BongBongLand (Philippine) Discussion Thread

[Stormwrath]

Enabling change with 100% effectiveness since 1789.

*1776

Technically that was a war of Independence, but whatever.

Also Happy Philippine-American Not-A-Friendship-Anymore-Bcoz-of-Yah-Boi-Duterte Day.

[Gormwood]

China is off-limits, but infants are fair game.

Philippines senator defends police over toddler’s death in drugs raid

A senator who oversaw the most violent period in the Philippines’ war on drugs has dismissed the killing of a three-year-old girl in a police drug operation as collateral damage, stating that “shit happens”.

Ronald dela Rosa, who was the police chief running President Rodrigo Duterte’s crackdown on drugs before he was elected as a senator two months ago, defended the shooting by police during a sting operation last week.

“We are living in an imperfect world,” Dela Rosa said on Thursday. “Would a police officer want to shoot a child? Never, because they have children as well. But shit happens during operations.”

He said the three-year-old, named Kateleen, had been used as a human shield by her father, a suspected drug dealer, during the police raid in a province east of the capital, Manila. Two suspected drug dealers and an undercover police officer were also killed in the operation.

A police spokesman, Bernard Banac, also defended the actions of the police and said the girl’s father had pulled a gun on officers first. “It cannot be helped if there was an accident,” Banac said. “He used his daughter as a human shield.”

The girl’s mother disputes this version of events. Twenty police officers have been suspended and an investigation is ongoing.

Kateleen is thought to be one of the youngest victims of Duterte’s violent crackdown on drug dealers in the Philippines. Since 2016 police have had unprecedented powers to track down and if necessary shoot-to-kill any suspects.

The official death toll in the drug war stands at just over 5,000, including dozens of children, though this falls well short of estimates given by human rights groups and campaigners for victims, which vary from 12,000 to 20,000. Rights groups say many of the undocumented killings were carried out by “death squads” and unofficial militias.

The international criminal court (ICC) is carrying out preliminary investigations into Duterte to determine whether his drug war may constitute crimes against humanity. On Thursday more than a dozen countries formally called on the United Nations human rights council to open an investigation into the war on drugs in the Philippines.

Duterte’s spokesman said this week that the calls for an investigation were “outrageous interference” by “foreign propagandists”.

Reuters contributed to this report

Killing an infant during a drug raid is just shit happening now.

[Rojava Free State]

China is off-limits, but infants are fair game.

Philippines senator defends police over toddler’s death in drugs raid

A senator who oversaw the most violent period in the Philippines’ war on drugs has dismissed the killing of a three-year-old girl in a police drug operation as collateral damage, stating that “shit happens”.

Ronald dela Rosa, who was the police chief running President Rodrigo Duterte’s crackdown on drugs before he was elected as a senator two months ago, defended the shooting by police during a sting operation last week.

“We are living in an imperfect world,” Dela Rosa said on Thursday. “Would a police officer want to shoot a child? Never, because they have children as well. But shit happens during operations.”

He said the three-year-old, named Kateleen, had been used as a human shield by her father, a suspected drug dealer, during the police raid in a province east of the capital, Manila. Two suspected drug dealers and an undercover police officer were also killed in the operation.

A police spokesman, Bernard Banac, also defended the actions of the police and said the girl’s father had pulled a gun on officers first. “It cannot be helped if there was an accident,” Banac said. “He used his daughter as a human shield.”

The girl’s mother disputes this version of events. Twenty police officers have been suspended and an investigation is ongoing.

Kateleen is thought to be one of the youngest victims of Duterte’s violent crackdown on drug dealers in the Philippines. Since 2016 police have had unprecedented powers to track down and if necessary shoot-to-kill any suspects.

The official death toll in the drug war stands at just over 5,000, including dozens of children, though this falls well short of estimates given by human rights groups and campaigners for victims, which vary from 12,000 to 20,000. Rights groups say many of the undocumented killings were carried out by “death squads” and unofficial militias.

The international criminal court (ICC) is carrying out preliminary investigations into Duterte to determine whether his drug war may constitute crimes against humanity. On Thursday more than a dozen countries formally called on the United Nations human rights council to open an investigation into the war on drugs in the Philippines.

Duterte’s spokesman said this week that the calls for an investigation were “outrageous interference” by “foreign propagandists”.

Reuters contributed to this report

Killing an infant during a drug raid is just shit happening now.

