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Favourite Right-Wing Revolution/Uprising/Coup?

War In The Vendée, 1793 (France)
8
7%
Southern Secession, 1860 (USA)
18
15%
Boxer Rebellion, 1899 (China)
6
5%
March On Rome, 1922 (Italy)
15
12%
National Revolution, 1926 (Portugal)
1
1%
Spanish Nationalist Coup, 1936 (Spain)
16
13%
May 16 Coup, 1961 (S. Korea)
5
4%
Chilean Coup, 1973 (Chile)
14
11%
Autumn Of Nations, 1989 (International)
29
24%
Other (Please State)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 123

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Postby Lady Scylla » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:43 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
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I've a feeling I'm not going to like this answer, but why?

Because I like the alternate anthem, and I miss George V.


Well, that was a lot less repulsive than I was expecting.

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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:47 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
I've a feeling I'm not going to like this answer, but why?

Because I like the alternate anthem, and I miss George V.


George V was pretty great. Elizabeth's doing a pretty great job though.

I feel like Charles isn't going to be quite as good though.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:48 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Because I like the alternate anthem, and I miss George V.


Well, that was a lot less repulsive than I was expecting.

What, did you expect something sexist? Nah, I like kings for the little things, like wearing military uniforms.

There may be some benefit in little things, but those have to do with foreign culture (e.g. Arab leaders might respect a king more than a queen) than with personal preference.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:50 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Because I like the alternate anthem, and I miss George V.


George V was pretty great. Elizabeth's doing a pretty great job though.

I feel like Charles isn't going to be quite as good though.

The thing I dislike about Charles is the womanizing in his younger years. I feel that brought a bit of shame to the family, and it was outright disrespectful of his late first wife to marry his former mistress.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:08 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:I quite like Queen Elizabeth, but after decades of a queen, it will be nice to have a king on the throne again.

Also, Prince Charles' sympathy for Orthodoxy also gives me hope that, under him, Anglican-Orthodox relations will get fairly good, and that he could use his influence against theological liberals.

Your view's definitely in the minority.

Polls indicate that Australians would rather a republic straight up than King Charles.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:10 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
I've a feeling I'm not going to like this answer, but why?

Because I like the alternate anthem, and I miss George V.

I will never quite forgive George V for abandoning Nicky and Alix, but it is true that he was a good king with an irreproachable sense of duty.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:12 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I quite like Queen Elizabeth, but after decades of a queen, it will be nice to have a king on the throne again.

Also, Prince Charles' sympathy for Orthodoxy also gives me hope that, under him, Anglican-Orthodox relations will get fairly good, and that he could use his influence against theological liberals.

Your view's definitely in the minority.

Polls indicate that Australians would rather a republic straight up than King Charles.

Eh, I'd rather the commonwealth quit pretending it gives a shit about the monarchy. I'm not a huge fan of Charles' scandals either; it humiliated his late wife, and, by extension, the rest of the family; which is a shame, because the Queen and her consort seem like good people.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:15 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Because I like the alternate anthem, and I miss George V.

I will never quite forgive George V for abandoning Nicky and Alix, but it is true that he was a good king with an irreproachable sense of duty.

We all have mistakes we wish we could take back. At the time, I'm sure the idea that they would kill them, especially kill the children, seemed unthinkable.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:16 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Your view's definitely in the minority.

Polls indicate that Australians would rather a republic straight up than King Charles.

Eh, I'd rather the commonwealth quit pretending it gives a shit about the monarchy.

We don't by and large. We're still here coz of inertia really.

I'm not a huge fan of Charles' scandals either; it humiliated his late wife, and, by extension, the rest of the family; which is a shame, because the Queen and her consort seem like good people.

He was a fucking dick. And in a highly personalised institution like a monarchy, that's not good.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:18 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Eh, I'd rather the commonwealth quit pretending it gives a shit about the monarchy.

We don't by and large. We're still here coz of inertia really.

I'm not a huge fan of Charles' scandals either; it humiliated his late wife, and, by extension, the rest of the family; which is a shame, because the Queen and her consort seem like good people.

