Mass immigration: should we embrace it or not?

[Ostroeuropa]

There's only a few viable options:

One:
Ditch multiculturalism and begin a regime of forcing Muslims to integrate. Expect riots and do not be afraid to crack down with violence, imprisonments, confiscate property, and deport people who do so.

Ban circumcision, ban them home schooling, ban hijabs, ban gender segregation (Even in houses of worship), etc, etc, etc. force them into public schools, etc. Accept they need to change and go to war with their culture, backed by the truncheon should they rebel.

Change our media to negatively portray their culture and positively portray those who integrate. Sideline and no-platform progressives who complain about any of this.

This has the benefit of allowing muslims already integrated to largely escape the crackdown.

Two:
Deport the muslims.

Three:
Allow the continuing corrosion of society by refusing to abandon progressive dogma, until racial tensions reach the point where race riots or race war occurs.

I see no other alternatives.

Allowing further immigration while these problems persist is national suicide. We need to deal with the ones already here first. If someone has an alternative, by all means.

Or, alternatively, embrace multiculturalism. Where multiculturalism is used as an excuse for breaking the law, don't tolerate it - but that's not because of multiculturalism, it's because it's breaking the law.

I suspect you 'see no other alternatives' because you choose not to.

No laws were broken in that incident. If a culture is worse for society than another in terms of causing law breaking, why should it be tolerated?
Are you saying you are one of those people who thinks all cultures are equal?

[San Lumen]

Ok i don't agree with that at all but i still do not believe you should ban immigration. What would you have said to my great grandfather who came to the United States with his uncle to escape the pogroms and had nothing more in his pocket then the hope and dream to build a new life.
Shortly after Romania was ravaged by World War One and when the Holocaust occurred those in his family who didn't get out were killed. Many did get out fortunately. Had my great grandfather not come to the US when he did I would most likely not be typing this.

There's only a few viable options:

One:
Ditch multiculturalism and begin a regime of forcing Muslims to integrate. Expect riots and do not be afraid to crack down with violence, imprisonments, confiscate property, and deport people who do so.

Ban circumcision, ban them home schooling, ban hijabs, ban gender segregation (Even in houses of worship), etc, etc, etc. force them into public schools, etc. Accept they need to change and go to war with their culture, backed by the truncheon should they rebel.

Change our media to negatively portray their culture and positively portray those who integrate. Sideline and no-platform progressives who complain about any of this.

This has the benefit of allowing muslims already integrated to largely escape the crackdown.

Two:
Deport the muslims.

Three:
Allow the continuing corrosion of society by refusing to abandon progressive dogma, until racial tensions reach the point where race riots or race war occurs.

I see no other alternatives.

1) you cannot have a free society and then crack down on individual freedom. How much integration are we talking?

2) So your against freedom of religion then I gather?

3) and you want the media to badmouth a entire culture and religion simply because you don't like they are immigrating to your country? You want a media like that in Russia or China? Are you barking mad?

4) your other solution deport all Muslims even those who are citizens like the Mayor of London. Sounds awful lot like what occurred in Germany in 1930s

5)Race riots and race wars because of progressive thinking? Are you serious?

[Ostroeuropa]

There's only a few viable options:

One:
Ditch multiculturalism and begin a regime of forcing Muslims to integrate. Expect riots and do not be afraid to crack down with violence, imprisonments, confiscate property, and deport people who do so.

Ban circumcision, ban them home schooling, ban hijabs, ban gender segregation (Even in houses of worship), etc, etc, etc. force them into public schools, etc. Accept they need to change and go to war with their culture, backed by the truncheon should they rebel.

Change our media to negatively portray their culture and positively portray those who integrate. Sideline and no-platform progressives who complain about any of this.

This has the benefit of allowing muslims already integrated to largely escape the crackdown.

Two:
Deport the muslims.

Three:
Allow the continuing corrosion of society by refusing to abandon progressive dogma, until racial tensions reach the point where race riots or race war occurs.

