BongBongLand (Philippine) Discussion Thread

[Victoriala II]

The only way to solve our country's problems, in my opinion, will be through revolution.

And I'm not talking about "just step down and all will be forgiven" revolution.

I mean, the good ol' fashioned "put them all into jail and elect all new politicians" revolution.

Meh, I'd say you're not going in on this revolution thing hard enough.

Execute all corrupt officials, arrest and torture all supporters of the old system, and bring in a new and technocratic council whose principles are in line with the ideals of a fair and just society by and for the Filipino people.

Basically what I'm saying is bring in a Reign of Terror that'll make Robespierre look like a playground bully.

stop yapping start acting

out

[Stormwrath]

In the Complete Bullshit & Denial department...

PHILIPPINES PRESIDENT DUTERTE SAYS HE WAS ONCE GAY 'BUT I CURED MYSELF'

Rod is either bi or he's in denial. Gay conversion never works regardless of method.

Remember when there were legit things to shit on Duterte about? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

[Gormwood]

In the Complete Bullshit & Denial department...

PHILIPPINES PRESIDENT DUTERTE SAYS HE WAS ONCE GAY 'BUT I CURED MYSELF'

Rod is either bi or he's in denial. Gay conversion never works regardless of method.

Remember when there were legit things to shit on Duterte about? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

The "legit things" that made him so popular in the Phillippines to where he got more power through congressional elections?

[Slongs]

Remember when there were legit things to shit on Duterte about? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

The "legit things" that made him so popular in the Phillippines to where he got more power through congressional elections?

What kind of "legit things" are we even talking about here?

[Gormwood]

The "legit things" that made him so popular in the Phillippines to where he got more power through congressional elections?

What kind of "legit things" are we even talking about here?

The indiscriminate drug war that's likely being used by some people as an alibi for grudge murders is the foremost example.

[Slongs]

What kind of "legit things" are we even talking about here?

The indiscriminate drug war that's likely being used by some people as an alibi for grudge murders is the foremost example.

[Gormwood]

The indiscriminate drug war that's likely being used by some people as an alibi for grudge murders is the foremost example.

So is government gunning down scores of people in the name of stopping drugs.

[Slongs]

So is government gunning down scores of people in the name of stopping drugs.

I'm not saying that's the right way to deal with the issue (which it obviously isn't). I'm just saying that drugs are an issue that needs to be taken care of

[Novus America]

So is government gunning down scores of people in the name of stopping drugs.

I'm not saying that's the right way to deal with the issue (which it obviously isn't). I'm just saying that drugs are an issue that needs to be taken care of

Yes, but extra judicial killing of teenagers is not going to do it.
I am not a bleeding heart liberal, if you want to execute high level drug dealers AFTER they get a fair trial, do it.

But notice how the high level drug dealers often have connections to Duterte’s PRC masters, so he lets them go.
He will kill Filipino teenagers without mercy but not touch a high level Chinese drug dealer.

[Slongs]

I'm not saying that's the right way to deal with the issue (which it obviously isn't). I'm just saying that drugs are an issue that needs to be taken care of

Yes, but extra judicial killing of teenagers is not going to do it.
I am not a bleeding heart liberal, if you want to execute high level drug dealers AFTER they get a fair trial, do it.

But notice how the high level drug dealers often have connections to Duterte’s PRC masters, so he lets them go.
He will kill Filipino teenagers without mercy but not touch a high level Chinese drug dealer.

That's because it's more about the money than the people

[Novus America]

Yes, but extra judicial killing of teenagers is not going to do it.
I am not a bleeding heart liberal, if you want to execute high level drug dealers AFTER they get a fair trial, do it.

But notice how the high level drug dealers often have connections to Duterte’s PRC masters, so he lets them go.
He will kill Filipino teenagers without mercy but not touch a high level Chinese drug dealer.

That's because it's more about the money than the people

Well sure, of course Duterte has sold out the the Philippines.

[Falangist Yunnan]

Yes, but extra judicial killing of teenagers is not going to do it.
I am not a bleeding heart liberal, if you want to execute high level drug dealers AFTER they get a fair trial, do it.

But notice how the high level drug dealers often have connections to Duterte’s PRC masters, so he lets them go.
He will kill Filipino teenagers without mercy but not touch a high level Chinese drug dealer.

I'd like to rebut that comment of yours. Where is your proof of his 'connections' with these Chinese drug dealers? All these statistics you hear about Duterte's 'cruel' drug war are from where? Before judging something for yourself, it is imperative to observe and cross reference a range of information, carefully examining both sides of the argument. It is important to consider that the Philippines, prior to Duterte, was a hotbed of US military activity - when Duterte came to power, he called for a removal of all US military personnel. His reasoning? The Philippines belongs to the Philippines. With this context in mind, as with other reasons pertaining to deeply rooted corruption, it comes to no surprise that many western, and liberal leaning, media outlets depicts Duterte as a mass murderer.
In Duterte's uprooting of corruption, he subsequently uprooted the establishment, which was a heavily pro-American government.

