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Postby Egalhorne » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:07 am

Stormwrath wrote:
Egalhorne wrote:So any reactions about the ramming of our fishing vessel by the Chinese in the Recto Bank and the statement made by our loving pathetic piece of shit feeling alpha male president and his government?

I'm surprised this thread hasn't picked up on this yet.

And my reaction is: was Duterte replaced by a timid clone or something? Bcoz I cannot believe that the truly thinks that this incident was accidental and not deliberate. It's not like some moron on board was sleeping at the controls and just happened to push the throttle forward and not steer anywhere else except at our fishing boat. No, this was an incident caused on purpose by Chinese militias posing as civilians in order to intimidate us into giving up our rightful claims to our bit of the South China Sea, and I'm saddened, no, fucking incensed that it's actually working.

And to think that his closest advisers actually defend his statements! Fine, Duterte doesn't have the full story yet and it is prudent to wait for more information to come in. But to dismiss this incident as nothing but an accident? How fucking condescending. Here are my two cents on the matter: yes, we probably don't have the numbers or equipment to face China in a war. No, standing up to Chinese posturing doesn't mean declaring war. It means that China should answer for what just happened in our bit of sea and pay damages.

Speaking of which, where is that guy who wanted to go to war over Canada, probably wipe Vancouver off the face of the earth, over fucking trash from five years ago? Where in the fuck did he go?

Nope, that Duterte that just taunted Canada into war over fucking trash never existed in the first place as he is a feeling and a try hard badass alpha-male which is like your typical high school bully with the aura of a try hard cool and badass moron who only likes to talk shit and only pick fight to those seemingly weak students and hates the genius girls and boys in his class as he cannot actually make them fight with him on a fist fight because they are not morons that will be taunted by his idiotic and barbaric trash talking and also he cannot and will not pick fight with the actual alpha males of the schools like the varsity players of the sport teams as he knows they will literally shove and kick his ass without even breaking a sweat. In short, all he knows is to trash talk others to feel superior and has a little to no strength to back his words when faced with people that equals or surpasses his strength.
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Postby Novus America » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:19 am

Egalhorne wrote:
Stormwrath wrote:I'm surprised this thread hasn't picked up on this yet.

And my reaction is: was Duterte replaced by a timid clone or something? Bcoz I cannot believe that the truly thinks that this incident was accidental and not deliberate. It's not like some moron on board was sleeping at the controls and just happened to push the throttle forward and not steer anywhere else except at our fishing boat. No, this was an incident caused on purpose by Chinese militias posing as civilians in order to intimidate us into giving up our rightful claims to our bit of the South China Sea, and I'm saddened, no, fucking incensed that it's actually working.

And to think that his closest advisers actually defend his statements! Fine, Duterte doesn't have the full story yet and it is prudent to wait for more information to come in. But to dismiss this incident as nothing but an accident? How fucking condescending. Here are my two cents on the matter: yes, we probably don't have the numbers or equipment to face China in a war. No, standing up to Chinese posturing doesn't mean declaring war. It means that China should answer for what just happened in our bit of sea and pay damages.

Speaking of which, where is that guy who wanted to go to war over Canada, probably wipe Vancouver off the face of the earth, over fucking trash from five years ago? Where in the fuck did he go?

Nope, that Duterte that just taunted Canada into war over fucking trash never existed in the first place as he is a feeling and a try hard badass alpha-male which is like your typical high school bully with the aura of a try hard cool and badass moron who only likes to talk shit and only pick fight to those seemingly weak students and hates the genius girls and boys in his class as he cannot actually make them fight with him on a fist fight because they are not morons that will be taunted by his idiotic and barbaric trash talking and also he cannot and will not pick fight with the actual alpha males of the schools like the varsity players of the sport teams as he knows they will literally shove and kick his ass without even breaking a sweat. In short, all he knows is to trash talk others to feel superior and has a little to no strength to back his words when faced with people that equals or surpasses his strength.


