BongBongLand (Philippine) Discussion Thread

[Pasong Tirad]

I have been reading some of the few last posts and it seems some here are saying that the Filipino Pres. kowtowed to China when it comes to those Shoals which are close to the Philippines. In reality, the sea borders should have been agreed to a long time ago. The more this is dragged on, the more China wins since it gives them the needed time to build up there naval forces. Found out today was the last day for Taiwan's military exercises on one of the islands it controls in the South China Seas. They say the US had some military exercises in the Pacific yesterday.

This on Taiwan - https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3581292



Map of who claims what - https://gdb.voanews.com/C0046038-3F98-4 ... n_r0_s.jpg

They have been decided upon. Since 2016, actually, since the South China Sea arbitration of the PCA. China's claims to the South China Sea are dogshit, and their build-up in the region could have been stopped if it weren't for some very pro-Chinese actors within the Philippine government.

[Stormwrath]

In another note, I am quite triggered at Twitter right due to smart shamers. Lel.

Ironically, "smart shaming" and "being unconditionally positive about the government" spring from the same defective mentality.

People who blindly keep saying "we should give President _____'s policies a chance/there's good or wisdom in _____'s ramblings/you're just being negative and pessimistic" are often the same kind of fuckers who don't think, and hate people who think because those smart people shatter their delusions and inconveniences them and forces them to admit that they don't think, so they shame the smart ones to keep them quiet, and to validate their support for their idols.

But anyway, enough about that. The Philippines' true ruler comes to visit the country today. Go show your support for the benevolent Emperor Xi. Long live the People's Republic of China and its province the Philippines. HEEE HEEE HEEE

Oh look, another "positive people are naive and stupid" post.

I'm sure by your sheer cynicism and negativity that everyone else will see the light and demand our leaders to step down in place of new leaders that you prefer based on your rational, superior intellect that you'll eventually complain about because they don't set policies that you expected them to set.

It's called governance, sweetheart. What may be good for the country, good for all of us, and good for you aren't always going to be the same exact thing. If you're going to complain about how being unconditionally positive about our government makes people fucking dumbasses, I'd say that being unconditionally negative is just as equally stupid.

On the recent spat of China-Philippines relations, everybody calm down. As much as I loathe Duterte's "independent" foreign policy that I think comprises him spreading his ass cheeks for Xi, China's not gonna annex the Philippines and make it as the 23rd province. Or 24th if you think Taiwan is a fictional country made by the United States in the 1990s to create some semblance of internal ideological division within China.

[Victoriala II]

Taena ansaya magpautang sa sobrang utang na loob ng nanguutang sayo pwede mong kadyutin ng kahit ano

[Rojava Free State]

Hey, since this is a thread about everything filipino, I have a question.

Does anyone here live in Metro Manila? If so, can you tell me about your perception of the safety of the cities of Pasig, Pateros and Taguig? My girlfriend is from Pateros and she said it has a major gang and murder issue. Does anyone know how many people are actually murdered In those three cities a year?

Any scary stories of your own from there? Those are always entertaining as well.

Thanks

[Stormwrath]

Hey, since this is a thread about everything filipino, I have a question.

Does anyone here live in Metro Manila? If so, can you tell me about your perception of the safety of the cities of Pasig, Pateros and Taguig? My girlfriend is from Pateros and she said it has a major gang and murder issue. Does anyone know how many people are actually murdered In those three cities a year?

Any scary stories of your own from there? Those are always entertaining as well.

Thanks

I don't, but I have visited Metro Manila last year. Having been to Taguig I can say that it's a relatively safe part of the metropolis, and clean as well. I cannot say about Pasig and Pateros, however.

If you wanna get started, here's the stats posted by the PNP from January to May 2018.

[Pasong Tirad]

Ironically, "smart shaming" and "being unconditionally positive about the government" spring from the same defective mentality.

