BongBongLand (Philippine) Discussion Thread

[Isles of Metanoia]

I think Puerto Rico looks like a Sandwich, a Steak or Book. Want me to make an animated meme of this idea?

[Isles of Metanoia]

The Opening Arc of the Southeast Asian Games in Bulacan and the former US Military Base turned Philippine City, Clark is a huge fiasco.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/specials ... e-festival

Stupid Corrupt Administration! Brunei dropped trying to host the games midway during preparation because they said they weren't ready, how much more us who just picked it up midway and not in proper schedule?

You also have to factor in the corruption of this administration. Stupid! Now we're the laughing stock of.the region.

[Raptortant]

Who are you guys

[Kubra]

Who are you guys

filipinos.

[Isles of Metanoia]

Who are you guys

filipinos.

Lol why does the question need to be asked? Isn't it obvious from the thread title alone?

[Farnhamia]

filipinos.

Lol why does the question need to be asked? Isn't it obvious from the thread title alone?

Who reads thread titles? Or OPs, for that matter?

[Pasong Tirad]

Imagine being worse than Brunei lmao. A country that thought "Hey you know what would be a good idea? Stoning the gays. Yeah. That'll work." is better than us. Beautiful.

[Rojava Free State]

Who are you guys

The British army

[Free Santa Rosa]

NEW PEOPLE'S ARMY SOUTHERN TAGALOG SPOKESPERSON ARRESTED

The spokesperson for the NPA Southern Tagalog (Melito Glor Command) Jaime "Ka Diego" Padilla was arrested, Nov. 25, while recuperating in the Cardinal Santos Hospital in San Juan, Metro Manila. The 72-year old Ka Diego was confined in the hospital as a hors de combat when he was arrested on four counts of murder in San Jose, Occidental Mindoro.

Ka Diego, as a hors de combat is unable to take up active struggle as a member of the New People's Army. He is therefore under no legal obligation at the time he was confined in the hospital. Under the Geneva Convention, and the Comprehensive Agreement for the Respect of Human Rights and International Humanitarian Law, the Government of the Republic of the Philippines must recognize Ka Diego's status as hors de combat and give him appropriate humanitarian consideration.

Ka Diego is also a holder of a Joint Agreement on Security and Immunity Guarantees (JASIG) ID as a consultant in the peace talks between the GRP and the People's Democratic Government as represented by that National Democratic Front of the Philippines, thus making his immune to any criminal charges filed.

Ka Diego is currently nowhere to be found, having been spirited away by state forces from the CIDG-NCR office. His family and legal counsel have been trying to locate him since November 27, 12 noon, but the PNP refuses to divulge information on where he is or who is responsible for handling the case. These are the same tactics employed when Vicente Ladlad, NDFP consultant, was arrested on false charges of illegal possession of firearms and explosives - disappeared before paraded in a press conference to show their spoils.


Ka Diego's arrest only shows the Duterte regime's lack of interest in just and lasting peace! His disrespect to the combat status of revolutionaries betrays his low cunning, and the fact that he continually to asserts his unilateral disregard to the mutually-signed JASIG proves that Duterte's true interest lies not in peace but in continuing the suffering of the Filipino people. We cannot expect a butcher like Duterte and his cohorts to respect the rule of law, international or otherwise; what more can we expect of him in respecting Ka Diego's humanitarian considerations?

Ka Diego must be released immediately! This is a baseless and desperate attempt by the fascist Duterte regime to attack and demoralize the revolutionary movement. Little do they know that the revolutionary movement in Southern Tagalog, or anywhere in the 117 guerrilla fronts and 79 provinces of the Philippines will not cower against any arrest or death. Should they make a martyr out of any comrade, ten more shall rise, take up arms, and continue the struggle in their place.

FREE DIEGO PADILLA! ADVANCE THE PEOPLE'S WAR!

[Castelia]

-snip-

As someone whose extended family was terrorized by NPA rebels, all I can say is that the news of his arrest is good news. While "Ka Diego"'s lack of humane treatment is unfortunate, I do find the news of the arrest to be something worth celebrating. I can only hope the military continues its campaign with relentless ferocity, until the last of the Reds are defeated.

The faster we can stop the CPP-NPA, the better. It is only in the continued war against the Reds do I find some lasting common ground with the Duterte administration.

[Rojava Free State]

-snip-

As someone whose extended family was terrorized by NPA rebels, all I can say is that the news of his arrest is good news. While "Ka Diego"'s lack of humane treatment is unfortunate, I do find the news of the arrest to be something worth celebrating. I can only hope the military continues its campaign with relentless ferocity, until the last of the Reds are defeated.