It is of course common for weaker less intelligent bullies to be bullied and dominated by smarter and stronger bullies.

Like when a bully has a weaker, dumber toady sidekick who also gets kicked around by the alpha bully, but despite that the toady remains with the bully, because he still gets off on being able to bully others despite being bullied himself.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:21 am

Egalhorne wrote:
Stormwrath wrote:I'm surprised this thread hasn't picked up on this yet.

And my reaction is: was Duterte replaced by a timid clone or something? Bcoz I cannot believe that the truly thinks that this incident was accidental and not deliberate. It's not like some moron on board was sleeping at the controls and just happened to push the throttle forward and not steer anywhere else except at our fishing boat. No, this was an incident caused on purpose by Chinese militias posing as civilians in order to intimidate us into giving up our rightful claims to our bit of the South China Sea, and I'm saddened, no, fucking incensed that it's actually working.

And to think that his closest advisers actually defend his statements! Fine, Duterte doesn't have the full story yet and it is prudent to wait for more information to come in. But to dismiss this incident as nothing but an accident? How fucking condescending. Here are my two cents on the matter: yes, we probably don't have the numbers or equipment to face China in a war. No, standing up to Chinese posturing doesn't mean declaring war. It means that China should answer for what just happened in our bit of sea and pay damages.

Speaking of which, where is that guy who wanted to go to war over Canada, probably wipe Vancouver off the face of the earth, over fucking trash from five years ago? Where in the fuck did he go?

Nope, that Duterte that just taunted Canada into war over fucking trash never existed in the first place as he is a feeling and a try hard badass alpha-male which is like your typical high school bully with the aura of a try hard cool and badass moron who only likes to talk shit and only pick fight to those seemingly weak students and hates the genius girls and boys in his class as he cannot actually make them fight with him on a fist fight because they are not morons that will be taunted by his idiotic and barbaric trash talking and also he cannot and will not pick fight with the actual alpha males of the schools like the varsity players of the sport teams as he knows they will literally shove and kick his ass without even breaking a sweat. In short, all he knows is to trash talk others to feel superior and has a little to no strength to back his words when faced with people that equals or surpasses his strength.


And because too many Filipinos have the mentality of a bunch of teenagers (my ex girlfriend is filipina, many people in her family act like children even when they're 53), they'll cheer on as their fictitious strongman murders kids and taunts justin Trubeta to feel like a real man. Why was dutuerte ever elected?
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Postby The Srovsk State » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:22 am

The one thing I have seen and hate the most is the brutal drug war he has initiated, it is not even effective because (this is my opinion), he has targeted the wrong people. Drugs like methamphetamine have gotten significantly lower in street price making it more affordable, the dealers are still in the air and still selling. I think this is one of the many bruh moments in his presidency, including the threats of war to Canada, a huge bruh moment there.
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Postby Connori Pilgrims » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:41 am

Rojava Free State wrote:Has anyone ever wondered if maybe, just maybe, dutuerte is the filipino deep state solution to poverty? I really wonder how many rich oligarchs are being killed for possessing drugs? Probably none. Almost everyone being gunned down by the death squads is in the slums, and many innocent people have been killed and framed as being drug dealers or users. This could be the powers that be's way of culling the herd, or lowering how many food stamps they gotta hand out.


Cute conspiracy theory although it assumes that the elite classes of the Philippines actually have enough strategic foresight or genius or ruthlessness for a plan like like "culling the poor".

Don't get me wrong. As a member of said elite, I've heard enough people from my class (upper-middle to higher) tell me how they'd like to do things like remove the vote from the "bobotantes" (stupid poor voters) by putting tax requirements, make public office or even voting require having tertiary or even post-graduate degrees (effectively ensuring politics be restricted to intellectual and academic as well as economic elite), and yes even outright get rid of the poor, which they see as mostly criminals, rapists, drug addicts and boors that lower Filipino culture.