TL;DR Please assess both sides of the argument before judging a person as unsavoury.

[Novus America]

I'd like to rebut that comment of yours. Where is your proof of his 'connections' with these Chinese drug dealers? All these statistics you hear about Duterte's 'cruel' drug war are from where? Before judging something for yourself, it is imperative to observe and cross reference a range of information, carefully examining both sides of the argument. It is important to consider that the Philippines, prior to Duterte, was a hotbed of US military activity - when Duterte came to power, he called for a removal of all US military personnel. His reasoning? The Philippines belongs to the Philippines. With this context in mind, as with other reasons pertaining to deeply rooted corruption, it comes to no surprise that many western, and liberal leaning, media outlets depicts Duterte as a mass murderer.
In Duterte's uprooting of corruption, he subsequently uprooted the establishment, which was a heavily pro-American government.

TL;DR Please assess both sides of the argument before judging a person as unsavoury.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.c ... hilippines

The GMA and Marcos administrations were indeed corrupt but Duterte has gladly worked with both and pardoned GMA.

And the Philippines belongs to the Philippines? I guess that does not apply to the islands seized by the PRC.

At least the US could defend the Philippines, with the US gone the Philippines is defenseless.

[Pasong Tirad]

I'd like to rebut that comment of yours. Where is your proof of his 'connections' with these Chinese drug dealers? All these statistics you hear about Duterte's 'cruel' drug war are from where? Before judging something for yourself, it is imperative to observe and cross reference a range of information, carefully examining both sides of the argument. It is important to consider that the Philippines, prior to Duterte, was a hotbed of US military activity - when Duterte came to power, he called for a removal of all US military personnel. His reasoning? The Philippines belongs to the Philippines. With this context in mind, as with other reasons pertaining to deeply rooted corruption, it comes to no surprise that many western, and liberal leaning, media outlets depicts Duterte as a mass murderer.
In Duterte's uprooting of corruption, he subsequently uprooted the establishment, which was a heavily pro-American government.

TL;DR Please assess both sides of the argument before judging a person as unsavoury.

"All the people reporting about how Duterte's drug war has killed upwards of 10,000 with some reporting as much as over 20,000 are all liars because all of the media outlets portraying Duterte as the mass murdering bastard that he is are all Western - because Duterte's stifling local opposition to his rule through rules lawyering and death threats - and liberal leaning - because, surprise surprise, there are actually a lot of people on the right who support Duterte because of his fascistic policies - and therefore I am right and Duterte is actually making his country great somehow."

Gross.

[Castelia]

-snipped your argument-

"The Philippines belongs to the Philippines." Tell that to China. Tell them to stop taking our islands in the West Philippine Sea. Tell them to take measures to stop the illegal drugs entering our country. Tell them to make sure that all their workers are documented and possess legal papers before being sent to work here. Or does your reasoning only apply to Western imperialists and not Eastern ones?

"Uprooting of corruption"? He has proven himself no less corrupt, perhaps even more so, than his predecessors. He just happens to favor a different side of the government, like known corrupt government officials like Arroyo, Marcos, Revilla, and the rest of their ilk. I'll believe he was rooting out corruption the day he sends these bastards to jail and made them the first ones to experience the (most likely to be) reintroduced death penalty.

[Connori Pilgrims]

I'd like to rebut that comment of yours. Where is your proof of his 'connections' with these Chinese drug dealers? All these statistics you hear about Duterte's 'cruel' drug war are from where? (rest redacted for length)

The President himself has called China the lair of the largest illegal drug lords. While everything he says is up for scrutiny, this particular statement is backed up by a bevy of information since the 2000s gathered by the Philippine agencies themselves, as Triad and other Chinese gang activity has long been a major driver of crime in our country.

The Philippine Drug Enforcement Agency itself confirms China as one of the largest sources of meth as of 2018.

So yes, Chinese drug dealers remain one of the largest threats to the Philippines as far as the War on Drugs is concerned, as admitted by the President himself at least once, and as confirmed very recently by one of the primary prosecutor agencies of the Philippine government on the War on Drugs itself.

[Stormwrath]

I'd like to rebut that comment of yours. Where is your proof of his 'connections' with these Chinese drug dealers? All these statistics you hear about Duterte's 'cruel' drug war are from where? Before judging something for yourself, it is imperative to observe and cross reference a range of information, carefully examining both sides of the argument. It is important to consider that the Philippines, prior to Duterte, was a hotbed of US military activity - when Duterte came to power, he called for a removal of all US military personnel. His reasoning? The Philippines belongs to the Philippines. With this context in mind, as with other reasons pertaining to deeply rooted corruption, it comes to no surprise that many western, and liberal leaning, media outlets depicts Duterte as a mass murderer.
In Duterte's uprooting of corruption, he subsequently uprooted the establishment, which was a heavily pro-American government.