He was a fucking dick. And in a highly personalised institution like a monarchy, that's not good.

Yes, and that is especially why I am against him marrying his former mistress. Honestly, he should have been skipped over for succession; a monarch's primary duty (in the model of the UK) is to be a role model for the people.
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Postby The East Marches » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:18 pm

Yoshida wrote:
Liberonscien wrote:What's up with that article? The language appears to be very odd.


The one true language for good Anglos.


Delet this

Lady Scylla wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
The degeneration of English now has its own wiki as if it's a proper language. That's called Progress.


Scots and English developed together. The former is just less influenced from the Normans than the latter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Frisian_languages


What you mean is this is a fancy excuse for poor English skills. Now the SNP have ran with it and ruined it for everyone.
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Postby The East Marches » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:20 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:We don't by and large. We're still here coz of inertia really.


He was a fucking dick. And in a highly personalised institution like a monarchy, that's not good.

Yes, and that is especially why I am against him marrying his former mistress. Honestly, he should have been skipped over for succession; a monarch's primary duty (in the model of the UK) is to be a role model for the people.


Will he take the throne though after all this stuff?
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Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:21 pm

The East Marches wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Yes, and that is especially why I am against him marrying his former mistress. Honestly, he should have been skipped over for succession; a monarch's primary duty (in the model of the UK) is to be a role model for the people.


Will he take the throne though after all this stuff?

Unless he were to die before the Queen (which is unlikely), yes.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:23 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:He was a fucking dick. And in a highly personalised institution like a monarchy, that's not good.

He has been unfairly vilified in large part because Diana was better than him at maintaining a public image, and rather cynically manipulated the press and the public. In reality the marriage was undermined by serious issues on both sides, not just on Charles' part. But the whole debacle has continued to haunt him, with people like you being unable to let it go even decades later.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:25 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:We don't by and large. We're still here coz of inertia really.


He was a fucking dick. And in a highly personalised institution like a monarchy, that's not good.

Yes, and that is especially why I am against him marrying his former mistress. Honestly, he should have been skipped over for succession; a monarch's primary duty (in the model of the UK) is to be a role model for the people.

William seems like a nice fella. I like Harry more coz he'd probs be mad to get on the piss with. If I were Charles I'd abdicate for the good of the institution. But that's probably not going to happen. Instead we'll have a horribly unpopular king at at time when both Australia's PM and the head of the Opposition are staunch republicans. See ya later Mr Windsor.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:29 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:He was a fucking dick. And in a highly personalised institution like a monarchy, that's not good.

He has been unfairly vilified in large part because Diana was better than him at maintaining a public image, and rather cynically manipulated the press and the public. In reality the marriage was undermined by serious issues on both sides, not just on Charles' part. But the whole debacle has continued to haunt him, with people like you being unable to let it go even decades later.

People like me? I don't give a fuck who he fucks. What the English Kardashians get up to in their private lives is no concern of mine. Just pointing out that if you want to be a good monarch you've got to be a saint. And a saint Charlie ain't.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:31 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:He has been unfairly vilified in large part because Diana was better than him at maintaining a public image, and rather cynically manipulated the press and the public. In reality the marriage was undermined by serious issues on both sides, not just on Charles' part. But the whole debacle has continued to haunt him, with people like you being unable to let it go even decades later.

People like me? I don't give a fuck who he fucks. What the English Kardashians get up to in their private lives is no concern of mine. Just pointing out that if you want to be a good monarch you've got to be a saint. And a saint Charlie ain't.

I agree with Bakery here. A constitutional monarch must be a role model, that is their main job. They aren't administrators anymore, and it isn't that hard to try to be an advocate for the traditional family.
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Postby Southerly Gentleman » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:38 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Yes, and that is especially why I am against him marrying his former mistress. Honestly, he should have been skipped over for succession; a monarch's primary duty (in the model of the UK) is to be a role model for the people.