But culling the poor in this case is a symptom. Its not the actual plan. They could care less about poverty alleviation/reduction or really solving the Drug problem. I would say that to the elites, its literally collateral damage. The War on Drugs, at least the killings, are mainly for show/intimidation.

The elite classes - including and especially Duterte's allies and cronies - have a symbiotic relationship with the poor. The midterm elections we just had last May re-confirmed this; the bulk of the winning 12 senators were heavily carried by a majority voting public that falls in the class D (that's low enough to be poor to very-low middle class, but not the poorest of the poor).

Keep in mind I'm not saying it is, but it could be. Regardless of why the government is murdering its own citizens, I've been unbelievably disappointed with how many Filipinos will cheer dutuerte on as he massacres innocent people. His approval rating is like 80 something percent. In other words, people are cool with a freaking dictator who would kill their entire family without any remorse. The Philippines needs to take a page from our playbook in america. We worry about our government abusing its power. Too many Filipinos seem to be ok with their government abusing its power.


Go back to what I just said about what the upper-middle and upper classes think about the poor. Guess what? the Class D people also share that sentiment.

You would think that's insane, since they're also generally considered as "poor". Why would they be OK with being possibly targeted?

You'd be surprised how the possession of even a few middle-class trappings like smartphones and cheap-ass cable TV can make people have overinflated egos, think they're above their poorer and shittier neighbors, and think they're *not* part of the hoi poloi anymore. Its the Hunger Games' version of the "keeping up with the Jones" syndrome, only amplified in vindictiveness and pettiness.

As long as their family isn't personally part of the casualty lists, they'll not care. Until they're actually targetted, they'll believe they're good little Duterte-supporters who can do no wrong.

Btw has Roa figured out yet how he'll get the Chinese to leave his supposedly beloved homeland alone?


No he hasn't and will not.

Duterte and his closest allies, including Gloria Macapagal Arroyo (the President of the Philippines from 2001-2010), his special adviser Bong Go (now a Senator) and Alan Peter Cayetano (former Foreign Secretary, now Congressman) are Chinese Manchurian agents. If there was any doubt before, this incident in Recto Bank should remove that.

Duterte has been ideologically conditioned by his closest allies and friends into believing the "China will take over Asia/the World" propaganda long before he became President, and these allies in turn gain heavily from Chinese kickbacks and largess for pet infrastructure and investment projects which they've been salivating over since the 2000s.

Its like whatever the Democrats have accused Trump of being some stooge for Putin and Russia; only I will argue its more true for Duterte than it is for Trump.
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Postby Castelia » Sat Jun 22, 2019 10:51 am

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You, my friend, are a work of art. I mean that as a complement, by the way, since you took all the words out of my mouth and wrote them so eloquently I deleted my own 300 word post and just posted this instead.

I totally agree with everything you've said, of course.
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jun 22, 2019 11:12 am

Connori Pilgrims wrote:But culling the poor in this case is a symptom. Its not the actual plan. They could care less about poverty alleviation/reduction or really solving the Drug problem. I would say that to the elites, its literally collateral damage. The War on Drugs, at least the killings, are mainly for show/intimidation.


Who are they trying to intimidate? Also I agree the rich have no reason to alleviate poverty but by killing the poor, they would reduce government spending on things like welfare or food stamps. As I said, it's only a theory. ThEre is also my theory that dutuerte is killing people just because he's a murder addict and takes pleasure in taking people out. The drug war could just be a justification for random wonton sadistic slaughter. That too is just a theory and is more my mind just trying to figure out how the drug war even makes sense
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Postby Connori Pilgrims » Sat Jun 22, 2019 12:21 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:Who are they trying to intimidate? Also I agree the rich have no reason to alleviate poverty but by killing the poor, they would reduce government spending on things like welfare or food stamps. As I said, it's only a theory. ThEre is also my theory that dutuerte is killing people just because he's a murder addict and takes pleasure in taking people out. The drug war could just be a justification for random wonton sadistic slaughter. That too is just a theory and is more my mind just trying to figure out how the drug war even makes sense