I see no other alternatives.

1) you cannot have a free society and then crack down on individual freedom. How much integration are we talking?

2) So your against freedom of religion then I gather?

3) and you want the media to badmouth a entire culture and religion simply because you don't like they are immigrating to your country? You want a media like that in Russia or China? Are you barking mad?

4) your other solution deport all Muslims even those who are citizens like the Mayor of London. Sounds awful lot like what occurred in Germany in 1930s

5)Race riots and race wars because of progressive thinking? Are you serious?

1. As much as it takes.

2. I am ambivalent about it.

3. You've already conceded that what you just saw isn't acceptable. Why shouldn't it be?

4. It is a solution which would resolve this problem.

5. Yes.

I note you provided absolutely no alternatives to the solutions offered, because there aren't any. Your only option is denial of the worsening tensions and inevitable race-base conflict, despite evidence of escalating violence and tensions.

The Islamic World and its cultures are no different than The Aztec Empire and theirs on this point:

It is not a thing with which we can co-exist. Seperated by large bodies of water, it's less of a problem.
Begin importing them to your country, though...

[San Lumen]

1) you cannot have a free society and then crack down on individual freedom. How much integration are we talking?

2) So your against freedom of religion then I gather?

3) and you want the media to badmouth a entire culture and religion simply because you don't like they are immigrating to your country? You want a media like that in Russia or China? Are you barking mad?

4) your other solution deport all Muslims even those who are citizens like the Mayor of London. Sounds awful lot like what occurred in Germany in 1930s

5)Race riots and race wars because of progressive thinking? Are you serious?

1. As much as it takes.

2. I am ambivalent about it.

3. You've already conceded that what you just saw isn't acceptable. Why shouldn't it be?

4. It is a solution which would resolve this problem.

5. Yes.

I note you provided absolutely no alternatives to the solutions offered, because there aren't any. Your only option is denial of the worsening tensions and inevitable race-base conflict.

So your against freedom of religion and want to ban and remove from your country all people of certain religion. Isn't that what was done in Nazi Germany? This whole argument screams of pure nationalism and white supremacy.

I don't believe in the media being used to badmouth a culture and religion. They are there to report newsworthy things not propaganda.

You still didn't address the scenario of my great grandfather leaving Romania with his uncle to escape the pogroms and coming war. Many of his family got out during the time between the two World Wars. Had he not come to the United States when he did I wouldn't be typing this right now most likely. What would you have said to him? You cant immigrate?

Your ancestors were likely immigrants too. The only true native peoples are those in the Great Rift Valley in Africa everyone else is a descendent of immigrants.

[Grave_n_idle]

No laws were broken in that incident. If a culture is worse for society than another in terms of causing law breaking, why should it be tolerated?

Who measures 'worse''?

I mean, there are some pretty good metrics we could use - whether or not laws are being broken, for example. But as you say, that's not actually happening.

So.. why ban headcoverings? Why ban segregated places of worship? What are we going to do with nuns - it seems like you're attacking them twice.

Are you saying you are one of those people who thinks all cultures are equal?

Oh lord, no. This new nationalist culture that's on the rise right now for example - despicable.

[Ostroeuropa]

1. As much as it takes.

2. I am ambivalent about it.

3. You've already conceded that what you just saw isn't acceptable. Why shouldn't it be?

4. It is a solution which would resolve this problem.

5. Yes.

I note you provided absolutely no alternatives to the solutions offered, because there aren't any. Your only option is denial of the worsening tensions and inevitable race-base conflict.

So your against freedom of religion and want to ban and remove from your country all people of certain religion. Isn't that what was done in Nazi Germany? This whole argument screams of pure nationalism and white supremacy.

I don't believe in the media being used to badmouth a culture and religion. They are there to report newsworthy things not propaganda.

