BongBongLand (Philippine) Discussion Thread

[Victoriala II]

Good on them. Here's hoping the reaffirmists die off so we wouldn't deal with much bullshit. Worst case scenario would be them cucking for neolibs like the cpusa.

naw the reason they'd switch is because the size of the NDF and affiliate orgs and parties is nothing to laugh at when taken as a whole, under a more pluralistic constitution they'd be a real electoral force.
Reaffirmist or rejectionist, folks tend to gravitate towards the path of least resistance between their personal comforts and social aspirations.

Doubt they'd have considerable force in the future though, Filipistan still doesn't like radical attitudes. Ask anyone here.

[Pasong Tirad]

Taga-Batangas ba kayo?

[Gim]

Taga-Batangas ba kayo?

To speak Filipino, I think you should go to the Filipino language thread. if there's none, just create your own.

[Pasong Tirad]

Taga-Batangas ba kayo?

To speak Filipino, I think you should go to the Filipino language thread. if there's none, just create your own.

This is the Philippines thread. I can speak Filipino in this thread.

[Gim]

To speak Filipino, I think you should go to the Filipino language thread. if there's none, just create your own.

This is the Philippines thread. I can speak Filipino in this thread.

It's a Duterte thread?

[Pasong Tirad]

This is the Philippines thread. I can speak Filipino in this thread.

It's a Duterte thread?

It says "DuterteLand (Philippine) Discussion Thread"

I can speak Filipino in here because it's not against the fucking rules, so long as I'm not using Filipino to hide the fact that I'm flaming or some other shit.

Now, back to what I posted earlier:

Oy mga brad taga-Batangas ba kayo? Naramdaman ko 'yung lindol dito.

[Gim]

It's a Duterte thread?

It says "DuterteLand (Philippine) Discussion Thread"

I can speak Filipino in here because it's not against the fucking rules, so long as I'm not using Filipino to hide the fact that I'm flaming or some other shit.

Now, back to what I posted earlier:

Oy mga brad taga-Batangas ba kayo? Naramdaman ko 'yung lindol dito.

Whoa, calm down there, lad.

[Victoriala II]

It's a Duterte thread?

It says "DuterteLand (Philippine) Discussion Thread"

I can speak Filipino in here because it's not against the fucking rules, so long as I'm not using Filipino to hide the fact that I'm flaming or some other shit.

Now, back to what I posted earlier:

Oy mga brad taga-Batangas ba kayo? Naramdaman ko 'yung lindol dito.

oy oy wag ka mag pantal jan

[Kubra]

naw the reason they'd switch is because the size of the NDF and affiliate orgs and parties is nothing to laugh at when taken as a whole, under a more pluralistic constitution they'd be a real electoral force.
Reaffirmist or rejectionist, folks tend to gravitate towards the path of least resistance between their personal comforts and social aspirations.

Doubt they'd have considerable force in the future though, Filipistan still doesn't like radical attitudes. Ask anyone here.

The most radical thing about the CPP is the insurgency. The NDF and affiliates doen't exactly hit the street yelling "expropriate toothbrushes", they do put some effort in making their pitches seem appealing.
I mean, I'll admit they don't do enough, their may day placards are still dumb, but can't have everything you want.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

1. And again, you fail to take into consideration that cultures are a human invention that transcends race all together, culture is squarely made up of practices, some good, but some bad, and at the end of the day all cultures have or have had inferior cultural practices, whether it be sacrificing babies to gods, allowing slavery, or just generally institutionalising racism, it is the job of those who know of more superior practices to eliminate these practices by teaching them what is the right thing to do, whether it be teaching some Arabian camel herder to be more respectful to women, or some middle aged white female school teacher in Kentucky to be more understanding of the economic situation of African Americans. And as such, certain practices that the Hispanics left us such as the Hacienda system are practices that you continually support by saying that eliminating it is essentially racist, I mean after all it's Filipino now.

You've literally skirted around what I said. There's no way to tell whether or not which "cultural practices" are inferior and which are "superior." You're stuck in this colonial bubble that "America good, Spain baaad." Proving it even more by talking about how much I apparently love turning farmhands into slaves (never did, you can try and look for when I said it too). Culture changes with time, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. Trying to shove your "superior cultural practices" down other peoples throats isn't going to solve anything.

2. The point is talk to people and you learn stuff.

So ano? I don't talk?

3. Migration? The Spanish didn't migrate there, yet somehow it's racist to try and eliminate certain inferior cultural practices left behind because of... What was it again? Oh yeah, somehow you believing that Culture = Race.