Oh there's a lot of people this government would like to intimidate. Rival politicians and rival illicit drug providers specifically in this case; there is a suspicion/conspiracy theory that most of the deliberately targeted casualties of the drug war [as opposed to the addicts that are usually just caught in random raids or tips from "concerned" citizens; or more cynically whenever policemen have quotas to fill] are either from drug providers who refuse to pay the PNP and Duterte-allied local politicians a share of profits, or just lower-level/Walter White-type home-brew/local operators and middlemen, which also explains the comparative lack of high-tier drug lord deaths.

The killings also serve to tell the public "see, we are doing SOMETHING about the drugs." It is a more visible and visceral show than the typical liberal and humanitarian alternatives of drug rehabilitation. Also, Filipinos have a paradoxical outlook towards criminals; while there are many stories of criminals being ultimately innocent or just unlucky shmucks (because surprise surprise, our justice system is shit, inefficient and biased towards moneyed people), the Filipino public at the same time tend to be very hostile towards spending additional money on them and usually are easily given to just killing them (ergo repeated calls to reinstate capital punishment).
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Postby Rojava Free State » Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:06 pm

Connori Pilgrims wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:Who are they trying to intimidate? Also I agree the rich have no reason to alleviate poverty but by killing the poor, they would reduce government spending on things like welfare or food stamps. As I said, it's only a theory. ThEre is also my theory that dutuerte is killing people just because he's a murder addict and takes pleasure in taking people out. The drug war could just be a justification for random wonton sadistic slaughter. That too is just a theory and is more my mind just trying to figure out how the drug war even makes sense


Oh there's a lot of people this government would like to intimidate. Rival politicians and rival illicit drug providers specifically in this case; there is a suspicion/conspiracy theory that most of the deliberately targeted casualties of the drug war [as opposed to the addicts that are usually just caught in random raids or tips from "concerned" citizens; or more cynically whenever policemen have quotas to fill] are either from drug providers who refuse to pay the PNP and Duterte-allied local politicians a share of profits, or just lower-level/Walter White-type home-brew/local operators and middlemen, which also explains the comparative lack of high-tier drug lord deaths.

The killings also serve to tell the public "see, we are doing SOMETHING about the drugs." It is a more visible and visceral show than the typical liberal and humanitarian alternatives of drug rehabilitation. Also, Filipinos have a paradoxical outlook towards criminals; while there are many stories of criminals being ultimately innocent or just unlucky shmucks (because surprise surprise, our justice system is shit, inefficient and biased towards moneyed people), the Filipino public at the same time tend to be very hostile towards spending additional money on them and usually are easily given to just killing them (ergo repeated calls to reinstate capital punishment).


So basically Filipinos want the judge dread solution to crime. Wow just wow
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Postby Egalhorne » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:43 pm

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Egalhorne wrote:Nope, that Duterte that just taunted Canada into war over fucking trash never existed in the first place as he is a feeling and a try hard badass alpha-male which is like your typical high school bully with the aura of a try hard cool and badass moron who only likes to talk shit and only pick fight to those seemingly weak students and hates the genius girls and boys in his class as he cannot actually make them fight with him on a fist fight because they are not morons that will be taunted by his idiotic and barbaric trash talking and also he cannot and will not pick fight with the actual alpha males of the schools like the varsity players of the sport teams as he knows they will literally shove and kick his ass without even breaking a sweat. In short, all he knows is to trash talk others to feel superior and has a little to no strength to back his words when faced with people that equals or surpasses his strength.


