NATION

PASSWORD

Right-Wing Discussion Thread VIII: McCarthy Was Right

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

Favourite Right-Wing Revolution/Uprising/Coup?

War In The Vendée, 1793 (France)
8
7%
Southern Secession, 1860 (USA)
18
15%
Boxer Rebellion, 1899 (China)
6
5%
March On Rome, 1922 (Italy)
15
12%
National Revolution, 1926 (Portugal)
1
1%
Spanish Nationalist Coup, 1936 (Spain)
16
13%
May 16 Coup, 1961 (S. Korea)
5
4%
Chilean Coup, 1973 (Chile)
14
11%
Autumn Of Nations, 1989 (International)
29
24%
Other (Please State)
11
9%
 
Total votes : 123

User avatar
Mattopilos
Senator
 
Posts: 4229
Founded: Apr 22, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Mattopilos » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:10 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:Yeah, it fucked up gewd... we are pretty much the only, ahem, "Good" functioning nation in Oceania. [...]


New Zealand being the only other nation within Oceania in which one could consider "Unfucked".

Mattopilos wrote:[...] Honestly I would think spreading it out as much as possible, allowing for the processing of the max amount of refugees without overwhelming the system. [...]


Perhaps you are correct. Unfortunately "refugees" (A term I use lightly considering the amount of economic immigrants that mix in with the actual refugees) aren't a popular group of people as of the current date.


Yeah, that is the biggest obstacle. Fear is a powerful weapon and curse when it comes to decision making on a large scale.
"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs"
Dialectic egoist/Communist Egoist, Post-left anarchist, moral nihilist, Intersectional Anarcha-feminist.
my political compass:Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Pros:Anarchy, Communism (not that of Stalin or Mao), abortion rights, LGBTI rights, secularism i.e. SOCAS, Agnostic atheism, free speech (within reason), science, most dark humor, dialectic egoism, anarcha-feminism.
Cons: Capitalism, Free market, Gnostic atheism and theism, the far right, intolerance of any kind, dictatorships, pseudoscience and snake-oil peddling, imperialism and overuse of military, liberalism, radical and liberal feminism

User avatar
FelrikTheDeleted
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8949
Founded: Aug 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:12 pm

HokusPOTUS wrote:Then the solution shouldn't be fuck it up more.


There isn't much in which could "fuck up" Papua New Guinea anymore than it has been "fucked up", as of this moment Papua New Guinea is a third world country; By their own volition they took the refugees off our (Australia's) hands, by their own volition they have "fucked up" their country.
Last edited by FelrikTheDeleted on Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
New confederate ramenia
Minister
 
Posts: 2987
Founded: Oct 07, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby New confederate ramenia » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:15 pm

How the fuck could Papua New Guinea even take in refugees? Isn't the vast majority of the country native people living the same lifestyle they've had for thousands of years? Are they all in one city?
probando

User avatar
FelrikTheDeleted
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8949
Founded: Aug 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:20 pm

New confederate ramenia wrote:How the fuck could Papua New Guinea even take in refugees? Isn't the vast majority of the country native people living the same lifestyle they've had for thousands of years? Are they all in one city?


I believe it to be a rather bad decision on their part. I believe it came down to Australia offering financial aid, otherwise I am unsure as to what they receive in return.

User avatar
Austrasien
Minister
 
Posts: 3183
Founded: Apr 07, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Austrasien » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:45 pm

Mattopilos wrote:I.e. best fuck up the small countries.


Wouldn't be a problem if Australia would man up and send them straight back.
The leafposter formerly known as The Kievan People

The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong survive. The strong are respected and in the end, peace is made with the strong.

User avatar
Mattopilos
Senator
 
Posts: 4229
Founded: Apr 22, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Mattopilos » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:58 pm

Austrasien wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:I.e. best fuck up the small countries.


Wouldn't be a problem if Australia would man up and send them straight back.


Yeah, because THAT would work *eyeroll*
I think there is a reason we don't do that: they still don't stop coming.
"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs"
Dialectic egoist/Communist Egoist, Post-left anarchist, moral nihilist, Intersectional Anarcha-feminist.
my political compass:Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Pros:Anarchy, Communism (not that of Stalin or Mao), abortion rights, LGBTI rights, secularism i.e. SOCAS, Agnostic atheism, free speech (within reason), science, most dark humor, dialectic egoism, anarcha-feminism.
Cons: Capitalism, Free market, Gnostic atheism and theism, the far right, intolerance of any kind, dictatorships, pseudoscience and snake-oil peddling, imperialism and overuse of military, liberalism, radical and liberal feminism

User avatar
FelrikTheDeleted
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8949
Founded: Aug 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:59 pm

Austrasien wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:I.e. best fuck up the small countries.