Looks like filipino cops are as much a gang of murderers as many American ones are

[Victoriala II]

acab, natural

[Pasong Tirad]

You're not supposed to trust cops anyway. The former top cop turning into a senator is even worse. This isn't a war on drugs, it's a war on poor people.

No, sorry, it's not even a war. A war implies the other side is able to fight back. This isn't a war, this is a culling, a slaughter, or at worst - if it suddenly becomes apparent and verified that the body count actually is a lot higher than people are claiming - a genocide.

[Stormwrath]

China is off-limits, but infants are fair game.

Philippines senator defends police over toddler’s death in drugs raid



Killing an infant during a drug raid is just shit happening now.

Looks like filipino cops are as much a gang of murderers as many American ones are

Cops are roving gangs of murderers in general, lmao.

[Rojava Free State]

Looks like filipino cops are as much a gang of murderers as many American ones are

Cops are roving gangs of murderers in general, lmao.

Give someone an inch, they'll take a mile

Give a man in uniform a gun, he'll take a life

[Stormwrath]

Cops are roving gangs of murderers in general, lmao.

Give someone an inch, they'll take a mile

Give a man in uniform a gun, he'll take a life

Give a man a gun, he'll take a life anyway, regardless of whether the shirt is blue or not.

[Vulkata II]

Duts is now saying that America should fire the first shots in the Pacific, or something along those lines.

I don't know, I thought it was relevant. Didn't read the whole story to be honest.

[Springfeal]

I went to the Philippines just a few months ago and I stayed there for a week and a half. It's a crazy place, but I mean that in a mostly good way. The culture is very different, but the people were very warm and probably the friendliest people I have met. While I could tell that the country had a huge crime problem, it was pretty easy to judge which places were safe and which weren't so I knew that as long as I didn't look for trouble, I would be okay. Luzon, the island I stayed on, was very beautiful too.

[Stormwrath]

I went to the Philippines just a few months ago and I stayed there for a week and a half. It's a crazy place, but I mean that in a mostly good way. The culture is very different, but the people were very warm and probably the friendliest people I have met. While I could tell that the country had a huge crime problem, it was pretty easy to judge which places were safe and which weren't so I knew that as long as I didn't look for trouble, I would be okay. Luzon, the island I stayed on, was very beautiful too.

You should visit Visayas on your next trip. Lots of places that'll definitely be worth going to.

[Springfeal]

I went to the Philippines just a few months ago and I stayed there for a week and a half. It's a crazy place, but I mean that in a mostly good way. The culture is very different, but the people were very warm and probably the friendliest people I have met. While I could tell that the country had a huge crime problem, it was pretty easy to judge which places were safe and which weren't so I knew that as long as I didn't look for trouble, I would be okay. Luzon, the island I stayed on, was very beautiful too.

You should visit Visayas on your next trip. Lots of places that'll definitely be worth going to.

Noted

[Gormwood]

'LET'S BOMB EVERYTHING': PHILIPPINES PRESIDENT DUTERTE URGES U.S. TO DECLARE WAR ON CHINA

After bending over for China like goatse so long, Duterte's "solution" to territory grab is to whine for the United States to invade China. That loud cracking sound was John Bolton facepalming.

[Duhon]

'LET'S BOMB EVERYTHING': PHILIPPINES PRESIDENT DUTERTE URGES U.S. TO DECLARE WAR ON CHINA

After bending over for China like goatse so long, Duterte's "solution" to territory grab is to whine for the United States to invade China. That loud cracking sound was John Bolton facepalming.

It's Duts being Xi's patsy once more.

[Gormwood]

'LET'S BOMB EVERYTHING': PHILIPPINES PRESIDENT DUTERTE URGES U.S. TO DECLARE WAR ON CHINA

After bending over for China like goatse so long, Duterte's "solution" to territory grab is to whine for the United States to invade China. That loud cracking sound was John Bolton facepalming.

It's Duts being Xi's patsy once more.

If Xi is Pooh, guess that makes him Piglet.

[Vulkata II]

'LET'S BOMB EVERYTHING': PHILIPPINES PRESIDENT DUTERTE URGES U.S. TO DECLARE WAR ON CHINA

After bending over for China like goatse so long, Duterte's "solution" to territory grab is to whine for the United States to invade China. That loud cracking sound was John Bolton facepalming.

As much as I am a freeabo and still see America as a major friend, a relationship that's better than Russian and even more so than China(if they could even be considered as a friend), I don't really see how this would be a good idea.