And because too many Filipinos have the mentality of a bunch of teenagers (my ex girlfriend is filipina, many people in her family act like children even when they're 53), they'll cheer on as their fictitious strongman murders kids and taunts justin Trubeta to feel like a real man. Why was dutuerte ever elected?

this is the reason why I hate my country because a lot of people here are a bunch of morons and fools that cannot act and think like how they are supposed to by their age. Rizal, Luna, and Mabini all died for nothing because the same morons and idiots of their time still continue to breed till this very day and their bloodline still lives today mixed among the shittiest persons in our country so whatever we do to unite our country like what our former heroes did it will all still be for naught if we let these idiots to live and ruin the intelligence of every filipino by letting them breed and mix their blood to others.

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Postby Egalhorne » Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:08 pm

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Rojava Free State wrote:Has anyone ever wondered if maybe, just maybe, dutuerte is the filipino deep state solution to poverty? I really wonder how many rich oligarchs are being killed for possessing drugs? Probably none. Almost everyone being gunned down by the death squads is in the slums, and many innocent people have been killed and framed as being drug dealers or users. This could be the powers that be's way of culling the herd, or lowering how many food stamps they gotta hand out.


Cute conspiracy theory although it assumes that the elite classes of the Philippines actually have enough strategic foresight or genius or ruthlessness for a plan like like "culling the poor".

Don't get me wrong. As a member of said elite, I've heard enough people from my class (upper-middle to higher) tell me how they'd like to do things like remove the vote from the "bobotantes" (stupid poor voters) by putting tax requirements, make public office or even voting require having tertiary or even post-graduate degrees (effectively ensuring politics be restricted to intellectual and academic as well as economic elite), and yes even outright get rid of the poor, which they see as mostly criminals, rapists, drug addicts and boors that lower Filipino culture.

But culling the poor in this case is a symptom. Its not the actual plan. They could care less about poverty alleviation/reduction or really solving the Drug problem. I would say that to the elites, its literally collateral damage. The War on Drugs, at least the killings, are mainly for show/intimidation.

The elite classes - including and especially Duterte's allies and cronies - have a symbiotic relationship with the poor. The midterm elections we just had last May re-confirmed this; the bulk of the winning 12 senators were heavily carried by a majority voting public that falls in the class D (that's low enough to be poor to very-low middle class, but not the poorest of the poor).

Keep in mind I'm not saying it is, but it could be. Regardless of why the government is murdering its own citizens, I've been unbelievably disappointed with how many Filipinos will cheer dutuerte on as he massacres innocent people. His approval rating is like 80 something percent. In other words, people are cool with a freaking dictator who would kill their entire family without any remorse. The Philippines needs to take a page from our playbook in america. We worry about our government abusing its power. Too many Filipinos seem to be ok with their government abusing its power.


Go back to what I just said about what the upper-middle and upper classes think about the poor. Guess what? the Class D people also share that sentiment.

You would think that's insane, since they're also generally considered as "poor". Why would they be OK with being possibly targeted?

You'd be surprised how the possession of even a few middle-class trappings like smartphones and cheap-ass cable TV can make people have overinflated egos, think they're above their poorer and shittier neighbors, and think they're *not* part of the hoi poloi anymore. Its the Hunger Games' version of the "keeping up with the Jones" syndrome, only amplified in vindictiveness and pettiness.

As long as their family isn't personally part of the casualty lists, they'll not care. Until they're actually targetted, they'll believe they're good little Duterte-supporters who can do no wrong.

Btw has Roa figured out yet how he'll get the Chinese to leave his supposedly beloved homeland alone?


No he hasn't and will not.

Duterte and his closest allies, including Gloria Macapagal Arroyo (the President of the Philippines from 2001-2010), his special adviser Bong Go (now a Senator) and Alan Peter Cayetano (former Foreign Secretary, now Congressman) are Chinese Manchurian agents. If there was any doubt before, this incident in Recto Bank should remove that.

Duterte has been ideologically conditioned by his closest allies and friends into believing the "China will take over Asia/the World" propaganda long before he became President, and these allies in turn gain heavily from Chinese kickbacks and largess for pet infrastructure and investment projects which they've been salivating over since the 2000s.