The faster we can stop the CPP-NPA, the better. It is only in the continued war against the Reds do I find some lasting common ground with the Duterte administration.

Dutuerte is no better than a damn communist terrorist. He is responsible for thousands of deaths due to his fake drug war that terrorizes impoverished communities, and it's unfortunate that the entire population of the Philippines hasn't already decided to overthrow him like they did Marcos. Shit, I can't even think of any rich people killed in the "drug war." It's almost like there is no drug war and the government is just trying to kill poor people and lowering their numbers. I can't help but think that due to the areas the killings happen, the people it happens to and the fact many of these victims were not connected to drugs in any way.

Rodrigo Dutuerte, hero to a few, psychotic lunatic and baby killer to everyone else

[Castelia]

-snip-

I agree with this. Like I said, the only thing I support the Duterte administration for is their continued campaign against the Communists.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, as the saying goes.

I hate Duterte for everything else, especially his kowtowing towards the PRC.

[Samudera Darussalam]

The Opening Arc of the Southeast Asian Games in Bulacan and the former US Military Base turned Philippine City, Clark is a huge fiasco.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/specials ... e-festival

Stupid Corrupt Administration! Brunei dropped trying to host the games midway during preparation because they said they weren't ready, how much more us who just picked it up midway and not in proper schedule?

You also have to factor in the corruption of this administration. Stupid! Now we're the laughing stock of.the region.

Well, considering the logo the Philippines offered for SEA Games, it has been laughed at for a long time. Sorry.
Anyway, good luck on hosting the event my northern neighbours! Manalo Tayo Bilang Isa!

[Free Santa Rosa]

-snip-

As someone whose extended family was terrorized by NPA rebels, all I can say is that the news of his arrest is good news. While "Ka Diego"'s lack of humane treatment is unfortunate, I do find the news of the arrest to be something worth celebrating. I can only hope the military continues its campaign with relentless ferocity, until the last of the Reds are defeated.

The faster we can stop the CPP-NPA, the better. It is only in the continued war against the Reds do I find some lasting common ground with the Duterte administration.

If you want to end the armed struggle, you address the roots of the armed struggle. You don't answer it with military campaigns which only push more people to join the People's Army. You resume peace talks, you focus on social services, you enact land reform programs.

The military, if anything, is the top recruiter of the NPA.

[Pasong Tirad]

Let's call the president Ka Rody for being the CPP-NPA-NDF's top recruiter.

[Castelia]

If you want to end the armed struggle, you address the roots of the armed struggle. You don't answer it with military campaigns which only push more people to join the People's Army. You resume peace talks, you focus on social services, you enact land reform programs.

The military, if anything, is the top recruiter of the NPA.

I'd be sympathetic to the NPA's aims if only they didn't bring innocents into their unwanted struggle, my family included. I still wonder to this day why my great-uncle and his family had to pay the price at the hands of the New People's Army, shot to death when they were simple farmers simply trying to make ends meet. The very people your disgusting "armed struggle" was supposed to help.

And if you want change, do it the proper way. Participate in government, gather support, make laws. But then again, we don't want Communists in the government anyway.

[Kubra]

As someone whose extended family was terrorized by NPA rebels, all I can say is that the news of his arrest is good news. While "Ka Diego"'s lack of humane treatment is unfortunate, I do find the news of the arrest to be something worth celebrating. I can only hope the military continues its campaign with relentless ferocity, until the last of the Reds are defeated.

The faster we can stop the CPP-NPA, the better. It is only in the continued war against the Reds do I find some lasting common ground with the Duterte administration.

If you want to end the armed struggle, you address the roots of the armed struggle. You don't answer it with military campaigns which only push more people to join the People's Army. You resume peace talks, you focus on social services, you enact land reform programs.

The military, if anything, is the top recruiter of the NPA.

I mean just gonna say, one of the most effective policies for Quirino in handling the huk rebellion was handing out land to their rank-and-file. It's what most of the huk base wanted in the first place, effectively isolating its core.

[Pasong Tirad]

If you want to end the armed struggle, you address the roots of the armed struggle. You don't answer it with military campaigns which only push more people to join the People's Army. You resume peace talks, you focus on social services, you enact land reform programs.

The military, if anything, is the top recruiter of the NPA.

I'd be sympathetic to the NPA's aims if only they didn't bring innocents into their unwanted struggle, my family included. I still wonder to this day why my great-uncle and his family had to pay the price at the hands of the New People's Army, shot to death when they were simple farmers simply trying to make ends meet. The very people your disgusting "armed struggle" was supposed to help.