People who blindly keep saying "we should give President _____'s policies a chance/there's good or wisdom in _____'s ramblings/you're just being negative and pessimistic" are often the same kind of fuckers who don't think, and hate people who think because those smart people shatter their delusions and inconveniences them and forces them to admit that they don't think, so they shame the smart ones to keep them quiet, and to validate their support for their idols.

But anyway, enough about that. The Philippines' true ruler comes to visit the country today. Go show your support for the benevolent Emperor Xi. Long live the People's Republic of China and its province the Philippines. HEEE HEEE HEEE

Oh look, another "positive people are naive and stupid" post.

I'm sure by your sheer cynicism and negativity that everyone else will see the light and demand our leaders to step down in place of new leaders that you prefer based on your rational, superior intellect that you'll eventually complain about because they don't set policies that you expected them to set.

It's called governance, sweetheart. What may be good for the country, good for all of us, and good for you aren't always going to be the same exact thing. If you're going to complain about how being unconditionally positive about our government makes people fucking dumbasses, I'd say that being unconditionally negative is just as equally stupid.

On the recent spat of China-Philippines relations, everybody calm down. As much as I loathe Duterte's "independent" foreign policy that I think comprises him spreading his ass cheeks for Xi, China's not gonna annex the Philippines and make it as the 23rd province. Or 24th if you think Taiwan is a fictional country made by the United States in the 1990s to create some semblance of internal ideological division within China.

This line of reasoning is so dumb. It's straight out of the Mocha Uson playbook.

The dichotomy you're trying to present between the "positive" people and the "negative/cynical" people doesn't work because it doesn't exist. You're literally saying "Hey you know Duterte's killed like twenty thousand people but I'm sure things will turn around!" and "Hey you know in the span of a year Duterte's tanked the economy, he's basically given up our claims to our parts of the SCS, and he's accepted so many Chinese loans that it'll make Macoy quiver, but I'm sure things'll turn around!"

It's not trying to find something good out of bad situations. It's actively claiming that the bad situations aren't actually bad. We're not being cynical, "sweetheart" (such a fucking dick move to call people sweetheart to try and make them feel little too). It's literally just saying what your Overlord has actually been doing and trying to make sense of just how nonsensical everything that's been happening actually is. It's not governance, "sweetheart," it's a fascistic takeover of all levels of government and society, nobody actually believes we're going to be Southern China, but a lot of people actually do believe that turning what used to be an economy that was pretty resilient to international downturns (like how we went through the 2008 recession virtually unscathed) and replacing it with an economy entirely dependent on Chinese loans and ""investments"" is a pretty stupid move that will make the Philippines basically subservient to Chinese pressure because of how dependent our economy is going to be on the scraps the Mainland gives us.

Once again your attempts to try and protect your Mayor are coming up against brick walls. I suggest actually putting him off of that pedestal and stop trying to defend him with your "Hey he's not getting rid of his Chinese-aligned foreign policy, he's not stopping the killings, he's still tanking the economy and he's still giving more power to the already powerful landlords and elites but I'm still hoping things turn around for this administration! Go Duterte! *fist*"

[Rojava Free State]

Hey, since this is a thread about everything filipino, I have a question.

Does anyone here live in Metro Manila? If so, can you tell me about your perception of the safety of the cities of Pasig, Pateros and Taguig? My girlfriend is from Pateros and she said it has a major gang and murder issue. Does anyone know how many people are actually murdered In those three cities a year?

Any scary stories of your own from there? Those are always entertaining as well.

Thanks

I don't, but I have visited Metro Manila last year. Having been to Taguig I can say that it's a relatively safe part of the metropolis, and clean as well. I cannot say about Pasig and Pateros, however.

If you wanna get started, here's the stats posted by the PNP from January to May 2018.