You still didn't address the scenario of my great grandfather leaving Romania with his uncle to escape the pogroms and coming war. Many of his family got out during the time between the two World Wars. Had he not come to the US I wouldn't be typing this right now most likely. What would you have said to him? You cant immigrate?

Your ancestors were likely immigrants too. The only true native peoples are those in the Great Rift Valley in Africa everyone else is a descendent of immigrants.

Sikhs, Hindus, and lots of other religions aren't causing the same problems, so how is this "White supremacy"?

I don't need to address the scenario, because romanians aren't causing the same problems at the same rates either.

[Opfornia]

So your against freedom of religion and want to ban and remove from your country all people of certain religion. Isn't that what was done in Nazi Germany? This whole argument screams of pure nationalism and white supremacy.

I don't believe in the media being used to badmouth a culture and religion. They are there to report newsworthy things not propaganda.

You still didn't address the scenario of my great grandfather leaving Romania with his uncle to escape the pogroms and coming war. Many of his family got out during the time between the two World Wars. Had he not come to the US I wouldn't be typing this right now most likely. What would you have said to him? You cant immigrate?

Your ancestors were likely immigrants too. The only true native peoples are those in the Great Rift Valley in Africa everyone else is a descendent of immigrants.

Your comparison to Hitler is tasteless, no one is calling for the mass extermination of Muslims, show some class and a little respect toward the Holocaust.

I am the child of two immigrants. The past is the past, things change with time, the situation isn't even remotely comparable to your great grandfather or my own parents.

[San Lumen]

So your against freedom of religion and want to ban and remove from your country all people of certain religion. Isn't that what was done in Nazi Germany? This whole argument screams of pure nationalism and white supremacy.

I don't believe in the media being used to badmouth a culture and religion. They are there to report newsworthy things not propaganda.

You still didn't address the scenario of my great grandfather leaving Romania with his uncle to escape the pogroms and coming war. Many of his family got out during the time between the two World Wars. Had he not come to the US I wouldn't be typing this right now most likely. What would you have said to him? You cant immigrate?

Your ancestors were likely immigrants too. The only true native peoples are those in the Great Rift Valley in Africa everyone else is a descendent of immigrants.

Your comparison to Hitler is tasteless, no one is calling for the mass extermination of Muslims, show some class and a little respect toward the Holocaust.

I am the child of two immigrants. The past is the past, things change with time, the situation isn't even remotely comparable to your great grandfather or my own parents.

I was not making a comparison to Hitler. I was pointing out that calling for the banning of a entire religion and removal from the country is just like what happened in 1930s Europe. I did not say the above poster was calling for the extermination of Muslims.

[Opfornia]

I was not making a comparison to Hitler. I was pointing out that calling for the banning of a entire religion and removal from the country is just like what happened in 1930s Europe. I did not say the above poster was calling for the extermination of Muslims.

You made a direct comparison to Nazi Germany, which murdered millions of people, you're giving a false equivalency. Deporting and returning muslims is not anywhere near forcing them into labor and concentration camps.

[Ostroeuropa]

Your comparison to Hitler is tasteless, no one is calling for the mass extermination of Muslims, show some class and a little respect toward the Holocaust.

I am the child of two immigrants. The past is the past, things change with time, the situation isn't even remotely comparable to your great grandfather or my own parents.

I was not making a comparison to Hitler. I was pointing out that calling for the banning of a entire religion and removal from the country is just like what happened in 1930s Europe. I did not say the above poster was calling for the extermination of Muslims.

Then why make the comparison? Don't dodge his point. It's as ridiculous as when people go off about Stalin when people propose railway nationalization, but while that's now thankfully a fringe on the right, it's almost the entirety of the progressive left and how they act on these issues.

It's the White Scare in full swing.

[San Lumen]

I was not making a comparison to Hitler. I was pointing out that calling for the banning of a entire religion and removal from the country is just like what happened in 1930s Europe. I did not say the above poster was calling for the extermination of Muslims.