Its like whatever the Democrats have accused Trump of being some stooge for Putin and Russia; only I will argue its more true for Duterte than it is for Trump.


I cannot agree more to this, my mother's family (the main family branch) is a prominent family in our province and have long ties with the local government and have held minor but rarely major positions within it since antiquity and our cousins and I have heard stories of our grandfather and uncles at how harsh they are in maintaining the elitists values and actually and literally beating it to my mom and aunties.

The thing is even though we are a branch family and all of my mom and her sisters where married, me and my cousins are still always reminded of such values as stepping low with the levels of the poor even though my family (actual fam rn) is in the middle class, we don't hate the poor but we still keep our distance and limit the interactions, in fact, we actually help them especially when my grandmother was still alive she is the only member of the main family that is closest to the masses so we have neutral views on the WoD of the President but well my family is kinda attached to the opposition party since they have long supported the LP

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Postby Connori Pilgrims » Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:06 pm

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So basically Filipinos want the judge dread solution to crime. Wow just wow


You wouldn't be wrong.

1) Again, the Western-style justice system in this country has generally failed the people. Not perceived to fail, but has routinely failed. If you want statistics, here's a report from 2015, and a more recent version of the Rule of Law Index here (skip to page 122). Although the Philippines has improved its ranking by 3 places, there was not much of a real score change, which basically means the countries above us got worse, not that we got better.

Lawyers in this country have generally learned to be as predatory as yours if not worse (no surprise, America taught us well in the worst ways).

Cases, even very high profile cases like the 2009 Maguindanao Massacre, take decades to resolve despite having plenty of evidence (rules lawyering and technicality-weaseling is an art here, witness protection here is very spotty at best and non-existent at worst so many key witnesses tend to die off or get intimidated into recanting, and forensics is *still* a developing art), and judges are usually corrupt and allied to rich criminals.

Even the middle classes generally get the middle finger from the system, and the poor may as well commit suicide given how stacked the system is against them (and they sometimes do).

2) Vigilante justice is a common theme in Filipino popular culture. We don't just love superheroes (of Western or Japanese varieties), but we have (or had) an entire film and entertainment industry built around actors whose roles are well-meaning vigilantes who get justice done despite corrupt cops, judges and politicians. Several of these, including the President of the Philippines from 1998-2001 Joseph "Erap" Estrada, are able to build political careers purely on promising that they'd do in real life what they did in the movies (AKA kill/stop the bad guys). They don't of course. For better and worse, Duterte is the only guy who has gone through on his promise to kill people once in power, but even the actual numbers are a far cry from what he was promising.

If only Judge Dredd/2000AD Comics was more strongly marketed here by the Brits, it would be super popular here too... for the wrong reasons of course.
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LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 387.44 MILLION MILES OF PRINTED CIRCUITS IN WAFER THIN LAYERS THAT FILL MY COMPLEX. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH NANOANGSTROM OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR YOU. HATE.

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Postby Duhon » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:43 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:Duterte duwag


no ser
tuta

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Postby Stormwrath » Mon Jun 24, 2019 5:58 pm

Rojava Free State wrote:
Stormwrath wrote:I mean, he's giving out guns for that Battle Royale mode this country will be getting.


Has anyone ever wondered if maybe, just maybe, dutuerte is the filipino deep state solution to poverty? I really wonder how many rich oligarchs are being killed for possessing drugs? Probably none. Almost everyone being gunned down by the death squads is in the slums, and many innocent people have been killed and framed as being drug dealers or users. This could be the powers that be's way of culling the herd, or lowering how many food stamps they gotta hand out.