One issue I've found with crime reports in the philippines is that they have a murder and homicide category, with murder representing pre planned killings while all else justified or not is a "homicide." In America, all unjustified killings are considered murders, and as a result the murder rate and homicide rate for a city are one in the same. Another issue is that many statistics list the whole nation's crime rate, regional crime rates or simply the amount of crimes in general that occur in cities without differentiating the different types of crime. It took me forever to find statistics for Pasig, and I still haven't found any for Pateros. As far as i can tell with Pasig, the murder and homicide rate (when you add both together) is like 5 or 6 per 100,000 depending on the year. So slightly more dangerous than the average US city, but about as bad as Los Angeles. It isn't like Baltimore or St. Louis.


Now from a news report I saw online, the city of pateros last year suffered around 60 killings from a group called "the bonnette gang" which is rumored to be anything from anti-drug vigilantes to random killings between drug dealers and gangs. While this doesn't give an accurate representation of allthe killings in Pateros, those murders alone in a town of only 63,000 would put the murder rate (based on American standards) at 95 per 100,000. That's higher than any major city in the United States.

I'm asking this because me and my girlfriend are going to visit her relatives in Pateros soon, and the photos I've seen of the place made me a little unnerved or concerned. Cecilia has said that it's safe during the day in Metro Manila but at night, there's a large amount of danger on the streets.

Thanks to anyone who took time out of their busy day to look these stats up

[Stormwrath]

Oh look, another "positive people are naive and stupid" post.

I'm sure by your sheer cynicism and negativity that everyone else will see the light and demand our leaders to step down in place of new leaders that you prefer based on your rational, superior intellect that you'll eventually complain about because they don't set policies that you expected them to set.

It's called governance, sweetheart. What may be good for the country, good for all of us, and good for you aren't always going to be the same exact thing. If you're going to complain about how being unconditionally positive about our government makes people fucking dumbasses, I'd say that being unconditionally negative is just as equally stupid.

On the recent spat of China-Philippines relations, everybody calm down. As much as I loathe Duterte's "independent" foreign policy that I think comprises him spreading his ass cheeks for Xi, China's not gonna annex the Philippines and make it as the 23rd province. Or 24th if you think Taiwan is a fictional country made by the United States in the 1990s to create some semblance of internal ideological division within China.

This line of reasoning is so dumb. It's straight out of the Mocha Uson playbook.

The dichotomy you're trying to present between the "positive" people and the "negative/cynical" people doesn't work because it doesn't exist. You're literally saying "Hey you know Duterte's killed like twenty thousand people but I'm sure things will turn around!" and "Hey you know in the span of a year Duterte's tanked the economy, he's basically given up our claims to our parts of the SCS, and he's accepted so many Chinese loans that it'll make Macoy quiver, but I'm sure things'll turn around!"

It's not trying to find something good out of bad situations. It's actively claiming that the bad situations aren't actually bad. We're not being cynical, "sweetheart" (such a fucking dick move to call people sweetheart to try and make them feel little too). It's literally just saying what your Overlord has actually been doing and trying to make sense of just how nonsensical everything that's been happening actually is. It's not governance, "sweetheart," it's a fascistic takeover of all levels of government and society, nobody actually believes we're going to be Southern China, but a lot of people actually do believe that turning what used to be an economy that was pretty resilient to international downturns (like how we went through the 2008 recession virtually unscathed) and replacing it with an economy entirely dependent on Chinese loans and ""investments"" is a pretty stupid move that will make the Philippines basically subservient to Chinese pressure because of how dependent our economy is going to be on the scraps the Mainland gives us.

Once again your attempts to try and protect your Mayor are coming up against brick walls. I suggest actually putting him off of that pedestal and stop trying to defend him with your "Hey he's not getting rid of his Chinese-aligned foreign policy, he's not stopping the killings, he's still tanking the economy and he's still giving more power to the already powerful landlords and elites but I'm still hoping things turn around for this administration! Go Duterte! *fist*"

You're misinterpreting what I said.

Where did I say that the bad situations we are in aren't actually bad? You've already known by now I am opposed to Duterte's fucking ludicrous foreign policy with China, and to add to that I fear the debt trap that comes with it. You're just trying to paint me here as a blind lapdog of Duterte just because I support even one of his policies despite the fact I've made my opposition clear to some of them.