Wouldn't be a problem if Australia would man up and send them straight back.


A hard thing to do if they were to claim Asylum, it is something many of them do. Australia has a moral obligation to help Asylum Seekers. This isn't to mention that they will return through the same or different means. Trust me sending these people back to their countries is something I'd like to do, however at this current date it isn't a possibility.
Last edited by FelrikTheDeleted on Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
FutureAmerica
Diplomat
 
Posts: 869
Founded: May 20, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby FutureAmerica » Wed Jan 25, 2017 12:40 am

No Monarchy. It's too expensive. Look at Britain.

User avatar
Mattopilos
Senator
 
Posts: 4229
Founded: Apr 22, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Mattopilos » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:02 am

FutureAmerica wrote:No Monarchy. It's too expensive. Look at Britain.


They could argue that the monarchy makes them revenue.
"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs"
Dialectic egoist/Communist Egoist, Post-left anarchist, moral nihilist, Intersectional Anarcha-feminist.
my political compass:Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Pros:Anarchy, Communism (not that of Stalin or Mao), abortion rights, LGBTI rights, secularism i.e. SOCAS, Agnostic atheism, free speech (within reason), science, most dark humor, dialectic egoism, anarcha-feminism.
Cons: Capitalism, Free market, Gnostic atheism and theism, the far right, intolerance of any kind, dictatorships, pseudoscience and snake-oil peddling, imperialism and overuse of military, liberalism, radical and liberal feminism

User avatar
FelrikTheDeleted
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 8949
Founded: Aug 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:30 am

FutureAmerica wrote:No Monarchy. It's too expensive. Look at Britain.

The British Monarchy generates more revenue than it expends, the Sovereign Grant as of 2016 was $43 Million to carry out official duties,The British tourism agency has reported that the royal family generates close to 500 million pounds, or about $767 million, every year in tourism revenue, drawing visitors to historic royal sites like the Tower of London, Windsor Castle, and Buckingham Palace.

User avatar
Austrasien
Minister
 
Posts: 3183
Founded: Apr 07, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Austrasien » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:34 am

Mattopilos wrote:Yeah, because THAT would work *eyeroll*
I think there is a reason we don't do that: they still don't stop coming.


You need to keep doing it, obviously. It's not enough to send them back. You need to extinguish their hope.

In the face of the well founded presumption that anyone from a poor non-white country who can get to a rich white country like Australia has a decent chance of being allowed to stay it takes determination. Blocking them isn't enough. You need to block them over and over until they finally realize they will not overcome. And if they get through send them back anyways. Intercepting migrants isn't actually very hard.

Then you will start winning. This is why the Mexican wall is such an elegant idea; it will not just be a barrier but a monument to America's renewed will to defend it's soil. Illegal immigrants will look upon it and they will despair.

The weakness of the Australians, they do not have the will to send them back, keeps an ember of hope alive.
The leafposter formerly known as The Kievan People

The weak crumble, are slaughtered and are erased from history while the strong survive. The strong are respected and in the end, peace is made with the strong.

User avatar
Minzerland II
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5589
Founded: Aug 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Minzerland II » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:54 am

Mattopilos wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Whats this about Naru?


That we Aussies love dumping crap on other countries. We are good at that :^)

Thank God for that skill, amirite? :^)
Previous Profile: Minzerland
Donkey Advocate & Herald of Donkeydom
St Anselm of Canterbury wrote:[…]who ever heard of anything having two mothers or two fathers? (Monologion, pg. 63)

User avatar
Mattopilos
Senator
 
Posts: 4229
Founded: Apr 22, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Mattopilos » Wed Jan 25, 2017 1:57 am

Austrasien wrote:
Mattopilos wrote:Yeah, because THAT would work *eyeroll*
I think there is a reason we don't do that: they still don't stop coming.


You need to keep doing it, obviously. It's not enough to send them back. You need to extinguish their hope.