You made a direct comparison to Nazi Germany, which murdered millions of people, you're giving a false equivalency. Deporting and returning muslims is not anywhere near forcing them into labor and concentration camps.

So you agree with was Ostroeuropa said that all Muslims should be deported even if they are citizens including the Mayor of London? If someone is an illegal immigrant they should be deported if they committed a major crime. If someone is a refugee or requesting political asylum that is a entirely different matter.

[Ostroeuropa]

You made a direct comparison to Nazi Germany, which murdered millions of people, you're giving a false equivalency. Deporting and returning muslims is not anywhere near forcing them into labor and concentration camps.

So you agree with was Ostroeuropa said that all Muslims should be deported even if they are citizens including the Mayor of London? If someone is an illegal immigrant they should be deported if they committed a major crime. If someone is a refugee or requesting political asylum that is a entirely different matter.

I said it would solve the problem and outlined the alternatives, which you have still not managed to propose your own solution of, just calling all the ones available akin to nazi solutions. If someone is an illegal immigrant, they should be deported whether or not they have committed a crime, they're illegal.

You have no answers, and your only argument is "NAZI!". This is why the left is losing the battle.

[Grave_n_idle]

I was not making a comparison to Hitler. I was pointing out that calling for the banning of a entire religion and removal from the country is just like what happened in 1930s Europe. I did not say the above poster was calling for the extermination of Muslims.

You made a direct comparison to Nazi Germany, which murdered millions of people, you're giving a false equivalency. Deporting and returning muslims is not anywhere near forcing them into labor and concentration camps.

It's not a false equivalency to say "So your against freedom of religion and want to ban and remove from your country all people of certain religion. Isn't that what was done in Nazi Germany?"

Saying that mass deportations are the same as genocide MIGHT be a false equivalency.. but that wasn't what the other poster said - that was how YOU (misre-)presented it.

[Opfornia]

So you agree with was Ostroeuropa said that all Muslims should be deported even if they are citizens including the Mayor of London? If someone is an illegal immigrant they should be deported if they committed a major crime. If someone is a refugee or requesting political asylum that is a entirely different matter.

Personally I would settle for returning all refugees and asylum seekers.

[Grave_n_idle]

So you agree with was Ostroeuropa said that all Muslims should be deported even if they are citizens including the Mayor of London? If someone is an illegal immigrant they should be deported if they committed a major crime. If someone is a refugee or requesting political asylum that is a entirely different matter.

I said it would solve the problem and outlined the alternatives, which you have still not managed to propose your own solution of, just calling all the ones available akin to nazi solutions. If someone is an illegal immigrant, they should be deported whether or not they have committed a crime, they're illegal.

You have no answers, and your only argument is "NAZI!". This is why the left is losing the battle.

'The left' isn't losing the battle. This is not a left/right issue.

It's very telling that you think it is, though.

[Opfornia]

It's not a false equivalency to say "So your against freedom of religion and want to ban and remove from your country all people of certain religion. Isn't that what was done in Nazi Germany?"

Saying that mass deportations are the same as genocide MIGHT be a false equivalency.. but that wasn't what the other poster said - that was how YOU (misre-)presented it.

What Nazi Germany did was exterminate jews en masse. Suming it up as "ban and remove from your country" for the sake of a slimey comparison is intellectually dishonest and, as I said, classless.

[San Lumen]

So you agree with was Ostroeuropa said that all Muslims should be deported even if they are citizens including the Mayor of London? If someone is an illegal immigrant they should be deported if they committed a major crime. If someone is a refugee or requesting political asylum that is a entirely different matter.

I said it would solve the problem and outlined the alternatives, which you have still not managed to propose your own solution of, just calling all the ones available akin to nazi solutions. If someone is an illegal immigrant, they should be deported whether or not they have committed a crime, they're illegal.

You have no answers, and your only argument is "NAZI!". This is why the left is losing the battle.

So you want to deport citizens of your country simply because of their religion? Sadiq Khan should be removed from the office of Mayor and kicked out of the country because of his religion even though he is citizen. How very dictatorial.

