Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's also a garbage argument to say "if we allow prostitution, adultery is going to be promoted".

It's going to happen anyways whether you allow prostitution or not. Heck, it happens all over the U.S. everyday and nobody bats an eye right now.

So why should I believe that your moralistic approach to prostitution is going to stop adultery?

Indoctrination of young kids with beliefs is proven to work? Murder happens all the time too yet we still aggressively prosecute and moralize against it. Just because something tends to happen does not make the fight against it pointless. It's crypto-nihilist position I've seen you take more than once.

Okay, then prosecute adultery. Jail people who cheat on their partners for however many months or years you believe are necessary to make the point. Or are you willing to tell me you won't?

[Hakons]

Liberalism has severely decayed Church moral authority and has resulted in the break down of the family structure. The left is inhabited by many individuals that would love nothing more than see the extinction of Christianity.

Ok but you don't get to say that those who are liberal and Christian aren't taking their faith seriously

When liberal Christians are fine with abortion, it is clear they don't take God given life very seriously. When liberal Christians don't recognize homosexuality as a sin, it is clear they don't take Apostolic teachings very seriously.

If this is in America, it should be decided by the states. I'm against it because it turns women into a commodity. It also promotes adultery and leads to break downs in marriages and higher divorce rates.

Marriage is already doing that on its own

Marriage is breaking down because liberalism has broken the moral authority of the Church that used to tell people to stay married. The Church is one of the only remaining institutions that actively tells men to marry if they have impregnated a women. The Church actively calls people to stay in marriages and take "till death do us part" seriously.

[Salus Maior]

If they're putting their politics before doctrine and what the faith has held to be true since the beginning, then forgive me for thinking that they don't take the faith seriously. Or at least put it more on the back burner than those that don't.

The same goes for those on the right side of politics as well. It's a two way street

I agree. I'm equally critical of that.

Such as all the Evangelicals who basically treat Trump like he's the new messiah.

[The East Marches II]

Indoctrination of young kids with beliefs is proven to work? Murder happens all the time too yet we still aggressively prosecute and moralize against it. Just because something tends to happen does not make the fight against it pointless. It's crypto-nihilist position I've seen you take more than once.

Okay, then prosecute adultery. Jail people who cheat on their partners. Or are you willing to tell me you won't?

I don't believe it serves any utility but that does not mean that it can't be done or that it wouldn't accomplish an objective of lowering it's incidence.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Okay, then prosecute adultery. Jail people who cheat on their partners. Or are you willing to tell me you won't?

I don't believe it serves any utility but that does not mean that it can't be done or that it wouldn't accomplish an objective of lowering it's incidence.

If you don't believe it serves any utlity then why do it?

[The East Marches II]

I don't believe it serves any utility but that does not mean that it can't be done or that it wouldn't accomplish an objective of lowering it's incidence.

If you don't believe it serves any utlity then why do it?

Why do it is seperate from the fact that it can be done and accomplished.

[Thermodolia]

The same goes for those on the right side of politics as well. It's a two way street

I agree. I'm equally critical of that.

Such as all the Evangelicals who basically treat Trump like he's the new messiah.

Well then we are on the same page then

[Salus Maior]

I agree. I'm equally critical of that.

Such as all the Evangelicals who basically treat Trump like he's the new messiah.

Well then we are on the same page then

Yay

[Thermodolia]

Ok but you don't get to say that those who are liberal and Christian aren't taking their faith seriously

When liberal Christians are fine with abortion, it is clear they don't take God given life very seriously. When liberal Christians don't recognize homosexuality as a sin, it is clear they don't take Apostolic teachings very seriously.

Marriage is already doing that on its own

Marriage is breaking down because liberalism has broken the moral authority of the Church that used to tell people to stay married. The Church is one of the only remaining institutions that actively tells men to marry if they have impregnated a women. The Church actively calls people to stay in marriages and take "till death do us part" seriously.

The church can fuck off in my mind only the state can tell me what I can't do

[Thermodolia]

Suppression isn't going to make prostitution go away. In fact it will do the exact opposite

It indeed has limited its spread. Just as the severe repression of gays has and in some places in the ME still does. Whether or not it has any utility or gives a benefit is another argument entirely.

In the victorian era prostitution was very much widespread yet it was publicly a no no. Ergo suppression doesn't help at all it just makes things worse.

[The East Marches II]

It indeed has limited its spread. Just as the severe repression of gays has and in some places in the ME still does. Whether or not it has any utility or gives a benefit is another argument entirely.

In the victorian era prostitution was very much widespread yet it was publicly a no no. Ergo suppression doesn't help at all it just makes things worse.

If it doesn't work why were your lot crying about oppression? It's a false belief of modern liberalism that you can't suppress things with enough force. It's in the realm of myths like "pro-american middle class just waiting to be liberated". It sounds very nice but simply isn't true.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

When liberal Christians are fine with abortion, it is clear they don't take God given life very seriously. When liberal Christians don't recognize homosexuality as a sin, it is clear they don't take Apostolic teachings very seriously.

Or, you know, these Christians, including conservative ones such as myself, have opted to live their lives as Jesus prescribed:

And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

[The Liberated Territories]

When liberal Christians are fine with abortion, it is clear they don't take God given life very seriously. When liberal Christians don't recognize homosexuality as a sin, it is clear they don't take Apostolic teachings very seriously.



