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Favourite Right-Wing Revolution/Uprising/Coup?

War In The Vendée, 1793 (France)
8
7%
Southern Secession, 1860 (USA)
18
15%
Boxer Rebellion, 1899 (China)
6
5%
March On Rome, 1922 (Italy)
15
12%
National Revolution, 1926 (Portugal)
1
1%
Spanish Nationalist Coup, 1936 (Spain)
16
13%
May 16 Coup, 1961 (S. Korea)
5
4%
Chilean Coup, 1973 (Chile)
14
11%
Autumn Of Nations, 1989 (International)
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24%
Other (Please State)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 123

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:51 am

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Is it really unethical? The Romans did it just fine.


You realize it was acceptable to torture one's slaves in Rome, right?

Not to mention, Roman slavery was entirely different from slavery in the colonial era. For one, it wasn't based on race.
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Postby Gim » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:51 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
That's what Confederate sympathizers tend to say.

Yet without slavery the Industrialized North wrecked the South.


They just put the bonds of Uncle Sam and military law on some poor bastard fresh off the boat from the emerald isle.


Worse like North Korea.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:52 am

Salus Maior wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Is it really unethical? The Romans did it just fine.


You realize it was acceptable to torture one's slaves in Rome, right?

Not to mention, Roman slavery was entirely different from slavery in the colonial era. For one, it wasn't based on race.


Yes and so what?

Also Ottomeme slavery was based on race too. What difference does it make in the grand scheme of things if it was raced based or just those of a conquered people?

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:54 am

Salus Maior wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Is it really unethical? The Romans did it just fine.


You realize it was acceptable to torture one's slaves in Rome, right?

Not to mention, Roman slavery was entirely different from slavery in the colonial era.

Not really, considering you just said it was acceptable to torture slaves in Rome.
For one, it wasn't based on race.

Race is a very nebulous concept, and slavery is slavery.
The East Marches II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
You realize it was acceptable to torture one's slaves in Rome, right?

Not to mention, Roman slavery was entirely different from slavery in the colonial era. For one, it wasn't based on race.


Yes and so what?

Also Ottomeme slavery was based on race too. What difference does it make in the grand scheme of things if it was raced based or just those of a conquered people?

Ottomans also castrated their slaves. South couldn't do that though, what with the Brits trying to destroy the Atlantic slave trade.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:55 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
You realize it was acceptable to torture one's slaves in Rome, right?

Not to mention, Roman slavery was entirely different from slavery in the colonial era. For one, it wasn't based on race.


Yes and so what?

Also Ottomeme slavery was based on race too. What difference does it make in the grand scheme of things if it was raced based or just those of a conquered people?


Then obviously it isn't ethical.

The difference is that in the Colonial context race-based slavery was based on the idea that certain races were inferior. Unlike Rome which even had Romans as slaves, as it was often a criminal punishment to be put in slavery. In Rome, it also was possible for slaves to earn money outside of their slaving work.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:56 am

Salus Maior wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Yes and so what?

Also Ottomeme slavery was based on race too. What difference does it make in the grand scheme of things if it was raced based or just those of a conquered people?


Then obviously it isn't ethical.

The difference is that in the Colonial context race-based slavery was based on the idea that certain races were inferior. Unlike Rome which even had Romans as slaves, as it was often a criminal punishment to be put in slavery.


Torture is unethical? That's a very modern opinion friendo.

So what? Romans thought conquered people were inferior too. Perhaps those inferior should have fought harder :^)

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Postby Ban Pho » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:57 am

I go to the local store and when I come back I see that RWDT has advanced 3 pages. 3 pages!

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:58 am

Ban Pho wrote:I go to the local store and when I come back I see that RWDT has advanced 3 pages. 3 pages!


It's happening, McCarthian comrade.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:58 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Yes and so what?

Also Ottomeme slavery was based on race too. What difference does it make in the grand scheme of things if it was raced based or just those of a conquered people?

Ottomans also castrated their slaves. South couldn't do that though, what with the Brits trying to destroy the Atlantic slave trade.


Southerners should have built a stronk fleet then, amateurs smh tbh fam.

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Postby Kekonistan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:58 am

Ban Pho wrote:I go to the local store and when I come back I see that RWDT has advanced 3 pages. 3 pages!

We're very progressive, apparently.
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Postby The Supreme Magnificent High Swaglord » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:58 am

Ban Pho wrote:I go to the local store and when I come back I see that RWDT has advanced 3 pages. 3 pages!


Sadly, much of it is TEM engaging in massive slavery apologia.
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Postby Ban Pho » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:58 am

The East Marches II wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Ottomans also castrated their slaves. South couldn't do that though, what with the Brits trying to destroy the Atlantic slave trade.