Let me rephrase this for you, something-other-than-sweetheart. We as Filipinos should stop focusing on the negative all the time. It doesn't mean we don't acknowledge they exist, but we should continue to hope that this administration will at least not fail to govern this shithole country right. Support them wholeheartedly when they do good for our country and our people, and call them out when they do otherwise.

Yes, I am one of those people who'll say "We're in some dire straits but I'm sure things will turn around" and I'm proud of it. Fite me.

[Pasong Tirad]

This line of reasoning is so dumb. It's straight out of the Mocha Uson playbook.

The dichotomy you're trying to present between the "positive" people and the "negative/cynical" people doesn't work because it doesn't exist. You're literally saying "Hey you know Duterte's killed like twenty thousand people but I'm sure things will turn around!" and "Hey you know in the span of a year Duterte's tanked the economy, he's basically given up our claims to our parts of the SCS, and he's accepted so many Chinese loans that it'll make Macoy quiver, but I'm sure things'll turn around!"

It's not trying to find something good out of bad situations. It's actively claiming that the bad situations aren't actually bad. We're not being cynical, "sweetheart" (such a fucking dick move to call people sweetheart to try and make them feel little too). It's literally just saying what your Overlord has actually been doing and trying to make sense of just how nonsensical everything that's been happening actually is. It's not governance, "sweetheart," it's a fascistic takeover of all levels of government and society, nobody actually believes we're going to be Southern China, but a lot of people actually do believe that turning what used to be an economy that was pretty resilient to international downturns (like how we went through the 2008 recession virtually unscathed) and replacing it with an economy entirely dependent on Chinese loans and ""investments"" is a pretty stupid move that will make the Philippines basically subservient to Chinese pressure because of how dependent our economy is going to be on the scraps the Mainland gives us.

Once again your attempts to try and protect your Mayor are coming up against brick walls. I suggest actually putting him off of that pedestal and stop trying to defend him with your "Hey he's not getting rid of his Chinese-aligned foreign policy, he's not stopping the killings, he's still tanking the economy and he's still giving more power to the already powerful landlords and elites but I'm still hoping things turn around for this administration! Go Duterte! *fist*"

You're misinterpreting what I said.

Where did I say that the bad situations we are in aren't actually bad? You've already known by now I am opposed to Duterte's fucking ludicrous foreign policy with China, and to add to that I fear the debt trap that comes with it. You're just trying to paint me here as a blind lapdog of Duterte just because I support even one of his policies despite the fact I've made my opposition clear to some of them.

Let me rephrase this for you, something-other-than-sweetheart. We as Filipinos should stop focusing on the negative all the time. It doesn't mean we don't acknowledge they exist, but we should continue to hope that this administration will at least not fail to govern this shithole country right. Support them wholeheartedly when they do good for our country and our people, and call them out when they do otherwise.

Yes, I am one of those people who'll say "We're in some dire straits but I'm sure things will turn around" and I'm proud of it. Fite me.

That would be great if not for the fact that your hope for things to turn around rests on some still unfounded trust in the current administration, which is not founded in any kind of evidence anywhere in his track record. This administration has shown itself time and again to be bereft of any actual genuine will to do good for the public in any way. You're trying to paint yourself as "yeah I like Duterte but I'm not like those guys" when even the very fact of supporting Duterte now is still a bad thing because what you don't seem to understand is that nothing good is ever going to come out of this administration. Whatever good they believe they do isn't actually good because it's forever going to be undermined by the corruption and the rampant killings - much like Macoy and the "good" that he did. So, whatever actual "opposition" you may have to Duterte's crazier antics isn't going to cut it because you still support his administration. It's not actually opposition, it's trying to excuse him by saying "yeah well at least he's not Stalin amirite?"