So you think a country should turn its back on people fleeing Syria and Eritrea and other countries?

Its so easy for you to say you'd send them back when you've never known what its like to live in country where there is no freedom of the press, religion, speech or assembly? Or for the government to kick your door in and drag you away for speaking out against the government, your religion or who you love.

I know someone who left Nigeria were being gay is illegal. You would just send him back and say deal with it? And he is a legal immigrant by the way.

[Ostroeuropa]

I said it would solve the problem and outlined the alternatives, which you have still not managed to propose your own solution of, just calling all the ones available akin to nazi solutions. If someone is an illegal immigrant, they should be deported whether or not they have committed a crime, they're illegal.

You have no answers, and your only argument is "NAZI!". This is why the left is losing the battle.

So you want to deport citizens of your country simply because of their religion? Sadiq Khan should be removed from the office of Mayor and kicked out of the country because of his religion even though he is citizen. How very dictatorial.

So you think a country should turn its back on people fleeing Syria and Eritrea and other countries?

Its so easy for you to say you'd send them back when you've never known what its like to live in country where there is no freedom of the press, religion, speech or assembly? Or for the government to kick your door in and drag you away for speaking out against the government, your religion or who you love.

I know someone who left Nigeria were being gay is illegal. You would just send him back and say deal with it? And he is a legal immigrant by the way.

You're still not understanding.

If I want to get into my house I can break a window. It's a solution. It doesn't mean I support it, merely that it would work.

Deporting all the muslims is a solution. It would work.

Do you have any alternatives, other than the ones I already outlined? (Crackdown. Go to war with regressive cultures. Abandon multiculturalism.)

Because i've still seen absolutely no solutions from you.

Let's ignore the crackdown option I outlined since you're so intent on doing so, and focus on the deports.

So let's phrase it this way;

Do you want to deport all the muslims, OR, do you want large swathes of the western world to become Saudi Arabian?

I'd go with deporting the muslims personally.
Is there another option i'm not seeing? Because you haven't pointed it out, just gotten angry and called people names for noticing what's happening.

Go ahead. Tell me again how its evil to deport them, and spend not one single second considering if its a lesser evil.

[Grave_n_idle]

It's not a false equivalency to say "So your against freedom of religion and want to ban and remove from your country all people of certain religion. Isn't that what was done in Nazi Germany?"

Saying that mass deportations are the same as genocide MIGHT be a false equivalency.. but that wasn't what the other poster said - that was how YOU (misre-)presented it.

What Nazi Germany did was exterminate jews en masse. Suming it up as "ban and remove from your country" for the sake of a slimey comparison is intellectually dishonest and, as I said, classless.

'What Nazi Germany did' was a process and a spectrum. It wasn't just genocide, it wasn't just Jews, and it wasn't just in the cute little window of Concentration Camps.

It was clamping down on political dissent, targeting people to disenfranchise based on their religion, ethnicity, gender-orientation, disability. It was persecution of minorities and a tyrannical intolerance of dissent. It was making people less-than-human through dialogue and then through direct action - der untermensch. It was chasing certain groups into silence, into ghettos, and out of the country.

Yes, eventually - it even resulted in genocide. Why do you think people who have studied history are so concerned about this descent into the same politics?

[San Lumen]

So you want to deport citizens of your country simply because of their religion? Sadiq Khan should be removed from the office of Mayor and kicked out of the country because of his religion even though he is citizen. How very dictatorial.

So you think a country should turn its back on people fleeing Syria and Eritrea and other countries?

Its so easy for you to say you'd send them back when you've never known what its like to live in country where there is no freedom of the press, religion, speech or assembly? Or for the government to kick your door in and drag you away for speaking out against the government, your religion or who you love.

I know someone who left Nigeria were being gay is illegal. You would just send him back and say deal with it? And he is a legal immigrant by the way.

You're still not understanding.