And if you want change, do it the proper way. Participate in government, gather support, make laws. But then again, we don't want Communists in the government anyway.

There is no "proper way" to enact change in the current system. The system is designed to maintain the century-old status quo of power and wealth continuously being funneled upward. The MLM-Jose Maria Sison Thought faction of the Philippine Left doesn't believe electoral politics will work because they've been told that it won't work. Not a big fan of PPS myself but they have a solid point.

(Not a fan of PPS not because I don't believe armed struggle can't work - it absolutely can - but that I don't think it can work in our current political climate)

The only reason, for example, the Huks existed as they were after the war was because Taruc and like 5 or so other Left-leaning people were jailed by Roxas on bogus charges after they were democratically elected just so they couldn't vote against giving the US parity rights.

[Pasong Tirad]

I hope I'm not coming across as not giving a damn about the death of your family member, Castelia. I am sorry that that happened. The NPA member that shot him definitely needs to face their crimes. However - I can't believe I'm being the centrist (ew) in this discussion - I honestly cannot blame nor condemn the CPP-NPA for taking up arms against the republic because it was the government itself that told them that their working within electoral politics and through nonviolent action doesn't work.

Given no other alternatives to enact radical change, where else are they going to turn to but the barrel of a gun?

[Kubra]

I'd be sympathetic to the NPA's aims if only they didn't bring innocents into their unwanted struggle, my family included. I still wonder to this day why my great-uncle and his family had to pay the price at the hands of the New People's Army, shot to death when they were simple farmers simply trying to make ends meet. The very people your disgusting "armed struggle" was supposed to help.

And if you want change, do it the proper way. Participate in government, gather support, make laws. But then again, we don't want Communists in the government anyway.

There is no "proper way" to enact change in the current system. The system is designed to maintain the century-old status quo of power and wealth continuously being funneled upward. The MLM-Jose Maria Sison Thought faction of the Philippine Left doesn't believe electoral politics will work because they've been told that it won't work. Not a big fan of PPS myself but they have a solid point.

(Not a fan of PPS not because I don't believe armed struggle can't work - it absolutely can - but that I don't think it can work in our current political climate)

The only reason, for example, the Huks existed as they were after the war was because Taruc and like 5 or so other Left-leaning people were jailed by Roxas on bogus charges after they were democratically elected just so they couldn't vote against giving the US parity rights.

Nah, if the NPA had participated in the 1986 elections they would have gone on to become major players on the political scene, and would have had a seat at the table drafting the constitution. That could have had an influence in a good many ways, especially when it comes to the current voting system for the house of representatives. At the very least, they might have wrung out a few more party-list seats. While the Roxas administration certainly didn't give a good precedent for the strategy, the NPA was on the better side of the balance of power. Worst comes to worst, it would have at the very least headed off the split in 92.

[Pasong Tirad]

There is no "proper way" to enact change in the current system. The system is designed to maintain the century-old status quo of power and wealth continuously being funneled upward. The MLM-Jose Maria Sison Thought faction of the Philippine Left doesn't believe electoral politics will work because they've been told that it won't work. Not a big fan of PPS myself but they have a solid point.

(Not a fan of PPS not because I don't believe armed struggle can't work - it absolutely can - but that I don't think it can work in our current political climate)

The only reason, for example, the Huks existed as they were after the war was because Taruc and like 5 or so other Left-leaning people were jailed by Roxas on bogus charges after they were democratically elected just so they couldn't vote against giving the US parity rights.

Nah, if the NPA had participated in the 1986 elections they would have gone on to become major players on the political scene, and would have had a seat at the table drafting the constitution. That could have had an influence in a good many ways, especially when it comes to the current voting system for the house of representatives. At the very least, they might have wrung out a few more party-list seats. While the Roxas administration certainly didn't give a good precedent for the strategy, the NPA was on the better side of the balance of power. Worst comes to worst, it would have at the very least headed off the split in 92.

We'll be disagreeing here. The only way for the CPP to have participated in 1986 is if they weren't the CPP. That means entering the world of alternate history and erasing nearly a century's worth of oppression by landlords, businessmen and politicos. That means erasing the imprisonment of the 6 massively popular politicians of the Alyansang Demokratiko and wiping clean two decades of violence at the hands of Marcos and the AFP. That also means the anti-communist militias of both Marcos and Cory's time, who even after the dictator had gone were still massacring peasants, would no longer have been considered a threat to the safety of their core base of support.

And even then I highly highly doubt they would have gotten more than a tiny handful of seats, definitely not enough to even make a dent in the ConCon. Them winning enough electoral support to hold more than a ceremonial vestige of power becomes more unlikely given the political reawakening of the urban middle class, many of whom no doubt would have been voting for the first time in '86 and would be voting for liberals and anti-Marcos conservatives and would rather drop dead than even be associated with communists.