So, you're not a blind Duterte lapdog. Congratulations, but this attempt to paint yourself similar to the "Never Trump" conservatives of America is that you - like they - are still in the fascist's camp. And that's the problem here. What you fail to face is that the only realistic way for things to actually turn around is for him to not be president anymore. And for some reason you can't accept that, and you actually saying "Yeah I still have hope" is just ludicrous at this point because what you're actually saying is "maybe Duterte's going to change" when he clearly isn't, and this attempt to try to enforce a "good vibes lang" culture around all the bad shit that's happening isn't optimism anymore, it's just being naive, similar to saying "hey poor people are being killed pero okay lang 'yan we can still find things to smile about." I mean, yeah, of course you can still find things to smile about life has to go on we've got no choice but to keep on trying to live. But your "i'm still hopeful" rhetoric isn't being hopeful it's ignoring reality, so while you sit comfortably in your Duterte bubble in whatever neighborhood you live in just remember that dozens of poor, defenseless Filipinos are being killed every night because a madman said he'd be willing to slaughter three million Filipinos because he wants to top the number Hitler gave. You're not going to try and get us to like him by attempting to say "good vibes lang broskis," you're just turning a blind eye to the bad shit because it doesn't affect you.

[Rojava Free State]

You're misinterpreting what I said.

Where did I say that the bad situations we are in aren't actually bad? You've already known by now I am opposed to Duterte's fucking ludicrous foreign policy with China, and to add to that I fear the debt trap that comes with it. You're just trying to paint me here as a blind lapdog of Duterte just because I support even one of his policies despite the fact I've made my opposition clear to some of them.

Let me rephrase this for you, something-other-than-sweetheart. We as Filipinos should stop focusing on the negative all the time. It doesn't mean we don't acknowledge they exist, but we should continue to hope that this administration will at least not fail to govern this shithole country right. Support them wholeheartedly when they do good for our country and our people, and call them out when they do otherwise.

Yes, I am one of those people who'll say "We're in some dire straits but I'm sure things will turn around" and I'm proud of it. Fite me.

That would be great if not for the fact that your hope for things to turn around rests on some still unfounded trust in the current administration, which is not founded in any kind of evidence anywhere in his track record. This administration has shown itself time and again to be bereft of any actual genuine will to do good for the public in any way. You're trying to paint yourself as "yeah I like Duterte but I'm not like those guys" when even the very fact of supporting Duterte now is still a bad thing because what you don't seem to understand is that nothing good is ever going to come out of this administration. Whatever good they believe they do isn't actually good because it's forever going to be undermined by the corruption and the rampant killings - much like Macoy and the "good" that he did. So, whatever actual "opposition" you may have to Duterte's crazier antics isn't going to cut it because you still support his administration. It's not actually opposition, it's trying to excuse him by saying "yeah well at least he's not Stalin amirite?"

So, you're not a blind Duterte lapdog. Congratulations, but this attempt to paint yourself similar to the "Never Trump" conservatives of America is that you - like they - are still in the fascist's camp. And that's the problem here. What you fail to face is that the only realistic way for things to actually turn around is for him to not be president anymore. And for some reason you can't accept that, and you actually saying "Yeah I still have hope" is just ludicrous at this point because what you're actually saying is "maybe Duterte's going to change" when he clearly isn't, and this attempt to try to enforce a "good vibes lang" culture around all the bad shit that's happening isn't optimism anymore, it's just being naive, similar to saying "hey poor people are being killed pero okay lang 'yan we can still find things to smile about." I mean, yeah, of course you can still find things to smile about life has to go on we've got no choice but to keep on trying to live. But your "i'm still hopeful" rhetoric isn't being hopeful it's ignoring reality, so while you sit comfortably in your Duterte bubble in whatever neighborhood you live in just remember that dozens of poor, defenseless Filipinos are being killed every night because a madman said he'd be willing to slaughter three million Filipinos because he wants to top the number Hitler gave. You're not going to try and get us to like him by attempting to say "good vibes lang broskis," you're just turning a blind eye to the bad shit because it doesn't affect you.

