Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[Great Minarchistan]

We must enact a massive stimulus package to develop Africa! Flying dollars everywhere!

Just ask Zimbabwe; they're got trillions.

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[Individual Thought Patterns]

Erm.

We must enact a massive stimulus package to develop Africa! Flying dollars everywhere!

M a s s i v e

[36 Camera Perspective]

This had better be a joke.

Even if the slaves themselves were ungrateful, their descendants ought to be thankful they don't live in the Congo, Somalia or Sudan or somewhere else similar in Africa.

White people fucked up the Congo too.

[American Imperial Realm]

Even if the slaves themselves were ungrateful, their descendants ought to be thankful they don't live in the Congo, Somalia or Sudan or somewhere else similar in Africa.

White people fucked up the Congo too.

Not saying they didn't. I'm just saying Africans are better off in America than in Africa, by all measures.

[36 Camera Perspective]

White people fucked up the Congo too.

Not saying they didn't. I'm just saying Africans are better off in America than in Africa, by all measures.

I guess that's technically true, but without racism, imperialism, or colonialism, that probably wouldn't be true.

[American Imperial Realm]

Not saying they didn't. I'm just saying Africans are better off in America than in Africa, by all measures.

I guess that's technically true, but without racism, imperialism, or colonialism, that probably wouldn't be true.

Given the nature of Africa in terms of it's geography and weather, their isolation and tribalism, it would probably be always true. Europeans did not cause Africa's problems, merely took advantage of them.

[Great Minarchistan]

Not saying they didn't. I'm just saying Africans are better off in America than in Africa, by all measures.

I guess that's technically true, but without racism, imperialism, or colonialism, that probably wouldn't be true.

Wrong. While European nations had their fair share of raping Africa, most problems were developed when they became independent nations. You can easily check that once you view the amount of (socialist?) dictatorships there. On the other hand, Botswana is the fastest growing African nation and can easily excel many other developing countries, such as Zimbabwe, their (inflationary) neighbour.

[Luminesa]

This had better be a joke.

Even if the slaves themselves were ungrateful, their descendants ought to be thankful they don't live in the Congo, Somalia or Sudan or somewhere else similar in Africa.

And perhaps you should be thankful that you weren't forced to live in a squalor pit, to work ungodly hours to harvest sugar and cotton, and to be whipped until people could see your spine through your back, at the whim of some horrible plantation owner like these people. How dare you say that, "Slaves had it good." No. Slavery is an inherent evil, it is the systemic destruction of a group of people by reducing them to cattle, and if your genuine belief that this is a good thing is what is keeping our society from becoming truly great. I would advise you burn your computer and not type another word until God has broken your stone-cold heart and turned it to flesh.

[Greater United American Republics]

Even if the slaves themselves were ungrateful, their descendants ought to be thankful they don't live in the Congo, Somalia or Sudan or somewhere else similar in Africa.

White people fucked up the Congo too.

This was fully justified, communism is a disease.

[36 Camera Perspective]

White people fucked up the Congo too.

This was fully justified, communism is a disease.

I was talking about genocide.

[Conserative Morality]

Given the nature of Africa in terms of it's geography and weather, their isolation and tribalism, it would probably be always true. Europeans did not cause Africa's problems, merely took advantage of them.

On one hand, I want to go on and on about the development of empires and infrastructure before the invention of gunpowder upset the balance of power in favor of the Arab North African state and the discovery of the new world fueling a need for cheap labor relatively shortly thereafter.

On the other hand... I'm tired of going on those spiels.

[Conserative Morality]

Wrong. While European nations had their fair share of raping Africa, most problems were developed when they became independent nations.

[citation needed]

Having shittons of problems after independence /=/ most problems were developed during independence

You can easily check that once you view the amount of (socialist?) dictatorships there.

Ever consider that the circumstances made by colonialist powers planted the seeds for the poor conditions necessary for for a people to fall for Marx et co?

[American Imperial Realm]

I guess that's technically true, but without racism, imperialism, or colonialism, that probably wouldn't be true.

Wrong. While European nations had their fair share of raping Africa, most problems were developed when they became independent nations. You can easily check that once you view the amount of (socialist?) dictatorships there. On the other hand, Botswana is the fastest growing African nation and can easily excel many other developing countries, such as Zimbabwe, their (inflationary) neighbour.

Africa was underdeveloped compared to Europe, and thus was vulnerable to colonization, because of their geographic and weather issues. For example, the warm weather of Central Africa was prime for disease. Other areas in similar climate had similar issues.

Another issue is the isolation of Africa. The Sahara desert, for example, the deep jungles of the Congo. For many millenium, the tribes of Africa wandered the plains and deserts as nomadic tribesmen. Similar to the conditions in North America before the colonists, they did not settle down into agricultural communities and develop cities like Europe did until after colonization. That stunted their growth and allowed stronger, centralized European states to take advantage of tribal Africa.