[Kubra]

Nah, if the NPA had participated in the 1986 elections they would have gone on to become major players on the political scene, and would have had a seat at the table drafting the constitution. That could have had an influence in a good many ways, especially when it comes to the current voting system for the house of representatives. At the very least, they might have wrung out a few more party-list seats. While the Roxas administration certainly didn't give a good precedent for the strategy, the NPA was on the better side of the balance of power. Worst comes to worst, it would have at the very least headed off the split in 92.

We'll be disagreeing here. The only way for the CPP to have participated in 1986 is if they weren't the CPP. That means entering the world of alternate history and erasing nearly a century's worth of oppression by landlords, businessmen and politicos. That means erasing the imprisonment of the 6 massively popular politicians of the Alyansang Demokratiko and wiping clean two decades of violence at the hands of Marcos and the AFP. That also means the anti-communist militias of both Marcos and Cory's time, who even after the dictator had gone were still massacring peasants, would no longer have been considered a threat to the safety of their core base of support.

And even then I highly highly doubt they would have gotten more than a tiny handful of seats, definitely not enough to even make a dent in the ConCon. Them winning enough electoral support to hold more than a ceremonial vestige of power becomes more unlikely given the political reawakening of the urban middle class, many of whom no doubt would have been voting for the first time in '86 and would be voting for liberals and anti-Marcos conservatives and would rather drop dead than even be associated with communists.

Nah, the party itself later said it'd made a mistake in '86. They initially had a snug place next to Aquino, and right next to the big player is a good place to be for smaller players. It's at least better than the policy direction that followed, which was slow death, inward paranoia, and the gutting of the filipino left by its own power. It would at least lend itself to confronting the Aquino administration in a united front, since there'd be square blame there.
Let's be real: if you ain't gonna take the country, the trick is figuring out *when* exactly to call it quits. No such opportunity has presented itself the way '86 did, while no opporunity for taking the country has ever yet presented itself.

[Pasong Tirad]

We'll be disagreeing here. The only way for the CPP to have participated in 1986 is if they weren't the CPP. That means entering the world of alternate history and erasing nearly a century's worth of oppression by landlords, businessmen and politicos. That means erasing the imprisonment of the 6 massively popular politicians of the Alyansang Demokratiko and wiping clean two decades of violence at the hands of Marcos and the AFP. That also means the anti-communist militias of both Marcos and Cory's time, who even after the dictator had gone were still massacring peasants, would no longer have been considered a threat to the safety of their core base of support.

And even then I highly highly doubt they would have gotten more than a tiny handful of seats, definitely not enough to even make a dent in the ConCon. Them winning enough electoral support to hold more than a ceremonial vestige of power becomes more unlikely given the political reawakening of the urban middle class, many of whom no doubt would have been voting for the first time in '86 and would be voting for liberals and anti-Marcos conservatives and would rather drop dead than even be associated with communists.

Nah, the party itself later said it'd made a mistake in '86. They initially had a snug place next to Aquino, and right next to the big player is a good place to be for smaller players. It's at least better than the policy direction that followed, which was slow death, inward paranoia, and the gutting of the filipino left by its own power. It would at least lend itself to confronting the Aquino administration in a united front, since there'd be square blame there.
Let's be real: if you ain't gonna take the country, the trick is figuring out *when* exactly to call it quits. No such opportunity has presented itself the way '86 did, while no opporunity for taking the country has ever yet presented itself.

Gimme sources for these

[Kubra]

Nah, the party itself later said it'd made a mistake in '86. They initially had a snug place next to Aquino, and right next to the big player is a good place to be for smaller players. It's at least better than the policy direction that followed, which was slow death, inward paranoia, and the gutting of the filipino left by its own power. It would at least lend itself to confronting the Aquino administration in a united front, since there'd be square blame there.
Let's be real: if you ain't gonna take the country, the trick is figuring out *when* exactly to call it quits. No such opportunity has presented itself the way '86 did, while no opporunity for taking the country has ever yet presented itself.

Gimme sources for these

If you mean for the boycott mistake, here ya go. Page 46 onward. Might be a little dense, since it's some proper high-maoism.
I assume you don't mean a source for the bitter struggles after, because that's still a fresh enough wound.
The rest is, you know, conjecture.

edit: just wanna clarify, the bit about density wasn't meant as an insult of intelligence, high-maoism really is a whole other language.

[Isles of Metanoia]

Oooh the conversation is getting interesting.