TL;DR Please assess both sides of the argument before judging a person as unsavoury.

I'm pretty sure Duterte said multiple times that most of the drugs that come into this country come from China. Multiple times.

Also your idea about Duterte saying that the Philippines belongs to the Philippines is a load of hokey. If that were the case, then he'd be defending our sovereignty over the Spratly Islands and be stern in his dealings with China. But he isn't. Sure, the Philippines is nowhere as capable of waging war against China, but that doens't mean we have to take their shit. Tbh, the removal of American personnel from our territory, which has begun since 1991 btw with the vacating of the Subic and Clark US bases, was a grave mistake.

And what is this framing of the West having vested interests in the country have to do with branding him a mass murderer? I'm pretty sure they're branding him a mass murderer because unlike the governments of the West, his government is not above getting down and dirty to solve the deep-rooted issues of the country; not because they're not going to get any favors from him anymore. The establishment that you speak of in the Philippines isn't defined by their allegiances to which foreign power, but by the political clans that have ruled the country for decades.

Now that I'm done with you, I'm going to turn around and say this:

I'm of the opinion that the Drug War, albeit a bloody one (no one's questioning that fact), is for the most part successful. Crime has gone down, and so has drug use across the country. Not saying that solving the drug problem by blood is the right course of action (neither was writing down names in a notebook to kill people, tbh), but just like how Light single-handedly dropped the world's crime rate through his arguably less-than-civilized way of doing things, Duterte is doing the same with the Philippines' own crime rate. Not right, but certainly effective.

As for the midterm elections, Duterte said it himself that it was essentially a referendum on his Administration, one that the Filipinos pretty much supported through the ballot box. Why on Earth would he need to clamp down harder on power when power seems to be clamping harder on him? He's said multiple times already that he never wanted to be President in the first place, but then had to because of how fucked up this country is. Look, Otso Diretso would've made a decent opposition to Duterte, and they certainly would've been a thorn in the Admin's side, but their flaw was not having an actual platform to run by other than "Duterte's a big meanie!" as well as not garnering support from both voters and politicians in a way that benefits both groups should they switch to the opposition.

Power is a game, and clearly they're not very good at playing it. If they really want to "stop Duterte" and usher in a system where human rights are respected and corruption is nonexistent, then they should play the game to their advantage instead of flipping the goddamn table because the rules aren't fair. Ninoy and Cory played the game and won the support of the people and the politicians who promptly got rid of Marcos and they were both able to bring about a return to democracy. The opposition should've wised up and done the same.

[Novus America]

I'd like to rebut that comment of yours. Where is your proof of his 'connections' with these Chinese drug dealers? All these statistics you hear about Duterte's 'cruel' drug war are from where? Before judging something for yourself, it is imperative to observe and cross reference a range of information, carefully examining both sides of the argument. It is important to consider that the Philippines, prior to Duterte, was a hotbed of US military activity - when Duterte came to power, he called for a removal of all US military personnel. His reasoning? The Philippines belongs to the Philippines. With this context in mind, as with other reasons pertaining to deeply rooted corruption, it comes to no surprise that many western, and liberal leaning, media outlets depicts Duterte as a mass murderer.
In Duterte's uprooting of corruption, he subsequently uprooted the establishment, which was a heavily pro-American government.

TL;DR Please assess both sides of the argument before judging a person as unsavoury.

I'm pretty sure Duterte said multiple times that most of the drugs that come into this country come from China. Multiple times.

Also your idea about Duterte saying that the Philippines belongs to the Philippines is a load of hokey. If that were the case, then he'd be defending our sovereignty over the Spratly Islands and be stern in his dealings with China. But he isn't. Sure, the Philippines is nowhere as capable of waging war against China, but that doens't mean we have to take their shit. Tbh, the removal of American personnel from our territory, which has begun since 1991 btw with the vacating of the Subic and Clark US bases, was a grave mistake.

And what is this framing of the West having vested interests in the country have to do with branding him a mass murderer? I'm pretty sure they're branding him a mass murderer because unlike the governments of the West, his government is not above getting down and dirty to solve the deep-rooted issues of the country; not because they're not going to get any favors from him anymore. The establishment that you speak of in the Philippines isn't defined by their allegiances to which foreign power, but by the political clans that have ruled the country for decades.