That's literally my point - that you once again seem to miss due to your fanciful ability to cherry-pick. The Spanish didn't migrate, they colonized. The first Malays and Aeta migrated, the Spanish did not.

4. What are you talking about? There's a difference between dwelling in the past and worrying about the future by thinking of solutions in the present.

That's literally what BBM said. Thanks for proving my point.

5. And if your grandparents somehow stopped the invasion of the whole Japanese army, I'd believe them too, but whoopsie daisy.

Did yours?

6. Said hypocritically, by the guy who's debating with me on ensuring the maintenance of inferior cultural practices left behind to us by an Empire that built our state out of blood, sweat, and bones.

An empire that build our state out of blood ,sweat, and bones? Are you talking about the Spanish? Or the Americans? Or no no are you talking about the Japanese?

7. At the end of the day my point is simple, if you think I'm an elitist, think again, because as I've pointed out, I have done more to alleviate the suffering of our citizens nationwide by simply visiting for a month, than you have done by living there your whole life.

Vic replied to this best, I think.

1. Uh, I never said anything about forcing people to practice different cultural practices. The fact of the matter is, you still fail to accept that cultural practices DO NOT EQUATE TO RACE, I mean if it did, then Islam, Christianity, and Hinduism would also be races of their own, it's just preposterous how you basically equate something that has nothing to do with race with race to try and paint people with whom you don't agree with as "racist" or "elitist" despite being hypocritically on your own high horse of "being one with the poor" as you do so. At the end of the day, I'm advocating for the abolition of the Hacienda system as an example, however you're screaming bloody murder over a system that OPPRESSES YOUR FELLOW DESTITUTE CITIZENS, in the name of RACE, which again, makes no sense.

2. If you're complaining this much, then that seems to be the case.

3. The Malays displaced the Aeta culture when they moved into the islands, and since "race" = "culture" for you, that essentially equates to genocide by all technical purposes, so technically, the Malays "colonised" not "migrated".

4. Said the guy who fails to provide a linking quote to quote end quote "prove his point". Uh, knock knock, this is the Philippine Thread, not the Fox News Thread, we provide evidence on this thread when making direct literal quotes thank you very much.

5. They didn't, such is why I take their words over yours, because they accepted that the bombardment was necessary as there were Japs in the City, now if your grand parents stopped the Japs from invading, then they would have been right about not needing to bombard Manila, but they didn't repel the invasion did they?

6. Well, The Japanese never built us up, period. And I'm pro-America for the sole reason that they developed us more than they destroyed us in the war, so which Empire do you think I'm referring to? Do you want me to give you a 350 year hint? (sarcasm)

7. As I said before, "elitist" does NOT equal "The Elite" or "The Privileged", "Elitist" people NEVER HELP THE POOR, their sole purpose in life is to be BETTER THAN EVERYONE AROUND THEM, that's what an "elitist" is.

[Victoriala II]

Well, since you're messing around with semantics here, we can say you're trying to be better than us by posturing like a self righteous charity-donating Thomasite. Still elitist.

We aren't kids here, trousers

[Mabuhay Land]

Hello! I am from the capital of the Philippines and I want for us to talk about how will federalism in the Philippines will work and what are the states. I am asking you guys to. I do not have a idea.

[Victoriala II]

Hello! I am from the capital of the Philippines and I want for us to talk about how will federalism in the Philippines will work and what are the states. I am asking you guys to. I do not have a idea.

One of the current issues with federalism is that it doesn't have a concrete plan or view yet. How far does federal and state power go? Which policies should be prioritized? What about the current political situation (political dynasties, corruption)?

If we're implying a great level of autonomy among states (confederal, little to no central oversight) them you'll get major infighting and a lot of shitflinging among the federal states when they're allowed to do whatever they want at the expense of the others. Worst case scenario.

[Stormwrath]

So.... This happened.

Yeah, I kinda expected this. I doubt it was a victory for "big business" though.

[Theodosiya]

Well, at least your president support her.

[Stormwrath]

Well, at least your president support her.

Certainly, but he's probably gonna respect whatever happened.

Personally, I don't agree with her work as DENR Secretary. While certainly uncovering massive environmental degradation on the part of certain mining companies is remarkable and badly needed to give people a wake-up call to the problem, the solutions she proposed to do are designed to kill the Philippine mining industry - which might give us the side effect of being forced to import minerals from other countries, which will place us under their whim. Yes, environmental preservation is good and all, but to get rid of an entire industrial sector for the sake of protecting Mother Nature from humanity's destructive means of acquiring resources is ignoring the fact that minerals are basically in everything from your appliances to your gadgets and even to the tools of farmers and fishermen that she so adamantly supports.