Honestly the people of the philippines should have a revolution and overthrow Duturte. Anytime the police shoot some kid for having weed, there should be an angry mob on the way to the local police precinct to ruin their day. But instead, I just see people crying and hoping it stops.

You want the vigilantes to stop killing people? Take them out. The surivival of innocent people will only be guarenteed when these Dutuerte death squad mad men are all six feet under and Rodrigo is hiding in Indonesia from his own people and every general of his military either was involved in exiling him (or worse), or on trial for crimes against humanity if they say loyal to him.

I'm just glad Pateros didn't break. Ike is coming down hard on the fascistic death squads that too many filipinos blindly support. I hope to God in 5 years that these murderous animals are either all dead or in prison for their crimes against the filipino people.

[Emperio Maharlika]

Honestly the people of the philippines should have a revolution and overthrow Duturte. Anytime the police shoot some kid for having weed, there should be an angry mob on the way to the local police precinct to ruin their day. But instead, I just see people crying and hoping it stops.

You want the vigilantes to stop killing people? Take them out. The surivival of innocent people will only be guarenteed when these Dutuerte death squad mad men are all six feet under and Rodrigo is hiding in Indonesia from his own people and every general of his military either was involved in exiling him (or worse), or on trial for crimes against humanity if they say loyal to him.

I'm just glad Pateros didn't break. Ike is coming down hard on the fascistic death squads that too many filipinos blindly support. I hope to God in 5 years that these murderous animals are either all dead or in prison for their crimes against the filipino people.

Won't happen. The people of the Philippines are too forgiving.
1) All it took for then-candidate (now ex-President) Arroyo to save the career from the Hello Garci scandal was a fucking apology.
2) A numerous amount of the Filipino populace still figuratively jack off to Ferdinand Marcos's speeches and apologist propaganda. I'm not saying FEM is entirely bad- there was a semblance of positivity with all the infrastructure he built and all, but martial law was overall, a damned disaster. Can't deny that. Oh, and the Marcoses still have a political career.
3) Erap was Mayor of Manila recently.
4) Erap was Mayor of Manila recently. And last but not least...
5) Erap was Mayor of Manila recently.

If Digong just-so happens to be impeached (not gonna happen but ok), let him cry on TV for a few minute, and the masa will try their very best to push him back to the presidency. I would point fingers at how Catholic culture has made the Filipinos passive asscheek-spreaders, but blaming is for another time. The fact of the matter is, as long as the Filipino people are not strong-willed enough to say, "fuck you [LEADER], you dipshit, that's unforgivable and I hope you die", don't expect a revolution to happen.

[Rojava Free State]

Honestly the people of the philippines should have a revolution and overthrow Duturte. Anytime the police shoot some kid for having weed, there should be an angry mob on the way to the local police precinct to ruin their day. But instead, I just see people crying and hoping it stops.

You want the vigilantes to stop killing people? Take them out. The surivival of innocent people will only be guarenteed when these Dutuerte death squad mad men are all six feet under and Rodrigo is hiding in Indonesia from his own people and every general of his military either was involved in exiling him (or worse), or on trial for crimes against humanity if they say loyal to him.

I'm just glad Pateros didn't break. Ike is coming down hard on the fascistic death squads that too many filipinos blindly support. I hope to God in 5 years that these murderous animals are either all dead or in prison for their crimes against the filipino people.

Won't happen. The people of the Philippines are too forgiving.
1) All it took for then-candidate (now ex-President) Arroyo to save the career from the Hello Garci scandal was a fucking apology.
2) A numerous amount of the Filipino populace still figuratively jack off to Ferdinand Marcos's speeches and apologist propaganda. I'm not saying FEM is entirely bad- there was a semblance of positivity with all the infrastructure he built and all, but martial law was overall, a damned disaster. Can't deny that. Oh, and the Marcoses still have a political career.
3) Erap was Mayor of Manila recently.
4) Erap was Mayor of Manila recently. And last but not least...
5) Erap was Mayor of Manila recently.

