Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[36 Camera Perspective]

You can ask the slaves if they'd rather be in Africa or America.

I can't ask them, they're dead. I can ask their descendants, though. Would you like to stay here in America, or do you think your opportunities would be better in the democratic people's republic of the Congo or sudan?

Have you heard of a little thing called recorded history?

[Great Minarchistan]

Then Botswana population IQ is over 9000.

KEK

(that's Mansa Musa from Mali IIRC?)

[Conserative Morality]

Hol' hol' up, so you be sayin' dat...

we wuz kangz and shieet?

Ah, a good old /pol/ meme. Nothing like racism in the morning.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Wrong. While European nations had their fair share of raping Africa, most problems were developed when they became independent nations. You can easily check that once you view the amount of (socialist?) dictatorships there. On the other hand, Botswana is the fastest growing African nation and can easily excel many other developing countries, such as Zimbabwe, their (inflationary) neighbour.

Africa was underdeveloped compared to Europe, and thus was vulnerable to colonization, because of their geographic and weather issues. For example, the warm weather of Central Africa was prime for disease. Other areas in similar climate had similar issues.

Another issue is the isolation of Africa. The Sahara desert, for example, the deep jungles of the Congo. For many millenium, the tribes of Africa wandered the plains and deserts as nomadic tribesmen. Similar to the conditions in North America before the colonists, they did not settle down into agricultural communities and develop cities like Europe did until after colonization. That stunted their growth and allowed stronger, centralized European states to take advantage of tribal Africa.

White men did not go into Africa and steal black people for slaves, usually other black tribes sold captured enemies as slaves in return for modern weapons or supplies.

The problems of Africa predate European colonization, and did not stem from it. Though it may have exacerbated in some ways, European colonialism also had positive effects on Africa, too. The legacy of colonial education and infrastructural development definitely helped Africa in some ways.

Excuse me, but Romans and Greeks were not white

[Conserative Morality]

Mugabe expelled white people by taking their lands in 2000. The country went to shit and now he wants them to come back.

Yeah, Zimbabwe wasn't exactly in great straits before 2000.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Hol' hol' up, so you be sayin' dat...

we wuz kangz and shieet?

Ah, a good old /pol/ meme. Nothing like racism in the morning.

Oh shit where do you live bud?

[Luminesa]

Africa was underdeveloped compared to Europe, and thus was vulnerable to colonization, because of their geographic and weather issues. For example, the warm weather of Central Africa was prime for disease. Other areas in similar climate had similar issues.

Another issue is the isolation of Africa. The Sahara desert, for example, the deep jungles of the Congo. For many millenium, the tribes of Africa wandered the plains and deserts as nomadic tribesmen. Similar to the conditions in North America before the colonists, they did not settle down into agricultural communities and develop cities like Europe did until after colonization. That stunted their growth and allowed stronger, centralized European states to take advantage of tribal Africa.

White men did not go into Africa and steal black people for slaves, usually other black tribes sold captured enemies as slaves in return for modern weapons or supplies.

The problems of Africa predate European colonization, and did not stem from it. Though it may have exacerbated in some ways, European colonialism also had positive effects on Africa, too. The legacy of colonial education and infrastructural development definitely helped Africa in some ways.

Excuse me, but Romans and Greeks were not white

...They were Southern-Europeans who had been settled in their lands for thousands of years. They had light skin. Ask any historian.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Mugabe expelled white people by taking their lands in 2000. The country went to shit and now he wants them to come back.

Yeah, Zimbabwe wasn't exactly in great straits before 2000.

Yeah and expelling Europeans really helped their economy.

[Conserative Morality]

Excuse me, but Romans and Greeks were not white

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Romans and Greeks weren't white.

By the time 'whiteness' as a concept came about, very often the 'Mediterranean' races were excluded from the categorization.

Oh shit where do you live bud?

America.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Excuse me, but Romans and Greeks were not white

...They were Southern-Europeans who had been settled in their lands for thousands of years. They had light skin. Ask any historian.

..it's a meme, lol. Black supremacists actually believe this though. No kidding.

[Conserative Morality]

...They were Southern-Europeans who had been settled in their lands for thousands of years. They had light skin. Ask any historian.

Define 'light skin'. They weren't exactly super-Aryans, and there was a good deal of racial admixture in Southern Europe even before the modern era.

[Conserative Morality]

Yeah and expelling Europeans really helped their economy.

What the fuck does that have to do with the original point?

Wrong. While European nations had their fair share of raping Africa, most problems were developed when they became independent nations.

[citation needed]

Are you just rambling now?

[Great Minarchistan]

... no. Most problems started with European influence, since before European influence, most of these countries weren't united in any sense to share such problems. But no, please, blame 'tribalism' for European colonial borders, or 'independence' for an overwhelming reliance on export-based primary industry. That'll really clear things up.

While I agree African borders as well as any square border are annoying, the problems really started when those nations, once independent, took the path of socialism. It was the beginning of the end.

tf is that supposed to mean?

Well, according to your thesis that Europe planted the seeds for African socialism, then Botswana population must be intelligent since they became a right-wing country and are benefiting a lot from it.

[Great Minarchistan]

[citation needed]

Are you just rambling now?

what did I do now lmfao

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Excuse me, but Romans and Greeks were not white

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Romans and Greeks weren't white.

So you actually took the bait and played yourself. Any person with half the brain would know that Romans and Greeks were Caucasian.

[Luminesa]

...They were Southern-Europeans who had been settled in their lands for thousands of years. They had light skin. Ask any historian.

..it's a meme, lol. Black supremacists actually believe this though. No kidding.

Oh I know. Didn't know if you were being serious or not, sorry.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

..it's a meme, lol. Black supremacists actually believe this though. No kidding.

Oh I know. Didn't know if you were being serious or not, sorry.

Look at the post above.

[Greater United American Republics]

Zimbabwe with Mugabe "the Wise"

(sorry couldn't pass this opportunity)

Mugabe

Good ole' "Kill all the white farmers - ohwait, why are my people all starving!?!?" Mugabe.

[Conserative Morality]

Well, according to your thesis that Europe planted the seeds for African socialism, then Botswana population must be intelligent since they became a right-wing country and are benefiting a lot from it.

... but they didn't become a right-wing country? They're more socialist than the US. They've got universal healthcare, central planning, welfare systems, etc etc. They benefited from the paradox of plenty, or rather, the lack of it during the colonial period. Since significant resources in the country weren't discovered until the 70s, they didn't end up with a primary industry export-reliant economy upon independence.

[Conserative Morality]

So you actually took the bait and played yourself. Any person with half the brain would know that Romans and Greeks were Caucasian.

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Love that you ignored the rest of my post, and implied that caucasian and white are synonyms.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

So you actually took the bait and played yourself. Any person with half the brain would know that Romans and Greeks were Caucasian.

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Love that you ignored the rest of my post, and implied that caucasian and white are synonyms.

Oh, so all this discussion, you guys weren't referring to Europeans as whites until now. Ok.

[Luminesa]

Oh I know. Didn't know if you were being serious or not, sorry.

Look at the post above.

Ah right. Sorry.

[Conserative Morality]

Oh, so all this discussion, you guys weren't referring to Europeans as whites until now. Ok.

The fuck are you even trying to say?

[Great Minarchistan]

... but they didn't become a right-wing country?

(I wonder how can a party be center-right, conservative and member of the Socialist International at the same time...)

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm ... _id=290791

They're more socialist than the US.

At this point, who isn't?

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

KEK

(that's Mansa Musa from Mali IIRC?)

Alberto Barbosa from Age of Empires 2, where the meme started.