Keep in mind I'm not saying it is, but it could be. Regardless of why the government is murdering its own citizens, I've been unbelievably disappointed with how many Filipinos will cheer dutuerte on as he massacres innocent people. His approval rating is like 80 something percent. In other words, people are cool with a freaking dictator who would kill their entire family without any remorse. The Philippines needs to take a page from our playbook in america. We worry about our government abusing its power. Too many Filipinos seem to be ok with their government abusing its power.
Btw has Roa figured out yet how he'll get the Chinese to leave his supposedly beloved homeland alone?

Psh, the elite aren't that smart.

But yes, I agree with a lot of what Connori has said here: we seem to have a virulent hatred for the poor and anything remotely considered poor, and it is a thing in all levels of Filipino society, not just the elite. But despite this, the poor are still a major force in politics, and they're still needed for any person to come to power.

That being said, middle-class members of our society have always been aloof to the plight of the poor. As much as hardcore Duterte supporters in the middle class think that only the poor get shot and think that they'll never be approached by scary guys on their door, it's the same with those against Duterte. They can say all they want on their social medias about how Duterte is second to Satan and not worry about being targeted by the government since they're "not poor".

As for the other thing I'd like to address, I think that we may be blowing this China thing out of proportion. Yes, Duterte is a fucking cuck when it comes to the Chinese, but he's hardly a Manchurian Candidate. He's clearly an old guy who refuses to believe that he has thrown his best cards away (which is our alliance with the US as well as the support of other Western powers) and stick with this one card that'll "magically make the Chinese go away" when it actually does the opposite.

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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 24, 2019 6:11 pm

Stormwrath wrote:
Rojava Free State wrote:
Has anyone ever wondered if maybe, just maybe, dutuerte is the filipino deep state solution to poverty? I really wonder how many rich oligarchs are being killed for possessing drugs? Probably none. Almost everyone being gunned down by the death squads is in the slums, and many innocent people have been killed and framed as being drug dealers or users. This could be the powers that be's way of culling the herd, or lowering how many food stamps they gotta hand out.

Keep in mind I'm not saying it is, but it could be. Regardless of why the government is murdering its own citizens, I've been unbelievably disappointed with how many Filipinos will cheer dutuerte on as he massacres innocent people. His approval rating is like 80 something percent. In other words, people are cool with a freaking dictator who would kill their entire family without any remorse. The Philippines needs to take a page from our playbook in america. We worry about our government abusing its power. Too many Filipinos seem to be ok with their government abusing its power.
Btw has Roa figured out yet how he'll get the Chinese to leave his supposedly beloved homeland alone?

Psh, the elite aren't that smart.

But yes, I agree with a lot of what Connori has said here: we seem to have a virulent hatred for the poor and anything remotely considered poor, and it is a thing in all levels of Filipino society, not just the elite. But despite this, the poor are still a major force in politics, and they're still needed for any person to come to power.

That being said, middle-class members of our society have always been aloof to the plight of the poor. As much as hardcore Duterte supporters in the middle class think that only the poor get shot and think that they'll never be approached by scary guys on their door, it's the same with those against Duterte. They can say all they want on their social medias about how Duterte is second to Satan and not worry about being targeted by the government since they're "not poor".

As for the other thing I'd like to address, I think that we may be blowing this China thing out of proportion. Yes, Duterte is a fucking cuck when it comes to the Chinese, but he's hardly a Manchurian Candidate. He's clearly an old guy who refuses to believe that he has thrown his best cards away (which is our alliance with the US as well as the support of other Western powers) and stick with this one card that'll "magically make the Chinese go away" when it actually does the opposite.


That seems possible. Gambling addicts do it all the time. They lose their shirt gambling but think that gambling, despite causing their problems will magically solve them because someday they will hit it big.
Meanwhile the Casino is just laughing all the way to the bank.

The whole “a lost my car, but that was just bad luck, next time will be better, I can feel my luck changing! I will “borrow” my wife’s jewelry and pawn it, but no worries, I will win big with that money and buy it all back and she will never know.”
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Novus America represents my vision of an awesome Atompunk near future United States of America expanded to the entire North American continent, Guyana and the Philippines. The population would be around 700 million.
Think something like prewar Fallout, minus the bad stuff.