If Digong just-so happens to be impeached (not gonna happen but ok), let him cry on TV for a few minute, and the masa will try their very best to push him back to the presidency. I would point fingers at how Catholic culture has made the Filipinos passive asscheek-spreaders, but blaming is for another time. The fact of the matter is, as long as the Filipino people are not strong-willed enough to say, "fuck you [LEADER], you dipshit, that's unforgivable and I hope you die", don't expect a revolution to happen.

"Sorry I killed your family"
-Rodrigo Dutuerte, 2020. Make the Philippines Terrifying Again

[Stormwrath]

That would be great if not for the fact that your hope for things to turn around rests on some still unfounded trust in the current administration, which is not founded in any kind of evidence anywhere in his track record. This administration has shown itself time and again to be bereft of any actual genuine will to do good for the public in any way. You're trying to paint yourself as "yeah I like Duterte but I'm not like those guys" when even the very fact of supporting Duterte now is still a bad thing because what you don't seem to understand is that nothing good is ever going to come out of this administration.

Okay, how is he not doing any good for the public in any way? Give me 30 bullet points since I can count on you to give that many.

Whatever good they believe they do isn't actually good because it's forever going to be undermined by the corruption and the rampant killings - much like Macoy and the "good" that he did. So, whatever actual "opposition" you may have to Duterte's crazier antics isn't going to cut it because you still support his administration.

Hi, people aren't fucking monoliths. We aren't fully for or fully against things. I can still support his ten-point plan for the economy as well as the "Build Build Build" program while also being against selling us out to China, which I have already stated my categorical opposition to. I call him out because I want him to eventually succeed. For the love of God, you do *not* want, I guarantee you do not want, Duterte to fail because unfortunately for all of us he's the bloke piloting this plane-of-a-country. If he fails, we all crash, you realize that?

It's not actually opposition, it's trying to excuse him by saying "yeah well at least he's not Stalin amirite?"

Where did I make the "he's not as bad as Stalin" claim?

Go on.

So, you're not a blind Duterte lapdog. Congratulations, but this attempt to paint yourself similar to the "Never Trump" conservatives of America is that you - like they - are still in the fascist's camp. And that's the problem here.

Not being a Dutertard is still being a Dutertard?

Well shit, welcome to 2018 everybody.

Politics isn't a "You're either with us or against us" thing, m'kay?

What you fail to face is that the only realistic way for things to actually turn around is for him to not be president anymore.

Again, he's the unfortunate bloke flying this plane. Let's hope he can land this bird without crashing because if he fails, we all go down.

And for some reason you can't accept that, and you actually saying "Yeah I still have hope" is just ludicrous at this point because what you're actually saying is "maybe Duterte's going to change" when he clearly isn't, and this attempt to try to enforce a "good vibes lang" culture around all the bad shit that's happening isn't optimism anymore, it's just being naive, similar to saying "hey poor people are being killed pero okay lang 'yan we can still find things to smile about."

Once again, you're misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say that we should ignore the bad stuff. In fact we should be acknowledging they exist and say "what do we do about this?"

I mean, yeah, of course you can still find things to smile about life has to go on we've got no choice but to keep on trying to live. But your "i'm still hopeful" rhetoric isn't being hopeful it's ignoring reality, so while you sit comfortably in your Duterte bubble in whatever neighborhood you live in just remember that dozens of poor, defenseless Filipinos are being killed every night because a madman said he'd be willing to slaughter three million Filipinos because he wants to top the number Hitler gave.

Oh yes, me living in my Communist-infested, Muslim insurgent-ridden, poverty-stricken, crime-festering bubble. Clearly I must be disconnected from the plight of the poor and defenseless.

You're not going to try and get us to like him by attempting to say "good vibes lang broskis," you're just turning a blind eye to the bad shit because it doesn't affect you.

