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Favourite Right-Wing Revolution/Uprising/Coup?

War In The Vendée, 1793 (France)
8
7%
Southern Secession, 1860 (USA)
18
15%
Boxer Rebellion, 1899 (China)
6
5%
March On Rome, 1922 (Italy)
15
12%
National Revolution, 1926 (Portugal)
1
1%
Spanish Nationalist Coup, 1936 (Spain)
16
13%
May 16 Coup, 1961 (S. Korea)
5
4%
Chilean Coup, 1973 (Chile)
14
11%
Autumn Of Nations, 1989 (International)
29
24%
Other (Please State)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 123

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:53 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:
'ey, Jefferson was a damn good president yo


You mean dismantled our fucking navy in the middle of a global war? No, he was shit.


Nah, just that third folk who made an investment that is worth trillions today.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:56 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
You mean dismantled our fucking navy in the middle of a global war? No, he was shit.


Nah, just that third folk who made an investment that is worth trillions today.


>Only achievement was concentrating executive power (because its ok if its him) and signing a deal with a cash strapped person in Europe

Anybody could have fleeced Napoleon. His Presidency had many more issues than that. Literally surface only analysis.

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Postby The Sauganash Union » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:59 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:
Nah, just that third folk who made an investment that is worth trillions today.


>Only achievement was concentrating executive power (because its ok if its him) and signing a deal with a cash strapped person in Europe

Anybody could have fleeced Napoleon. His Presidency had many more issues than that. Literally surface only analysis.


To talk about Jefferson's enemy:

I find it funny that liberals have psuedohistorical affinities for Alexander Hamilton, though.

The man advocated for what could be interpreted as a landed gentry within a republican context, was a nativist, and quite the authoritarian.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:01 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
>Only achievement was concentrating executive power (because its ok if its him) and signing a deal with a cash strapped person in Europe

Anybody could have fleeced Napoleon. His Presidency had many more issues than that. Literally surface only analysis.


To talk about Jefferson's enemy:

I find it funny that liberals have psuedohistorical affinities for Alexander Hamilton, though.

The man advocated for what could be interpreted as a landed gentry within a republican context, was a nativist, and quite the authoritarian.


Its the play Hamilton thats done it recently. "He would have totally been a modern liberal". Its just white washing for the modern era, no better than propaganda really. He was also a rum runner and tax evader. Something they don't generally approve of either. Have you seen the HBO series John Adams?

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:02 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:
'ey, Jefferson was a damn good president yo


You mean dismantled our fucking navy in the middle of a global war? No, he was shit.


Probably a good thing not to get involved in the Napoleonic wars.
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Postby Austrasien » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:03 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:To talk about Jefferson's enemy:

I find it funny that liberals have psuedohistorical affinities for Alexander Hamilton, though.

The man advocated for what could be interpreted as a landed gentry within a republican context, was a nativist, and quite the authoritarian.


Trump's economic plan is very Hamiltonian.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:04 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
You mean dismantled our fucking navy in the middle of a global war? No, he was shit.


Probably a good thing not to get involved in the Napoleonic wars.


Well armed neutrality in the midst of a global conflict is not a foolish policy. Being without defense and neutrality is a plainly stupid one.

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Postby The Sauganash Union » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:06 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:
To talk about Jefferson's enemy:

I find it funny that liberals have psuedohistorical affinities for Alexander Hamilton, though.

The man advocated for what could be interpreted as a landed gentry within a republican context, was a nativist, and quite the authoritarian.


Its the play Hamilton thats done it recently. "He would have totally been a modern liberal". Its just white washing for the modern era, no better than propaganda really. He was also a rum runner and tax evader. Something they don't generally approve of either. Have you seen the HBO series John Adams?


Hamilton is liberal revisionism and self-congratulation. Hamilton (the man) was very Nixonian in character (to retroactively use a term).

John Adams was a great series. Paul Giamatti really shone.
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:07 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Probably a good thing not to get involved in the Napoleonic wars.


Well armed neutrality in the midst of a global conflict is not a foolish policy. Being without defense and neutrality is a plainly stupid one.


This is where we must also criticize Hamilton. While the radical Democratic-Republicans wanted us to join on France's side, the radical Federalist wanted us to join on Britain's side. Neither option was conducive.

That being said, all hail James Monroe.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:07 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:
To talk about Jefferson's enemy:

I find it funny that liberals have psuedohistorical affinities for Alexander Hamilton, though.

The man advocated for what could be interpreted as a landed gentry within a republican context, was a nativist, and quite the authoritarian.


Its the play Hamilton thats done it recently. "He would have totally been a modern liberal". Its just white washing for the modern era, no better than propaganda really. He was also a rum runner and tax evader. Something they don't generally approve of either. Have you seen the HBO series John Adams?


Hamilton is Broadway grogshit.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:08 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Well armed neutrality in the midst of a global conflict is not a foolish policy. Being without defense and neutrality is a plainly stupid one.


This is where we must also criticize Hamilton. While the radical Democratic-Republicans wanted us to join on France's side, the radical Federalist wanted us to join on Britain's side. Neither option was conducive.