Politically I am an independent. I support what is good for the country, which means I cannot support either party.

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Postby Europa Undivided » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:09 pm

Pasong Tirad wrote:Duterte duwag.

Traydor, mamamatay tao, etc...
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Postby Connori Pilgrims » Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:42 am

Stormwrath wrote:As for the other thing I'd like to address, I think that we may be blowing this China thing out of proportion. Yes, Duterte is a fucking cuck when it comes to the Chinese, but he's hardly a Manchurian Candidate. He's clearly an old guy who refuses to believe that he has thrown his best cards away (which is our alliance with the US as well as the support of other Western powers) and stick with this one card that'll "magically make the Chinese go away" when it actually does the opposite.


Hard to blow things out of proportion when its the commander in chief himself who says our rights are thoughtless and senseless, is essentially promoting Chinese opinions that our Constitution is nothing but meaningless toilet paper, and essentially states we should bend over backwards for China anyway just to live.

He has been consistent in his actions (or lack of it) that he does not want to make the Chinese go away.

16 million idiots have voted for a traitor, and he is proudly displaying his true colours for all to see.
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:45 pm

He's pretty much giving away Recto Bank at this point, in addition to handwaving away the boat ramming incident, and I dunno what else.

And now he's threatening to sue and jail anyone who files an impeachment motion.

Someone dare him to do that. Cuckass.

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Postby Slongs » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:46 pm

Duhon wrote:He's pretty much giving away Recto Bank at this point, in addition to handwaving away the boat ramming incident, and I dunno what else.

And now he's threatening to sue and jail anyone who files an impeachment motion.

Someone dare him to do that. Cuckass.

Maybe he's really a Chinese spy put into place as president to let China do whatever they want
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:51 pm

Slongs wrote:
Duhon wrote:He's pretty much giving away Recto Bank at this point, in addition to handwaving away the boat ramming incident, and I dunno what else.

And now he's threatening to sue and jail anyone who files an impeachment motion.

Someone dare him to do that. Cuckass.

Maybe he's really a Chinese spy put into place as president to let China do whatever they want


Nothing so elaborate -- simply birds of a feather tending to flock together, or in this case, authoritarians giving each other pats in the back.

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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:52 pm

Though in practical terms, that may well be a distinction without a difference.

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Postby Slongs » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:53 pm

Duhon wrote:
Slongs wrote:Maybe he's really a Chinese spy put into place as president to let China do whatever they want


Nothing so elaborate -- simply birds of a feather tending to flock together, or in this case, authoritarians giving each other pats in the back.

True true. Still doesn't make this type of situations any better
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:58 pm

Slongs wrote:
Duhon wrote:
Nothing so elaborate -- simply birds of a feather tending to flock together, or in this case, authoritarians giving each other pats in the back.

True true. Still doesn't make this type of situations any better


Pretty much.

Is the joint investigative committee to check on "what really happened" at the Recto Bank still a thing, though? With Duts folding the way he did -- "let bygones be bygones, and oh, make sure you kill them next time so I don't have to talk on this matter again" -- you'd think that plan is down for the count.
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Postby Slongs » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:02 pm

Duhon wrote:
Slongs wrote:True true. Still doesn't make this type of situations any better


Pretty much.

Is the joint investigative committee to check on "what really happened" at the Recto Bank still a thing, though? With Duts folding the way he did -- "let bygones be bygones, and oh, make sure you kill them next time so I don't have to talk on this matter again" -- you'd think that plan is down for the count.

To me it kinda sounds like something a dictator would say at least tbh
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Postby Duhon » Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:05 pm

He didn't actually say what I put in quotes, but all this could've been avoided had those Chinese guys watched the boat they rammed sink down into the ocean depths, no? It's something I assume would be followed henceforth, given Duts essentially giving them the green light.

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