In the face of the well founded presumption that anyone from a poor non-white country who can get to a rich white country like Australia has a decent chance of being allowed to stay it takes determination. Blocking them isn't enough. You need to block them over and over until they finally realize they will not overcome. And if they get through send them back anyways. Intercepting migrants isn't actually very hard.

Then you will start winning. This is why the Mexican wall is such an elegant idea; it will not just be a barrier but a monument to America's renewed will to defend it's soil. Illegal immigrants will look upon it and they will despair.

The weakness of the Australians, they do not have the will to send them back, keeps an ember of hope alive.


I don't think you understand the desperation of refugees if you think that is the answer. Seriously, don't atart accusing Australia of weakness for the actions they have taken. They have managed to do quite well with the issue of the boats, and going much better than Europe is in any stretch of the imagination.

Yes, and a wall is very, very expensive. That's okay, the Mexicans pay for it :^)

I like how you use ""Australians" as if every Australian is what caused the current situation. Nah, not how it works.
"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs"
Dialectic egoist/Communist Egoist, Post-left anarchist, moral nihilist, Intersectional Anarcha-feminist.
my political compass:Economic Left/Right: -8.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Pros:Anarchy, Communism (not that of Stalin or Mao), abortion rights, LGBTI rights, secularism i.e. SOCAS, Agnostic atheism, free speech (within reason), science, most dark humor, dialectic egoism, anarcha-feminism.
Cons: Capitalism, Free market, Gnostic atheism and theism, the far right, intolerance of any kind, dictatorships, pseudoscience and snake-oil peddling, imperialism and overuse of military, liberalism, radical and liberal feminism

User avatar
Minzerland II
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5589
Founded: Aug 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Minzerland II » Wed Jan 25, 2017 2:01 am

FutureAmerica wrote:No Monarchy. It's too expensive. Look at Britain.

The British Monarchy is expensive to maintain, but they make more than enough revenue, whilst still having surplus, to cover its expenses.
Previous Profile: Minzerland
Donkey Advocate & Herald of Donkeydom
St Anselm of Canterbury wrote:[…]who ever heard of anything having two mothers or two fathers? (Monologion, pg. 63)

User avatar
Itoshiki
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 395
Founded: Dec 19, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Itoshiki » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:10 am


"a temporary ban on most refugees and a suspension of visas for citizens of Syria and six other Middle Eastern and African countries"
"to ban for several months the entry of refugees into the United States, except for religious minorities escaping persecution"

Trump is harmless they said
Muslims should flood America with taqiyya to make it great again.
Liberal Conservative
...and many more self-contrarianism!

Economic Left/Right: 1.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.36

Islamic Government wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:You're not really saying much about Yazidi and Christian girls raped by the mujahids, either. I ask you again: do you approve of IS' practice of sex slavery or not?

Yes, I approve.

IRL anime best girl shitposter.

User avatar
The East Marches
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13843
Founded: May 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The East Marches » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:20 am

Itoshiki wrote:

"a temporary ban on most refugees and a suspension of visas for citizens of Syria and six other Middle Eastern and African countries"
"to ban for several months the entry of refugees into the United States, except for religious minorities escaping persecution"

Trump is harmless they said
Muslims should flood America with taqiyya to make it great again.


We have lots of total wilderness still. Why don't we give them all like x amount acres or whatever the need to be self-sufficient and send them to settle our areas bringing civilization. What do you think of that idea?
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

User avatar
Old Tyrannia
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 16673
Founded: Aug 11, 2009
Father Knows Best State

Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:59 am

FutureAmerica wrote:No Monarchy. It's too expensive. Look at Britain.

The monarchy is 1) entirely paid for through the proceeds from the Crown Estate with the surplus going to the Treasury and 2) costs less than the American presidency.
"Classicist in literature, royalist in politics, and Anglo-Catholic in religion" (T.S. Eliot). Still, unaccountably, a NationStates Moderator.
"Have I done something for the general interest? Well then, I have had my reward. Let this always be present to thy mind, and never stop doing such good." - Marcus Aurelius, Meditations (Book XI, IV)
⚜ GOD SAVE THE KING

User avatar
Gondolaulus
Diplomat
 
Posts: 626
Founded: Dec 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Gondolaulus » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:24 am

The East Marches wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:"a temporary ban on most refugees and a suspension of visas for citizens of Syria and six other Middle Eastern and African countries"
"to ban for several months the entry of refugees into the United States, except for religious minorities escaping persecution"

Trump is harmless they said
Muslims should flood America with taqiyya to make it great again.