White men did not go into Africa and steal black people for slaves, usually other black tribes sold captured enemies as slaves in return for modern weapons or supplies.

The problems of Africa predate European colonization, and did not stem from it. Though it may have exacerbated in some ways, European colonialism also had positive effects on Africa, too. The legacy of colonial education and infrastructural development definitely helped Africa in some ways.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Even if the slaves themselves were ungrateful, their descendants ought to be thankful they don't live in the Congo, Somalia or Sudan or somewhere else similar in Africa.

White people fucked up the Congo too.

Nah black people fucked up Congo after whites left. Zimbabwe with Mugabe "the Wise" and soon South Africa with Jacob Zuma "the Revolutionary"

[Great Minarchistan]

[citation needed]

Having shittons of problems after independence /=/ most problems were developed during independence

During independence, after independence, whatever. Thing is, most problems happened when there wasn't European influence.

Ever consider that the circumstances made by colonialist powers planted the seeds for the poor conditions necessary for for a people to fall for Marx et co?

Then Botswana population IQ is over 9000.

[American Imperial Realm]

Even if the slaves themselves were ungrateful, their descendants ought to be thankful they don't live in the Congo, Somalia or Sudan or somewhere else similar in Africa.

And perhaps you should be thankful that you weren't forced to live in a squalor pit, to work ungodly hours to harvest sugar and cotton, and to be whipped until people could see your spine through your back, at the whim of some horrible plantation owner like these people. How dare you say that, "Slaves had it good." No. Slavery is an inherent evil, it is the systemic destruction of a group of people by reducing them to cattle, and if your genuine belief that this is a good thing is what is keeping our society from becoming truly great. I would advise you burn your computer and not type another word until God has broken your stone-cold heart and turned it to flesh.

Given how life was in Central Africa, it was much better condition than native Africans. Though there were abuses in Slavery, there were many slaves who were not treated as harshly as that. There will always be people who abuse their 'property'. Having said that, Slaves in America were clothed and fed, and well taken care of.

A slave that had been whipped a lot lost a lot of his or her value. In fact, during slavery times, they would often take the shirts off the slaves to show how few times they had to whip them. Having no whip marks was the sign of a good slave. Whipping your slave to the bone was bad for business and hurt production and value.

I'm not saying Slavery was just or right, but it did better the lot of most Africans and their descendants. Even the most rudimentary education provided to a slave was superior to the zero education they got in Africa. Even the food they did receive for their backbreaking labour was guaranteed, unlike in Africa.

When they got sick or needed clothing, they were taken care of. Unlike in Africa.

I think you're underestimating just how shit Africa was in the 19th century. Most probably did not even make it to adulthood, and those that did probably didn't live past their early 20s. Disease and malnutrition were rife. No slave owner who wanted to get a return on the car-size loan they had to get for their slaves would mistreat them. Slaves were expensive luxuries.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Wrong. While European nations had their fair share of raping Africa, most problems were developed when they became independent nations.

[citation needed]

Mugabe expelled white people by taking their lands in 2000. The country went to shit and now he wants them to come back.

[36 Camera Perspective]

And perhaps you should be thankful that you weren't forced to live in a squalor pit, to work ungodly hours to harvest sugar and cotton, and to be whipped until people could see your spine through your back, at the whim of some horrible plantation owner like these people. How dare you say that, "Slaves had it good." No. Slavery is an inherent evil, it is the systemic destruction of a group of people by reducing them to cattle, and if your genuine belief that this is a good thing is what is keeping our society from becoming truly great. I would advise you burn your computer and not type another word until God has broken your stone-cold heart and turned it to flesh.

Given how life was in Central Africa, it was much better condition than native Africans. Though there were abuses in Slavery, there were many slaves who were not treated as harshly as that. There will always be people who abuse their 'property'. Having said that, Slaves in America were clothed and fed, and well taken care of.

A slave that had been whipped a lot lost a lot of his or her value. In fact, during slavery times, they would often take the shirts off the slaves to show how few times they had to whip them. Having no whip marks was the sign of a good slave. Whipping your slave to the bone was bad for business and hurt production and value.

I'm not saying Slavery was just or right, but it did better the lot of most Africans and their descendants. Even the most rudimentary education provided to a slave was superior to the zero education they got in Africa. Even the food they did receive for their backbreaking labour was guaranteed, unlike in Africa.

When they got sick or needed clothing, they were taken care of. Unlike in Africa.

You can ask the slaves if they'd rather be in Africa or America.

[36 Camera Perspective]

White people fucked up the Congo too.

Nah black people fucked up Congo after whites left. Zimbabwe with Mugabe "the Wise" and soon South Africa with Jacob Zuma "the Revolutionary"

I imagine having 1/3rd of your country wiped out from genocide forms the basis of a lot of problems.