Southerners should have built a stronk fleet then, amateurs smh tbh fam.

Confederate Gunboats ftw

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Postby Ban Pho » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:00 am

Kekonistan wrote:
Ban Pho wrote:I go to the local store and when I come back I see that RWDT has advanced 3 pages. 3 pages!

We're very progressive, apparently.

The Right-Wing (and Alt-Right) is on the rise!

Heil Victory!

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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:01 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Then obviously it isn't ethical.

The difference is that in the Colonial context race-based slavery was based on the idea that certain races were inferior. Unlike Rome which even had Romans as slaves, as it was often a criminal punishment to be put in slavery.


Torture is unethical? That's a very modern opinion friendo.

So what? Romans thought conquered people were inferior too. Perhaps those inferior should have fought harder :^)


Well, pardon me for not being entirely out-of-date :^)

They didn't think they were inferior in and of themselves. If they assimilated into Roman culture their status improved.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:02 am

THE SUPREME MAGNIFICENT HIGH SWAGLORD wrote:
Ban Pho wrote:I go to the local store and when I come back I see that RWDT has advanced 3 pages. 3 pages!


Sadly, much of it is TEM engaging in massive slavery apologia.


This may come as a surprise to you but sometimes it is interesting to argue from the other perspective. Sadly, you aren't up to the challenge of proving me wrong.

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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:02 am

Salus Maior wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Torture is unethical? That's a very modern opinion friendo.

So what? Romans thought conquered people were inferior too. Perhaps those inferior should have fought harder :^)


Well, pardon me for not being entirely out-of-date :^)

They didn't think they were inferior in and of themselves. If they assimilated into Roman culture their status improved.


>Didn't think they were inferior in and of themselves

Ask Stilicho about that one for me and get back to me.

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Postby Ban Pho » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:02 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
Then obviously it isn't ethical.

The difference is that in the Colonial context race-based slavery was based on the idea that certain races were inferior. Unlike Rome which even had Romans as slaves, as it was often a criminal punishment to be put in slavery.


Torture is unethical? That's a very modern opinion friendo.

So what? Romans thought conquered people were inferior too. Perhaps those inferior should have fought harder :^)

The norse vikings stayed stronk. Proof that vikings are superior. :^)

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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:03 am

Ban Pho wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Torture is unethical? That's a very modern opinion friendo.

So what? Romans thought conquered people were inferior too. Perhaps those inferior should have fought harder :^)

The norse vikings stayed stronk. Proof that vikings are superior. :^)


Tell me more my friend :^)

I do enjoy hearing about Sweden's "Feminist" foreign policy to counter Russia.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:05 am

Ban Pho wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Torture is unethical? That's a very modern opinion friendo.

So what? Romans thought conquered people were inferior too. Perhaps those inferior should have fought harder :^)

The norse vikings stayed stronk. Proof that vikings are superior. :^)


At least until more successful people built walls too high and too thick for them :^)
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Postby Ban Pho » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:06 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Ban Pho wrote:The norse vikings stayed stronk. Proof that vikings are superior. :^)


Tell me more my friend :^)

I do enjoy hearing about Sweden's "Feminist" foreign policy to counter Russia.

Sorry m9, I'm not Margot Wallström.

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Postby Aelex » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:08 am

The East Marches II wrote:>Didn't think they were inferior in and of themselves

Ask Stilicho about that one for me and get back to me.

To be fair, 5th century Roma was but the last twitching of the once mighty Empire.
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Postby Ban Pho » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:09 am

Salus Maior wrote:
Ban Pho wrote:The norse vikings stayed stronk. Proof that vikings are superior. :^)


At least until more successful people built walls too high and too thick for them :^)

;-;

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Postby The East Marches II » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:09 am

Aelex wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:>Didn't think they were inferior in and of themselves

Ask Stilicho about that one for me and get back to me.

To be fair, 5th century Roma was but the last twitching of the once mighty Empire.


Daily Reminder: Gauls are dirty barbaras and Caesar did nothing wrong in bringing them civilization by the Sword.

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Postby Kekonistan » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:10 am

Aelex wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:>Didn't think they were inferior in and of themselves

Ask Stilicho about that one for me and get back to me.

To be fair, 5th century Roma was but the last twitching of the once mighty Empire.

The Empire died when Memechranity was introduced as state religion

Reinstall Imperial Cult Bacchian Orgies now.
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Postby Salus Maior » Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:11 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Aelex wrote:To be fair, 5th century Roma was but the last twitching of the once mighty Empire.


Daily Reminder: Gauls are dirty barbaras and Caesar did nothing wrong in bringing them civilization by the Sword.


To be honest, I can't really disagree.

I'm largely supportive of Roman civilization.
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