As for her reasons for doing these, namely in the name of "social justice" and "protecting the poor from the interests of big business", I find her cherry-picking of the Constitution to justify her executive actions laughable. And many of these have nothing to do with protecting and preserving our environment and more to do with equal distribution of wealth among all Filipinos - which while a thing that the DENR has a role in is not its primary reason for existing in the first place.

[Victoriala II]

daily reminder god left this place long ago

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Well, at least your president support her.

Certainly, but he's probably gonna respect whatever happened.

Personally, I don't agree with her work as DENR Secretary. While certainly uncovering massive environmental degradation on the part of certain mining companies is remarkable and badly needed to give people a wake-up call to the problem, the solutions she proposed to do are designed to kill the Philippine mining industry - which might give us the side effect of being forced to import minerals from other countries, which will place us under their whim. Yes, environmental preservation is good and all, but to get rid of an entire industrial sector for the sake of protecting Mother Nature from humanity's destructive means of acquiring resources is ignoring the fact that minerals are basically in everything from your appliances to your gadgets and even to the tools of farmers and fishermen that she so adamantly supports.

As for her reasons for doing these, namely in the name of "social justice" and "protecting the poor from the interests of big business", I find her cherry-picking of the Constitution to justify her executive actions laughable. And many of these have nothing to do with protecting and preserving our environment and more to do with equal distribution of wealth among all Filipinos - which while a thing that the DENR has a role in is not its primary reason for existing in the first place.

I agree, I personally believe her intentions are good, but she's not looking at the adverse effects of her extremist policies, she needs a more compromising and sustainable solution than the current one, I mean we account for 10% of the entire World's Nickel supply afterall, for example, so she can't just stall that, we need the money.

[Victoriala II]

well lest there are no alternatives planned on the table yet the whole point's moot from here

[Stormwrath]

Certainly, but he's probably gonna respect whatever happened.

Personally, I don't agree with her work as DENR Secretary. While certainly uncovering massive environmental degradation on the part of certain mining companies is remarkable and badly needed to give people a wake-up call to the problem, the solutions she proposed to do are designed to kill the Philippine mining industry - which might give us the side effect of being forced to import minerals from other countries, which will place us under their whim. Yes, environmental preservation is good and all, but to get rid of an entire industrial sector for the sake of protecting Mother Nature from humanity's destructive means of acquiring resources is ignoring the fact that minerals are basically in everything from your appliances to your gadgets and even to the tools of farmers and fishermen that she so adamantly supports.

As for her reasons for doing these, namely in the name of "social justice" and "protecting the poor from the interests of big business", I find her cherry-picking of the Constitution to justify her executive actions laughable. And many of these have nothing to do with protecting and preserving our environment and more to do with equal distribution of wealth among all Filipinos - which while a thing that the DENR has a role in is not its primary reason for existing in the first place.

I agree, I personally believe her intentions are good, but she's not looking at the adverse effects of her extremist policies, she needs a more compromising and sustainable solution than the current one, I mean we account for 10% of the entire World's Nickel supply afterall, for example, so she can't just stall that, we need the money.

Indeed. But it's not like she's going to give up her environmental and social justice advocacies just to have the money come in. Because apparently the preservation of Mother Earth is a lot more important than an additional 70 billion pesos into the economy.

[Pasong Tirad]

In other news, the UN Special Rapporteur is here.

[Stormwrath]

In other news, the UN Special Rapporteur is here.

Eh.

[Victoriala II]

I agree, I personally believe her intentions are good, but she's not looking at the adverse effects of her extremist policies, she needs a more compromising and sustainable solution than the current one, I mean we account for 10% of the entire World's Nickel supply afterall, for example, so she can't just stall that, we need the money.

Indeed. But it's not like she's going to give up her environmental and social justice advocacies just to have the money come in. Because apparently the preservation of Mother Earth is a lot more important than an additional 70 billion pesos into the economy.

>are we even getting the mad cash made from the whole thing

[Stormwrath]

Indeed. But it's not like she's going to give up her environmental and social justice advocacies just to have the money come in. Because apparently the preservation of Mother Earth is a lot more important than an additional 70 billion pesos into the economy.

>are we even getting the mad cash made from the whole thing

Of course not. Not like your life would change even if you did.

[Victoriala II]

>are we even getting the mad cash made from the whole thing

Of course not. Not like your life would change even if you did.

hey just saying