That being said, all hail James Monroe.


Yes I agree in both cases.

The Sauganash Union wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Its the play Hamilton thats done it recently. "He would have totally been a modern liberal". Its just white washing for the modern era, no better than propaganda really. He was also a rum runner and tax evader. Something they don't generally approve of either. Have you seen the HBO series John Adams?


Hamilton is liberal revisionism and self-congratulation. Hamilton (the man) was very Nixonian in character (to retroactively use a term).

John Adams was a great series. Paul Giamatti really shone.


Good man, you know your stuff.

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Postby The Sauganash Union » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:09 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:
This is where we must also criticize Hamilton. While the radical Democratic-Republicans wanted us to join on France's side, the radical Federalist wanted us to join on Britain's side. Neither option was conducive.

That being said, all hail James Monroe.


Yes I agree in both cases.

The Sauganash Union wrote:
Hamilton is liberal revisionism and self-congratulation. Hamilton (the man) was very Nixonian in character (to retroactively use a term).

John Adams was a great series. Paul Giamatti really shone.


Good man, you know your stuff.


Birds of a feather, my friend ;)
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:09 pm

The East Marches II wrote: His Presidency had many more issues than that. Literally surface only analysis.


Indeed, the trillion-dollar investment is just the first. He was also the main signer of American Independence, built American Minarchy, fought against debt and he also had neat speeches and quotes.
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:11 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
The East Marches II wrote: His Presidency had many more issues than that. Literally surface only analysis.


Indeed, the trillion-dollar investment is just the first. He was also the main signer of American Independence, built American Minarchy, fought against debt and he also had neat speeches and quotes.


Nearly all of this was before he was president. Jefferson's political peak was in the 1770s and 1780s. He was a great Founding Father, political philosopher, and revolutionary.

Not a very good executive.
A nation founded in the early 1800s by Federalist immigrants from the United States. Has since developed an identity of its own and imperial ambitions. Now a neoliberal imperial power that justifies its aggression by putting it the name of tolerance and social justice.


Handshakes and tie knots. I don't have time for someone who can't master these simple things.

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Postby Jelmatt » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:14 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
>Only achievement was concentrating executive power (because its ok if its him) and signing a deal with a cash strapped person in Europe

Anybody could have fleeced Napoleon. His Presidency had many more issues than that. Literally surface only analysis.


To talk about Jefferson's enemy:

I find it funny that liberals have psuedohistorical affinities for Alexander Hamilton, though.

The man advocated for what could be interpreted as a landed gentry within a republican context, was a nativist, and quite the authoritarian.


Yeah, I don't really get why they do it either. On the whole Hamilton's attitudes seem to have been fairly right-leaning, even if his (economic) policies aren't what we traditionally think of as "right-wing."
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:15 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:
Indeed, the trillion-dollar investment is just the first. He was also the main signer of American Independence, built American Minarchy, fought against debt and he also had neat speeches and quotes.


Nearly all of this was before he was president. Jefferson's political peak was in the 1770s and 1780s. He was a great Founding Father, political philosopher, and revolutionary.

Not a very good executive.


Louisiana purchase and debt fighting isn't nothing. A good part of American Minarchy was built during his terms either.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:16 pm

Jelmatt wrote:even if his (economic) policies aren't what we traditionally think of as "right-wing."


His economic policies were broadly keynesian, even though Keynes wasn't born at that time, kek.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:15 pm

It is a great day when a ANTIFA member gets BTFO'd.
The mere fact that i pissed someone off either means i stood for something or i said something offensive.
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Postby Individual Thought Patterns » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:06 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:even if his (economic) policies aren't what we traditionally think of as "right-wing."


His economic policies were broadly keynesian, even though Keynes wasn't born at that time, kek.

Coincidence? I think not.
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:27 pm

Individual Thought Patterns wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:
His economic policies were broadly keynesian, even though Keynes wasn't born at that time, kek.

Coincidence? I think not.


*aggregate demand intensifies*
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:36 pm

Neo Balka wrote:It is a great day when a ANTIFA member gets BTFO'd.

Hu Ha

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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:39 pm

Your move ISIS
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Postby Gim » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:39 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Individual Thought Patterns wrote:Coincidence? I think not.


*aggregate demand intensifies*


Man, the economics terms. I forgot most of them. :p
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:41 pm

Nekotani wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:I'd post pictures of the horrors of slavery, but judging by that response, it'd probably just give you an ideological woody.


Because nothing bad ever happened to African Americans ever again...

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Regressive agenda #7: Disregard Linear Time - Blur the past with the present so as to demonize modern people for the actions of their ancestors.

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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:44 pm

Kalifati Arab shqiptar wrote:
Nekotani wrote:
Because nothing bad ever happened to African Americans ever again...

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Regressive agenda #7: Disregard Linear Time - Blur the past with the present so as to demonize modern people for the actions of their ancestors.


You don't think the current economic inequalities faced by blacks have anything do with slavery or sharecropping?
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