Marriage is breaking down because liberalism has broken the moral authority of the Church that used to tell people to stay married. The Church is one of the only remaining institutions that actively tells men to marry if they have impregnated a women. The Church actively calls people to stay in marriages and take "till death do us part" seriously.

The church can fuck off in my mind only the state can tell me what I can't do

SPOOKS

[Thermodolia]

In the victorian era prostitution was very much widespread yet it was publicly a no no. Ergo suppression doesn't help at all it just makes things worse.

If it doesn't work why were your lot crying about oppression? It's a false belief of modern liberalism that you can't suppress things with enough force. It's in the realm of myths like "pro-american middle class just waiting to be liberated". It sounds very nice but simply isn't true.

I don't think you even know what my lot is as I'm basically a libertarian.

[Ban Pho]

Could Pek be the saviour?

[Torsiedelle]

Could Pek be the saviour?

But Kek is our one true god.

Pek is certainly a significant figure too, however.

[Lalaki]

Marriage is breaking down because liberalism has broken the moral authority of the Church that used to tell people to stay married. The Church is one of the only remaining institutions that actively tells men to marry if they have impregnated a women. The Church actively calls people to stay in marriages and take "till death do us part" seriously.

First off, the concept that marriage is breaking down isn't as true as people think it is: http://jezebel.com/that-50-percent-divo ... 1665833364

Second of all, "till death do us part" ignores the basic fact that people aren't perfect. Couples may fall out of love (or fall in love with other folks), a partner may have to divorce due to abuse/neglect, etc. Couples may have very different life goals which require them to separate. Regardless of reason -- forcing two incompatible people to be bonded to each other for life doesn't make for much happiness or fulfillment.

Then again, I am a Reno man. Perhaps that clouds my judgement

[Mattopilos II]

Suppression isn't going to make prostitution go away. In fact it will do the exact opposite

It indeed has limited its spread. Just as the severe repression of gays has and in some places in the ME still does. Whether or not it has any utility or gives a benefit is another argument entirely.

The question then becomes why you want to suppress people in the same manner homosexuals are in the ME. That, and what the actual issue you have with prostitution is - is it the crime it brings with it, or a religious reason?

[Old Tyrannia]

Should prostitution be legal, RWDT? Y/N

Personally, I say yes. Safer for the workers and it'll divert money away from organized crime.

No. What happens between consenting individuals in private is their business, so long as money is not involved. Once money is involved, however, it becomes a business and public "service," and is therefore within the purview of the State. Prostitution is inherently coercive insofar as that the person hiring the prostitute holds some advantage over them (i.e. they have money that the prostitute can only get by performing the "service" desired) and is therefore not comparable to other matters of private sexual morality where my personal inclinations may be conservative but where I would not seek to interfere with other people's decisions due to my somewhat libertarian-leaning attitude to State intervention in people's personal lives. The same goes for pornography, which should also be illegalised.

The argument that "it will still happen whether illegal or not" is a terrible argument against any law.

[Kekonistan]

Should prostitution be legal, RWDT? Y/N

Personally, I say yes. Safer for the workers and it'll divert money away from organized crime.

Yes

The market will fix it

[Mattopilos II]

Should prostitution be legal, RWDT? Y/N

Personally, I say yes. Safer for the workers and it'll divert money away from organized crime.

Yes. One, it means more security for workers can be established rather than kinda assuming it doesn't exist but knowing full well it does. The state it is in now doesn't help anyone: not the workers, and not those wanting to reduce organized crime. Any religious and "Moral" arguments don't really get much hearing from me. I am sex-positive - do what you want in relation to sex, as long as you are consenting, and that you are not willingly spreading sexually-transmitted diseases to others.

And whoever said that "It will still happen" is not an argument against any law, that is a load of shit. In that case, lets set up the alcohol ban again, then pretend that having that law in place ever made things better then realize that it really didn't and it simply drove up organized crime anyway, which in turn caused more problems than it solved. Keep your shitty "But muh laws" crap away from me. Then again, this is the same person advocating for the illegalisation of pornography. libertarian my arse. Conservative is conservative, no matter spin you put on it. Twisting the arm of individuality, then claiming you are for the rights of the individual, is a contradiction. Sort that out immediately.

[Peta Kozarska Brigada]

Could Pek be the saviour?

But Kek is our one true god.

Pek is certainly a significant figure too, however.

Truly, since Kek has an actual foothold in the other meme dimension. I'll wait until the other ones get proven that they have a counterpart in Chinese memes.

[Gim]

The 1961 coup in Korea was definitely one that gave a sign that true and strong democracy exists within the nation.

[Ban Pho]

The 1961 coup in Korea was definitely one that gave a sign that true and strong democracy exists within the nation.

Yet, that coup ended the reign of Syngman Rhee, who founded the right-wing ideology, Ilminism.

[Gim]

The 1961 coup in Korea was definitely one that gave a sign that true and strong democracy exists within the nation.

Yet, that coup ended the reign of Syngman Rhee, who founded the right-wing ideology, Ilminism.

Well, he did a great deal of election rigging. That was the problem, not his right-wing policies.