared to the French Revolution?

Do you know the history of where left and right came to be political ideologies?

The French Revolution, yes. But I am unsure where Napoleon (or, rather, the system he created) would fit on that political spectrum.

[Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire]

"All Stalin flags are post-ironic"
what the fuck? Irony is built upon a contradiction of someone's expectations. There is contradiction, partial contradiction, and compliance with expectations.
After irony there can only be an increasing lack of irony, not some new insanity that is neither ironic nor sincere, nor bullshit.
So what is the sentiment in choosing a flag of Stalin?

[United Muscovite Nations]

"All Stalin flags are post-ironic"
what the fuck? Irony is built upon a contradiction of someone's expectations. There is contradiction, partial contradiction, and compliance with expectations.
After irony there can only be an increasing lack of irony, not some new insanity that is neither ironic nor sincere, nor bullshit.
So what is the sentiment in choosing a flag of Stalin?

It's a fucking meme, bruh.

[Grand Britannia]

"All Stalin flags are post-ironic"
what the fuck? Irony is built upon a contradiction of someone's expectations. There is contradiction, partial contradiction, and compliance with expectations.
After irony there can only be an increasing lack of irony, not some new insanity that is neither ironic nor sincere, nor bullshit.
So what is the sentiment in choosing a flag of Stalin?

You sound like you're fun at parties.

[Nekotani]

Is Bonapartism Right Wing? Was it Right Wing compared to the French Revolution?

Well, Bonaparte was Right-Wing and essentially called for France to become the next HRE, and the French Revolution was a "progressive" movement against the monarchy that resulted in the deaths of millions of people. Sooooooooo...yeah.

It being progressive isn't really in dispute.

TIL that attempts to overthrow oppressive monarchies is not going to involve lots of casualties.

[Antoura]

I'm all about the Boxer Rebellion. Their gongfu was strong.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I'm all about the Boxer Rebellion. Their gongfu was strong.

"How do we drive out the Europeans?"
"By getting swole"

[Antoura]

I'm all about the Boxer Rebellion. Their gongfu was strong.

"How do we drive out the Europeans?"
"By getting swole"

Also, magical amulets.

[Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire]

"All Stalin flags are post-ironic"
what the fuck? Irony is built upon a contradiction of someone's expectations. There is contradiction, partial contradiction, and compliance with expectations.
After irony there can only be an increasing lack of irony, not some new insanity that is neither ironic nor sincere, nor bullshit.
So what is the sentiment in choosing a flag of Stalin?

You sound like you're fun at parties.

So much fun at parties.
Especially the ones where there exists mass grinding.

[Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire]

I'm all about the Boxer Rebellion. Their gongfu was strong.

It shall last forever in history, not so much in monuments commemorating their victory.

[Nekotani]

Do you know the history of where left and right came to be political ideologies?

The French Revolution, yes. But I am unsure where Napoleon (or, rather, the system he created) would fit on that political spectrum.

It had both conservative and progressive elements, could probably be called conservative revolutionary.