We have lots of total wilderness still. Why don't we give them all like x amount acres or whatever the need to be self-sufficient and send them to settle our areas bringing civilization. What do you think of that idea?

It does sound kind of neat, admit it.
Also known as Aulus by some.
I am: Iron Pill, Muslim, native European
PRO: Integralism, Perennialism, Esoterism, Sufism.
ANTI: Salafism, Wahhabism, Daesh, interventionism.

Former history/Catholic theology/philosophy student.
RIP Jochy unjustly deleted defending Islamic pride ☪6-2-2017

User avatar
Theodosiya
Minister
 
Posts: 3145
Founded: Oct 10, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Theodosiya » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:45 am

Wonder what Trump gonna do about a certain large SEA country?
The strong rules over the weak
And the weak are ruled by the strong
It is the natural order

User avatar
Dumb Ideologies
Post Czar
 
Posts: 45970
Founded: Sep 30, 2007
Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:51 am

Austrasien wrote:The Emperor Protects!

U.S. President Donald Trump is expected to sign several executive orders on Wednesday restricting immigration from Syria and six other Middle Eastern or African countries, according to several congressional aides and immigration experts briefed on the matter.

In addition to Syria, Trump's orders are expected to temporarily restrict access to the United States for most refugees. Another order will block visas from being issued to Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen, said the aides and experts, who asked not to be identified.

Trump's restrictions on refugees are likely to include a multi-month ban on admissions from all countries until the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security can increase the intensity of the vetting process.


Common sense about to come flooding back in to immigration policy.


Hopefully Britain can do something similar after Brexit and some of the more reasonable Europeans can follow.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
★彡 Professional pessimist. Reactionary socialist and gamer liberationist. Coffee addict. Fun at parties 彡★
Freedom is when people agree with you, and the more people you can force to act like they agree the freer society is
You are the trolley problem's conductor. You could stop the train in time but you do not. Nobody knows you're part of the equation. You satisfy your bloodlust and get away with it every time

User avatar
Itoshiki
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 395
Founded: Dec 19, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Itoshiki » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:21 am

The East Marches wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:"a temporary ban on most refugees and a suspension of visas for citizens of Syria and six other Middle Eastern and African countries"
"to ban for several months the entry of refugees into the United States, except for religious minorities escaping persecution"

Trump is harmless they said
Muslims should flood America with taqiyya to make it great again.


We have lots of total wilderness still. Why don't we give them all like x amount acres or whatever the need to be self-sufficient and send them to settle our areas bringing civilization. What do you think of that idea?

It's a good idea.

Recolonize the Rust Belt and rural American south. Lots of lands and desolate ruins of abandoned factories awaiting to be made productive again. Integration is easier in those places due to shared values (on violence, honor, family, inbreeding etc). American values will be Islamized and vice versa.

Soon in the far future, when the sun is dying, the rest of the Western world is a colossal totalitarian retirement house-doubling involuntary euthanasia death camp drawing closer towards extinction driven by sudden proliferation of 2D waifus, and the third world countries are wasteland abandoned by their own people as they migrate to global megacities, the Caliphate of Appalachistan remains as the stronghold of RL waifu, Dar al-Islam, and by extension the hope for all mankind. The nasheed of "Star-Spangled Banner" will be chanted from the minarets for centuries onward.

And the Democrats will rule an one-party state, thanks demographic change

Image
Last edited by Itoshiki on Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:33 am, edited 2 times in total.
Liberal Conservative
...and many more self-contrarianism!

Economic Left/Right: 1.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.36

Islamic Government wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:You're not really saying much about Yazidi and Christian girls raped by the mujahids, either. I ask you again: do you approve of IS' practice of sex slavery or not?

Yes, I approve.

IRL anime best girl shitposter.

User avatar
The East Marches
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13843
Founded: May 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The East Marches » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:35 am

Itoshiki wrote:
The East Marches wrote:
We have lots of total wilderness still. Why don't we give them all like x amount acres or whatever the need to be self-sufficient and send them to settle our areas bringing civilization. What do you think of that idea?

It's a good idea.