If I want to get into my house I can break a window. It's a solution. It doesn't mean I support it, merely that it would work.

Deporting all the muslims is a solution. It would work.

Do you have any alternatives, other than the ones I already outlined? (Crackdown. Go to war with regressive cultures. Abandon multiculturalism.)

Because i've still seen absolutely no solutions from you.

what I'm not understanding is your wanting to deport citizens of your country. Sadiq Khan is a citizen of the UK born and raised and you think he should be removed and deported because of his religion.

You said a friend of mine should lose his job with the bank he works for even though he has a work visa because he is not British. We have a interconnected planet and if someone wants to immigrate legally they should have that right. If someone from another country wants to work for Ralph Lauren or Ted Baker and gets a work visa legally and comes to the country legally they should have that right. How is what you've been suggesting not nationalism?

I am not for open borders. I do agree there has to be a system for immigration. However what i will not do is turn my back on people leaving a country that is collapsing and others leaving dictatorship for a better life.

[Ostroeuropa]

You're still not understanding.

If I want to get into my house I can break a window. It's a solution. It doesn't mean I support it, merely that it would work.

Deporting all the muslims is a solution. It would work.

Do you have any alternatives, other than the ones I already outlined? (Crackdown. Go to war with regressive cultures. Abandon multiculturalism.)

Because i've still seen absolutely no solutions from you.

what I'm not understanding is your wanting to deport citizens of your country. Sadiq Khan is a citizen of the UK born and raised and you think he should be removed and deported because of his religion.

You said a friend of mine should lose his job with the bank he works for even though he has a work visa because he is not British. We have a interconnected planet and if someone wants to immigrate legally they should have that right. If someone from another country wants to work for Ralph Lauren or Ted Baker and gets a work visa legally and comes to the country legally they should have that right. How is what you've been suggesting not nationalism?

I am not for open borders. I do agree there has to be a system for immigration. However what i will not do is turn my back on people leaving a country that is collapsing and others leaving dictatorship for a better life.

I expanded the post you quoted to try and help you understand.

Yes, it's nationalism. I'm a nationalist. I'm fine with that.

Once again though, you have proposed absolutely no alternate solutions to the problem, and i'll keep pointing it out. It's not a matter of immigration.
The problem is already here, in our society, festering. It is a regressive culture that does not belong here. What should we do about it?
How should incidents like the one in Paris be resolved?

[Opfornia]

'What Nazi Germany did' was a process and a spectrum. It wasn't just genocide, it wasn't just Jews, and it wasn't just in the cute little window of Concentration Camps.

It was clamping down on political dissent, targeting people to disenfranchise based on their religion, ethnicity, gender-orientation, disability. It was persecution of minorities and a tyrannical intolerance of dissent. It was making people less-than-human through dialogue and then through direct action - der untermensch. It was chasing certain groups into silence, into ghettos, and out of the country.

Yes, eventually - it even resulted in genocide. Why do you think people who have studied history are so concerned about this descent into the same politics?

Calling for the removal and banning of muslims would immediately lead us to adopting all of Nazi Germany's fascist social policies, ok, gotcha.

They made a direct correlation between Nazi Germany's position with banning and removing JUDAISM, which they did by murdering them by the millions.

So your against freedom of religion and want to ban and remove from your country all people of certain religion. Isn't that what was done in Nazi Germany? This whole argument screams of pure nationalism and white supremacy.

[Novus America]

You're the ones who voted a saturday morning cartoon character into office, not us. And who is preaching pretty much the exact opposite of what you are saying, so maybe you should tone down the "America" thing a bit over the next four years.

“Your argument is wrong because of something you had no control over! It is not possible for you to be talking of a state of should rather than a state of is!”

If your argument is like that, are you also in favor of abolishing taxes and all other duties/services citizens are expected to offer their respective states too? If the particular state should not show any favoritism towards its own citizens, why should they show any favoritism towards it either?

No. People working within the US should pay taxes (and currently many do). That said, our tax system is fucked.