Surely we all know what would happen if a major power comes to blows to a major power, but then again, it seems like our dear old president doesn't know. But I don't know, as far as I know, I'm always wrong.

[Novus America]

'LET'S BOMB EVERYTHING': PHILIPPINES PRESIDENT DUTERTE URGES U.S. TO DECLARE WAR ON CHINA

After bending over for China like goatse so long, Duterte's "solution" to territory grab is to whine for the United States to invade China. That loud cracking sound was John Bolton facepalming.

Well consistency (except in a consistent obsession with violence) rationality, logic and sanity was never Duterte’s thing.

[Duhon]

Of course the US wouldn't take the bait. They and Duts both know that. Duts just showing off his Xinophile bonafides to Xi, yet again, as if scaring the fishermen and agreeing to a joint exploitation of Philippine territory ain't enough patsy.

[Gormwood]

Of course the US wouldn't take the bait. They and Duts both know that. Duts just showing off his Xinophile bonafides to Xi, yet again, as if scaring the fishermen and agreeing to a joint exploitation of Philippine territory ain't enough patsy.

It'll be a miracle if Luzon isn't rechristened The Province of Lu'Xhong by the time he's out of office.

[Stormwrath]

'LET'S BOMB EVERYTHING': PHILIPPINES PRESIDENT DUTERTE URGES U.S. TO DECLARE WAR ON CHINA

After bending over for China like goatse so long, Duterte's "solution" to territory grab is to whine for the United States to invade China. That loud cracking sound was John Bolton facepalming.

And here I thought the Philippines was done being friends with the United States.

[Rojava Free State]

'LET'S BOMB EVERYTHING': PHILIPPINES PRESIDENT DUTERTE URGES U.S. TO DECLARE WAR ON CHINA

After bending over for China like goatse so long, Duterte's "solution" to territory grab is to whine for the United States to invade China. That loud cracking sound was John Bolton facepalming.

And here I thought the Philippines was done being friends with the United States.

You thought a man who kills kids had the balls to fight a real war? Lol, it's time to vote dutuerte out and end anarchy in the Philippines

[Connori Pilgrims]

And here I thought the Philippines was done being friends with the United States.

You thought a man who kills kids had the balls to fight a real war? Lol, it's time to vote dutuerte out and end anarchy in the Philippines

Wait to 2022. Statistically, in the latter half of any given administration the president or his/her people tend to fuck up royally. Mendiola Massacre for Cory, the corruption of the Bases Conversion and Development Act by FVR, the blocking of the envelope during Erap's impeachment trial, Maguindanao Massacre for GMA, Mamasapano Incident for P-Noy.

I'll bet it'll be him bending over backwards when the PRC invades Pag-Asa/Thitu Island in the Spratlys and he either excuses China or downplays the AFP's sacrifices and losses.

Sorry, but I think by this point no one important in the country gives two fucks about the Drug War; tomorrow you could have ten little girls die as "collateral damage" and after a week of crying its back to business as usual. Corruption is so prevalent that nothing less than a trillion-peso deal (preferably involving the PRC) will shock the public, and even then maybe it might fade away quickly.

Although if we're that desensitized, a part of me fears that even a full-scale invasion by the PLA will just reveal how rotten and corrupt this country and its people has become.

[Stormwrath]

You thought a man who kills kids had the balls to fight a real war? Lol, it's time to vote dutuerte out and end anarchy in the Philippines

Wait to 2022. Statistically, in the latter half of any given administration the president or his/her people tend to fuck up royally. Mendiola Massacre for Cory, the corruption of the Bases Conversion and Development Act by FVR, the blocking of the envelope during Erap's impeachment trial, Maguindanao Massacre for GMA, Mamasapano Incident for P-Noy.

I'll bet it'll be him bending over backwards when the PRC invades Pag-Asa/Thitu Island in the Spratlys and he either excuses China or downplays the AFP's sacrifices and losses.

Sorry, but I think by this point no one important in the country gives two fucks about the Drug War; tomorrow you could have ten little girls die as "collateral damage" and after a week of crying its back to business as usual. Corruption is so prevalent that nothing less than a trillion-peso deal (preferably involving the PRC) will shock the public, and even then maybe it might fade away quickly.

Although if we're that desensitized, a part of me fears that even a full-scale invasion by the PLA will just reveal how rotten and corrupt this country and its people has become.