[American Imperial Realm]

Given how life was in Central Africa, it was much better condition than native Africans. Though there were abuses in Slavery, there were many slaves who were not treated as harshly as that. There will always be people who abuse their 'property'. Having said that, Slaves in America were clothed and fed, and well taken care of.

A slave that had been whipped a lot lost a lot of his or her value. In fact, during slavery times, they would often take the shirts off the slaves to show how few times they had to whip them. Having no whip marks was the sign of a good slave. Whipping your slave to the bone was bad for business and hurt production and value.

I'm not saying Slavery was just or right, but it did better the lot of most Africans and their descendants. Even the most rudimentary education provided to a slave was superior to the zero education they got in Africa. Even the food they did receive for their backbreaking labour was guaranteed, unlike in Africa.

When they got sick or needed clothing, they were taken care of. Unlike in Africa.

You can ask the slaves if they'd rather be in Africa or America.

I can't ask them, they're dead. I can ask their descendants, though. Would you like to stay here in America, or do you think your opportunities would be better in the democratic people's republic of the Congo or sudan?

[Conserative Morality]

Africa was underdeveloped compared to Europe, and thus was vulnerable to colonization, because of their geographic and weather issues. For example, the warm weather of Central Africa was prime for disease. Other areas in similar climate had similar issues.

You mean like Italy and Greece? Daily reminder that the 'quartan ague' (malaria) was also known as 'Roman fever'.

Another issue is the isolation of Africa. The Sahara desert, for example, the deep jungles of the Congo. For many millenium, the tribes of Africa wandered the plains and deserts as nomadic tribesmen. Similar to the conditions in North America before the colonists, they did not settle down into agricultural communities and develop cities like Europe did until after colonization. That stunted their growth and allowed stronger, centralized European states to take advantage of tribal Africa.

Jesus. H. Christ.

White men did not go into Africa and steal black people for slaves, usually other black tribes sold captured enemies as slaves in return for modern weapons or supplies.

"Oh, we only bought slaves at gunpoint before stuffing them on ships and keeping them enslaved an ocean away, with only the whip and the noose to keep them in line."

Yes, much better.

The problems of Africa predate European colonization, and did not stem from it. Though it may have exacerbated in some ways, European colonialism also had positive effects on Africa, too. The legacy of colonial education and infrastructural development definitely helped Africa in some ways.

Yes, I'm sure that developing a primary industry reliant economy helped Africa immensely in its search to develop a sustainable economy come independence in the second half of the 20th century, when secondary industry was just beginning to fade from prominence in favor of tertiary industry.

A real leg-up, there.

[Great Minarchistan]

Zimbabwe with Mugabe "the Wise"

(sorry couldn't pass this opportunity)

Mugabe dab attempt:

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Then Botswana population IQ is over 9000.

[Kalifati Arab shqiptar]

Africa was underdeveloped compared to Europe, and thus was vulnerable to colonization, because of their geographic and weather issues. For example, the warm weather of Central Africa was prime for disease. Other areas in similar climate had similar issues.

You mean like Italy and Greece? Daily reminder that the 'quartan ague' (malaria) was also known as 'Roman fever'.

Another issue is the isolation of Africa. The Sahara desert, for example, the deep jungles of the Congo. For many millenium, the tribes of Africa wandered the plains and deserts as nomadic tribesmen. Similar to the conditions in North America before the colonists, they did not settle down into agricultural communities and develop cities like Europe did until after colonization. That stunted their growth and allowed stronger, centralized European states to take advantage of tribal Africa.

Jesus. H. Christ.

White men did not go into Africa and steal black people for slaves, usually other black tribes sold captured enemies as slaves in return for modern weapons or supplies.

"Oh, we only bought slaves at gunpoint before stuffing them on ships and keeping them enslaved an ocean away, with only the whip and the noose to keep them in line."

Yes, much better.

The problems of Africa predate European colonization, and did not stem from it. Though it may have exacerbated in some ways, European colonialism also had positive effects on Africa, too. The legacy of colonial education and infrastructural development definitely helped Africa in some ways.

Yes, I'm sure that developing a primary industry reliant economy helped Africa immensely in its search to develop a sustainable economy come independence in the second half of the 20th century, when secondary industry was just beginning to fade from prominence in favor of tertiary industry.

A real leg-up, there.

Hol' hol' up, so you be sayin' dat...

we wuz kangz and shieet?

[Conserative Morality]

During independence, after independence, whatever. Thing is, most problems happened when there wasn't European influence.

... no. Most problems started with European influence, since before European influence, most of these countries weren't united in any sense to share such problems. But no, please, blame 'tribalism' for European colonial borders, or 'independence' for an overwhelming reliance on export-based primary industry. That'll really clear things up.

Then Botswana population IQ is over 9000.

tf is that supposed to mean?