That is all well and good, but why do our borders have to be any more open? Why should we encourage illegal immigrants to forgo legal immigration?

Wha-?

How could any immigration be illegal if it is all legal? Your post confuses me.

Under my system there would be visas with the associate background checks etc. but there would be no quotas or restrictions on issuance of visas and permits. Quotas are racist. Full stop.

Quotas are not racist unless race based. Limiting the number of immigrants to the number we can reasonably accomdate is logical, not racist. If tens of millions are pouring in every year how will we house them? Build adaquate infrastructure? Have enough immigration officers to screen them?

Going back to the disease ridden crime filled immigrant slums of the late 1800s is not a good idea.

[San Lumen]

what I'm not understanding is your wanting to deport citizens of your country. Sadiq Khan is a citizen of the UK born and raised and you think he should be removed and deported because of his religion.

You said a friend of mine should lose his job with the bank he works for even though he has a work visa because he is not British. We have a interconnected planet and if someone wants to immigrate legally they should have that right. If someone from another country wants to work for Ralph Lauren or Ted Baker and gets a work visa legally and comes to the country legally they should have that right. How is what you've been suggesting not nationalism?

I am not for open borders. I do agree there has to be a system for immigration. However what i will not do is turn my back on people leaving a country that is collapsing and others leaving dictatorship for a better life.

I expanded the post you quoted to try and help you understand.

Yes, it's nationalism. I'm a nationalist. I'm fine with that.

Nationalism is part of the reason why World War One started.

So you want to deport citizens of your country simply because of their religion? Sadiq Khan should be removed from the office of Mayor and kicked out of the country because of his religion even though he is citizen. How very dictatorial.

So you think a country should turn its back on people fleeing Syria and Eritrea and other countries?

Its so easy for you to say you'd send them back when you've never known what its like to live in country where there is no freedom of the press, religion, speech or assembly? Or for the government to kick your door in and drag you away for speaking out against the government, your religion or who you love.

I know someone who left Nigeria were being gay is illegal. You would just send him back and say deal with it? And he is a legal immigrant by the way.

You're still not understanding.

If I want to get into my house I can break a window. It's a solution. It doesn't mean I support it, merely that it would work.

Deporting all the muslims is a solution. It would work.

Do you have any alternatives, other than the ones I already outlined? (Crackdown. Go to war with regressive cultures. Abandon multiculturalism.)

Because i've still seen absolutely no solutions from you.

Let's ignore the crackdown option I outlined since you're so intent on doing so, and focus on the deports.

So let's phrase it this way;

Do you want to deport all the muslims, OR, do you want large swathes of the western world to become Saudi Arabian?

I'd go with deporting the muslims personally.
Is there another option i'm not seeing? Because you haven't pointed it out, just gotten angry and called people names for noticing what's happening.

Go ahead. Tell me again how its evil to deport them, and spend not one single second considering if its a lesser evil.

No i don't want to deport a entire religion and citizens of my country strictly because of what some of them believe. I have a friends who are Muslim some born and raised in the US and they do not believe in radical Islam but you think they should be deported even though they are citizens.

I believe in freedom of religion and expressions and democracy. I'm not going to label and have xenophobic attitudes towards an entire group because of the actions of a few.

This sort of thinking was seen all throughout the Southern United States for decades towards African Americans and yet people seem to think its ok towards Muslims.

I have no problem with diversity and multiculturalism. The United Kingdom isn't going to become like Saudi Arabia not by a long shot.

[Grave_n_idle]

Calling for the removal and banning of muslims would immediately lead us to adopting all of Nazi Germany's fascist social policies, ok, gotcha.

Al the posts are stil visible for anyone that cares to read.

I realise you have no actual answer to what I did say, but why pretend I said something else?

They made a direct correlation between Nazi Germany's position with banning and removing JUDAISM, which they did by murdering them by the millions.

I quoted what 'they' said. I can quote it again, if you like.