Yeah, that's what can be called the "Mid-Presidential Crisis", iirc, where after that event has happened the incumbent's numbers begin to plummet dramatically. It doesn't have to be just one event: FVR was also fucked over by the Asian Financial Crisis, GMA had a cavalcade of crises - the most striking that defined her Mid-Presidential Crisis imo would be Hello Garci - with the Fertilizer Scam and NBN-ZTE Deal not too far behind, and finally PNoy's big crisis were a series of unfortunate events by which his administration proved incompetent dealing with, which were the Zamboanga Siege, the Bohol Earthquake, and Typhoon Yolanda, in that order. Cory's was the oddity in this pattern, as the Mendiola Massacre happened very early in her presidency.

As for what Duterte's Mid-Presidential Crisis will be, I have no idea. Maybe it could be when China finally begins seizing the Spartlys by force and he just stands there doing nothing (most likely but hardly a career-ending move). Maybe it's an incident during the drug crackdown where say, a child gets caught in the crossfire and the media unsurprisingly blows it out of proportion (unlikely as Connori seems to imply). Maybe it could be some kind of massive conspiracy linking Duterte to other known figures and linking all of them in a corruption network for the embezzlement of billions of taxpayer pesos for their benefit (also unlikely due to the lack of solid evidence atm).

My prediction will be that Duterte will probably have a big crisis down the line but the hit to his ratings won't be as severe as his predecessors. I'm not saying that his ratings won't decrease, since poll numbers going down is expected in a presidential term. However, it won't be a dramatic drop - the reason being that Filipinos care more about whether Duterte's administration brings food on their tables and a roof over their heads, not so much the loss of some islands or more deaths from the Drug War. Whether that's a good or bad thing depends on who you ask, really.

[Neko-koku]

I have a question for you guys.

https://www.boholchronicle.com.ph/2018/ ... t-in-2020/

Is building the Cebu-Bohol bridge a good idea?

[Gormwood]

Wait to 2022. Statistically, in the latter half of any given administration the president or his/her people tend to fuck up royally. Mendiola Massacre for Cory, the corruption of the Bases Conversion and Development Act by FVR, the blocking of the envelope during Erap's impeachment trial, Maguindanao Massacre for GMA, Mamasapano Incident for P-Noy.

I'll bet it'll be him bending over backwards when the PRC invades Pag-Asa/Thitu Island in the Spratlys and he either excuses China or downplays the AFP's sacrifices and losses.

Sorry, but I think by this point no one important in the country gives two fucks about the Drug War; tomorrow you could have ten little girls die as "collateral damage" and after a week of crying its back to business as usual. Corruption is so prevalent that nothing less than a trillion-peso deal (preferably involving the PRC) will shock the public, and even then maybe it might fade away quickly.

Although if we're that desensitized, a part of me fears that even a full-scale invasion by the PLA will just reveal how rotten and corrupt this country and its people has become.

Yeah, that's what can be called the "Mid-Presidential Crisis", iirc, where after that event has happened the incumbent's numbers begin to plummet dramatically. It doesn't have to be just one event: FVR was also fucked over by the Asian Financial Crisis, GMA had a cavalcade of crises - the most striking that defined her Mid-Presidential Crisis imo would be Hello Garci - with the Fertilizer Scam and NBN-ZTE Deal not too far behind, and finally PNoy's big crisis were a series of unfortunate events by which his administration proved incompetent dealing with, which were the Zamboanga Siege, the Bohol Earthquake, and Typhoon Yolanda, in that order. Cory's was the oddity in this pattern, as the Mendiola Massacre happened very early in her presidency.

As for what Duterte's Mid-Presidential Crisis will be, I have no idea. Maybe it could be when China finally begins seizing the Spartlys by force and he just stands there doing nothing (most likely but hardly a career-ending move). Maybe it's an incident during the drug crackdown where say, a child gets caught in the crossfire and the media unsurprisingly blows it out of proportion (unlikely as Connori seems to imply). Maybe it could be some kind of massive conspiracy linking Duterte to other known figures and linking all of them in a corruption network for the embezzlement of billions of taxpayer pesos for their benefit (also unlikely due to the lack of solid evidence atm).

My prediction will be that Duterte will probably have a big crisis down the line but the hit to his ratings won't be as severe as his predecessors. I'm not saying that his ratings won't decrease, since poll numbers going down is expected in a presidential term. However, it won't be a dramatic drop - the reason being that Filipinos care more about whether Duterte's administration brings food on their tables and a roof over their heads, not so much the loss of some islands or more deaths from the Drug War. Whether that's a good or bad thing depends on who you ask, really.

Not even if Luzon becomes Lu'xhong.