William seems like a nice fella. I like Harry more coz he'd probs be mad to get on the piss with. If I were Charles I'd abdicate for the good of the institution. But that's probably not going to happen. Instead we'll have a horribly unpopular king at at time when both Australia's PM and the head of the Opposition are staunch republicans. See ya later Mr Windsor.

If Harry were ever to take the throne, I wouldn't be able to shake the feeling that Syndrome from the fucking Incredibles is king.
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Postby The V O I D » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:38 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:People like me? I don't give a fuck who he fucks. What the English Kardashians get up to in their private lives is no concern of mine. Just pointing out that if you want to be a good monarch you've got to be a saint. And a saint Charlie ain't.

I agree with Bakery here. A constitutional monarch must be a role model, that is their main job. They aren't administrators anymore, and it isn't that hard to try to be an advocate for the traditional family.


Why just the traditional family?

Oh, right. Nevermind. Wouldn't be surprised if you advocated forcing a monarch to abdicate their throne if they came out as being lesbian/gay and married as such.

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Postby Yoshida (Ancient) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:39 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:People like me? I don't give a fuck who he fucks. What the English Kardashians get up to in their private lives is no concern of mine. Just pointing out that if you want to be a good monarch you've got to be a saint. And a saint Charlie ain't.

I agree with Bakery here. A constitutional monarch must be a role model, that is their main job. They aren't administrators anymore, and it isn't that hard to try to be an advocate for the traditional family.


Why should they advocate for the traditional family?
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Postby Yoshida (Ancient) » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:40 pm

The V O I D wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I agree with Bakery here. A constitutional monarch must be a role model, that is their main job. They aren't administrators anymore, and it isn't that hard to try to be an advocate for the traditional family.


Why just the traditional family?

Oh, right. Nevermind. Wouldn't be surprised if you advocated forcing a monarch to abdicate their throne if they came out as being lesbian/gay and married as such.


Yes, yes, we know you're such a loud supporter for LGBT rights. You don't have to keep informing us.
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Postby The V O I D » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:40 pm

Yoshida wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I agree with Bakery here. A constitutional monarch must be a role model, that is their main job. They aren't administrators anymore, and it isn't that hard to try to be an advocate for the traditional family.


Why should they advocate for the traditional family?


Because anything non-traditional is obviously wrong.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:40 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:People like me? I don't give a fuck who he fucks. What the English Kardashians get up to in their private lives is no concern of mine. Just pointing out that if you want to be a good monarch you've got to be a saint. And a saint Charlie ain't.

I agree with Bakery here. A constitutional monarch must be a role model, that is their main job. They aren't administrators anymore, and it isn't that hard to try to be an advocate for the traditional family.

Billy's doing great there. He seems like a nice and genuine bloke, he's got a lovely wife and two kids, you seem them on the telly over here pretty often, and despite my red convictions they just seem so damn nice. If I were a monarchist I'd be hoping that Charles abdicates, else its a white knuckled ride until he carks it. I'd be expecting to lose a few outlying commonwealth members to the scourge of Republicanism at the very least.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:41 pm

The V O I D wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I agree with Bakery here. A constitutional monarch must be a role model, that is their main job. They aren't administrators anymore, and it isn't that hard to try to be an advocate for the traditional family.


Why just the traditional family?

Oh, right. Nevermind. Wouldn't be surprised if you advocated forcing a monarch to abdicate their throne if they came out as being lesbian/gay and married as such.

Of course they'd have to abdicate. Not only would their marriage be contrary to the teachings of the Church of England, which as Sovereign they'd be oath-bound to uphold, but they would be unable to fulfil their duty by producing a legitimate heir to the throne.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Sun Jan 08, 2017 1:41 pm

Southerly Gentleman wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:William seems like a nice fella. I like Harry more coz he'd probs be mad to get on the piss with. If I were Charles I'd abdicate for the good of the institution. But that's probably not going to happen. Instead we'll have a horribly unpopular king at at time when both Australia's PM and the head of the Opposition are staunch republicans. See ya later Mr Windsor.

If Harry were ever to take the throne, I wouldn't be able to shake the feeling that Syndrome from the fucking Incredibles is king.

All the more reason for him to be king really.
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