Recolonize the Rust Belt and rural American south. Lots of lands and desolate ruins of abandoned factories awaiting to be made productive again. Integration is easier in those places due to shared values (on violence, honor, family, inbreeding etc). American values will be Islamized and vice versa.

Soon in the far future, when the sun is dying, the rest of the Western world is a colossal totalitarian retirement house-doubling involuntary euthanasia death camp drawing closer towards extinction driven by sudden proliferation of 3D waifus, and the third world countries are wasteland abandoned by their own people as they migrate to global megacities, the Caliphate of Appalachistan remains as the stronghold of RL waifu, Dar al-Islam, and by extension the hope for all mankind. The nasheed of "Star-Spangled Banner" will be chanted from the minarets for centuries onward.

And the Democrats will rule an one-party state, thanks demographic change

Image


This was such a massive BTFO that we can't possibly recover. GG no re. I had an exceptionally sensible chuckle.

The whole one party state demographic meme won't work. The Republican Party will become the party of Sharia. See muslims in Wyoming for an example.

3D waifus will have to be banned though. RIP birth rate.
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

User avatar
Itoshiki
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 395
Founded: Dec 19, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Itoshiki » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:49 am

The East Marches wrote:3D waifus will have to be banned though. RIP birth rate.

It's just a logical conclusion of the continuous rising quality of life and racial puritanism in the West. Just look at the Yamato to see how well it worked out. Better healthcare + better algorithm = pension crisis inevitably leading to development of artificial waifus with ideal neotenized traits. Robots taking care of the elderly are just a cover-up, rest assured. Banning it will be like banning porn: it requires specialized mutaween to cane the right people.

Follow Farage and you will have major species extinction, follow Choudary and mankind will be saved.
Without Islamism one cannot reject progress Image
Liberal Conservative
...and many more self-contrarianism!

Economic Left/Right: 1.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.36

Islamic Government wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:You're not really saying much about Yazidi and Christian girls raped by the mujahids, either. I ask you again: do you approve of IS' practice of sex slavery or not?

Yes, I approve.

IRL anime best girl shitposter.

User avatar
The East Marches
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13843
Founded: May 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby The East Marches » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:53 am

Itoshiki wrote:
The East Marches wrote:3D waifus will have to be banned though. RIP birth rate.

It's just a logical conclusion of the continuous rising quality of life and racial puritanism in the West. Just look at the Yamato to see how well it worked out. Better healthcare + better algorithm = pension crisis inevitably leading to development of artificial waifus with ideal neotenized traits. Robots taking care of the elderly are just a cover-up, rest assured. Banning it will be like banning porn: it requires specialized mutaween to cane the right people.

Follow Farage and you will have major species extinction, follow Choudary and mankind will be saved.
Without Islamism one cannot reject progress Image


King Farrage will lead us to victory and increased birthrates. He will banish this decedent anime and make the West pure again. No matter how hard you try Indonesian, you cant erase the victories of recent years. We won't let Japan win 70 years later. :^)
Conserative Morality wrote:Move to a real state bud instead of a third-world country that inexplicably votes in American elections.


Novus America wrote:But yes, I would say the mere existence of Illinois proves this is hell. Chicago the 9th circle.

User avatar
Theodosiya
Minister
 
Posts: 3145
Founded: Oct 10, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Theodosiya » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:56 am

The East Marches wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:It's just a logical conclusion of the continuous rising quality of life and racial puritanism in the West. Just look at the Yamato to see how well it worked out. Better healthcare + better algorithm = pension crisis inevitably leading to development of artificial waifus with ideal neotenized traits. Robots taking care of the elderly are just a cover-up, rest assured. Banning it will be like banning porn: it requires specialized mutaween to cane the right people.

Follow Farage and you will have major species extinction, follow Choudary and mankind will be saved.
Without Islamism one cannot reject progress Image


King Farrage will lead us to victory and increased birthrates. He will banish this decedent anime and make the West pure again. No matter how hard you try Indonesian, you cant erase the victories of recent years. We won't let Japan win 70 years later. :^)

What victories?
The strong rules over the weak
And the weak are ruled by the strong
It is the natural order

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Abserdia, Bagong Timog Mindanao, General TN, Keltionialang, Simonia, Spirit of Hope, Tarsonis, The Hazar Amisnery, Valrifall

Advertisement

Remove ads