Now that I'm done with you, I'm going to turn around and say this:

I'm of the opinion that the Drug War, albeit a bloody one (no one's questioning that fact), is for the most part successful. Crime has gone down, and so has drug use across the country. Not saying that solving the drug problem by blood is the right course of action (neither was writing down names in a notebook to kill people, tbh), but just like how Light single-handedly dropped the world's crime rate through his arguably less-than-civilized way of doing things, Duterte is doing the same with the Philippines' own crime rate. Not right, but certainly effective.

As for the midterm elections, Duterte said it himself that it was essentially a referendum on his Administration, one that the Filipinos pretty much supported through the ballot box. Why on Earth would he need to clamp down harder on power when power seems to be clamping harder on him? He's said multiple times already that he never wanted to be President in the first place, but then had to because of how fucked up this country is. Look, Otso Diretso would've made a decent opposition to Duterte, and they certainly would've been a thorn in the Admin's side, but their flaw was not having an actual platform to run by other than "Duterte's a big meanie!" as well as not garnering support from both voters and politicians in a way that benefits both groups should they switch to the opposition.

Power is a game, and clearly they're not very good at playing it. If they really want to "stop Duterte" and usher in a system where human rights are respected and corruption is nonexistent, then they should play the game to their advantage instead of flipping the goddamn table because the rules aren't fair. Ninoy and Cory played the game and won the support of the people and the politicians who promptly got rid of Marcos and they were both able to bring about a return to democracy. The opposition should've wised up and done the same.

This is a good point. As obviously flawed as Duterte is he realized people were fed up with crime and did something different regarding it.
I can not approve his methods (I am very much a hard on crime type, but I would want executions after only trials, strict punishment but fair trial).

But he did SOMETHING.

The opposition criticizes him, but fails to offer a compelling alternative vision.
And that is their downfall.
It is not enough to criticize, you have to offer an alternative path that people prefer.

[Egalhorne]

So any reactions about the ramming of our fishing vessel by the Chinese in the Recto Bank and the statement made by our loving pathetic piece of shit feeling alpha male president and his government?

[Stormwrath]

So any reactions about the ramming of our fishing vessel by the Chinese in the Recto Bank and the statement made by our loving pathetic piece of shit feeling alpha male president and his government?

I'm surprised this thread hasn't picked up on this yet.

And my reaction is: was Duterte replaced by a timid clone or something? Bcoz I cannot believe that the truly thinks that this incident was accidental and not deliberate. It's not like some moron on board was sleeping at the controls and just happened to push the throttle forward and not steer anywhere else except at our fishing boat. No, this was an incident caused on purpose by Chinese militias posing as civilians in order to intimidate us into giving up our rightful claims to our bit of the South China Sea, and I'm saddened, no, fucking incensed that it's actually working.

And to think that his closest advisers actually defend his statements! Fine, Duterte doesn't have the full story yet and it is prudent to wait for more information to come in. But to dismiss this incident as nothing but an accident? How fucking condescending. Here are my two cents on the matter: yes, we probably don't have the numbers or equipment to face China in a war. No, standing up to Chinese posturing doesn't mean declaring war. It means that China should answer for what just happened in our bit of sea and pay damages.

Speaking of which, where is that guy who wanted to go to war over Canada, probably wipe Vancouver off the face of the earth, over fucking trash from five years ago? Where in the fuck did he go?

[Victoriala II]

imagine being still deluded that duterte's some cool badass that loves the country or some shit

[Pasong Tirad]

Duterte duwag.

[Stormwrath]

imagine being still deluded that duterte's some cool badass that loves the country or some shit

I mean, he's giving out guns for that Battle Royale mode this country will be getting.

[Rojava Free State]

imagine being still deluded that duterte's some cool badass that loves the country or some shit

I mean, he's giving out guns for that Battle Royale mode this country will be getting.

Has anyone ever wondered if maybe, just maybe, dutuerte is the filipino deep state solution to poverty? I really wonder how many rich oligarchs are being killed for possessing drugs? Probably none. Almost everyone being gunned down by the death squads is in the slums, and many innocent people have been killed and framed as being drug dealers or users. This could be the powers that be's way of culling the herd, or lowering how many food stamps they gotta hand out.

Keep in mind I'm not saying it is, but it could be. Regardless of why the government is murdering its own citizens, I've been unbelievably disappointed with how many Filipinos will cheer dutuerte on as he massacres innocent people. His approval rating is like 80 something percent. In other words, people are cool with a freaking dictator who would kill their entire family without any remorse. The Philippines needs to take a page from our playbook in america. We worry about our government abusing its power. Too many Filipinos seem to be ok with their government abusing its power.
Btw has Roa figured out yet how he'll get the Chinese to leave his supposedly beloved homeland alone?

[Victoriala II]

imagine being still deluded that duterte's some cool badass that loves the country or some shit

I mean, he's giving out guns for that Battle Royale mode this country will be getting.