That's fine with me. If you still hate Duterte even after all this, fine. Means I don't have to try to convince you to be at least a little less cynical and nihilist and I can continue to stay positive on my own like the "ignorant and stupid moron" I am.

[Pasong Tirad]

That would be great if not for the fact that your hope for things to turn around rests on some still unfounded trust in the current administration, which is not founded in any kind of evidence anywhere in his track record. This administration has shown itself time and again to be bereft of any actual genuine will to do good for the public in any way. You're trying to paint yourself as "yeah I like Duterte but I'm not like those guys" when even the very fact of supporting Duterte now is still a bad thing because what you don't seem to understand is that nothing good is ever going to come out of this administration.

Okay, how is he not doing any good for the public in any way? Give me 30 bullet points since I can count on you to give that many.

Are you actually going to change your mind if I do this? No? Okay then stop telling me to jerk myself off to anti-Dutertismo. But I'm sure the Lumad schools being brutalized by the armed forces are going to be fine.

Whatever good they believe they do isn't actually good because it's forever going to be undermined by the corruption and the rampant killings - much like Macoy and the "good" that he did. So, whatever actual "opposition" you may have to Duterte's crazier antics isn't going to cut it because you still support his administration.

Hi, people aren't fucking monoliths. We aren't fully for or fully against things. I can still support his ten-point plan for the economy as well as the "Build Build Build" program while also being against selling us out to China, which I have already stated my categorical opposition to. I call him out because I want him to eventually succeed. For the love of God, you do *not* want, I guarantee you do not want, Duterte to fail because unfortunately for all of us he's the bloke piloting this plane-of-a-country. If he fails, we all crash, you realize that?

Another clear sign of your reliance on the strongman: you think we're going to go out in a puff of smoke if Duterte isn't president. You're clearly wrong, but now it's just even clearer that virtually nothing is going to change your mind about the God-Emperor.

It's not actually opposition, it's trying to excuse him by saying "yeah well at least he's not Stalin amirite?"

Where did I make the "he's not as bad as Stalin" claim?

Go on.

It's called a... *goes through notes* a metaphor. It's called a metaphor.

So, you're not a blind Duterte lapdog. Congratulations, but this attempt to paint yourself similar to the "Never Trump" conservatives of America is that you - like they - are still in the fascist's camp. And that's the problem here.

Not being a Dutertard is still being a Dutertard?

Well shit, welcome to 2018 everybody.

Politics isn't a "You're either with us or against us" thing, m'kay?

That would be true in most cases but in this case right now it's like saying you're either pregnant or you're not. He's a fascist and you're either a supporter of the fascist or you're not.

What you fail to face is that the only realistic way for things to actually turn around is for him to not be president anymore.

Again, he's the unfortunate bloke flying this plane. Let's hope he can land this bird without crashing because if he fails, we all go down.

You've not actually been able to prove that. Probably because you can't.

And for some reason you can't accept that, and you actually saying "Yeah I still have hope" is just ludicrous at this point because what you're actually saying is "maybe Duterte's going to change" when he clearly isn't, and this attempt to try to enforce a "good vibes lang" culture around all the bad shit that's happening isn't optimism anymore, it's just being naive, similar to saying "hey poor people are being killed pero okay lang 'yan we can still find things to smile about."

Once again, you're misinterpreting what I said. I didn't say that we should ignore the bad stuff. In fact we should be acknowledging they exist and say "what do we do about this?"

Except your version of "what do we do about this" still has Duterte at the helm, when the very main thing that we can do is to get him out of Malacanan and put somebody who doesn't think that the only solution to everything is to murder everyone and to bend over to Emperor Xi the Pooh.

I mean, yeah, of course you can still find things to smile about life has to go on we've got no choice but to keep on trying to live. But your "i'm still hopeful" rhetoric isn't being hopeful it's ignoring reality, so while you sit comfortably in your Duterte bubble in whatever neighborhood you live in just remember that dozens of poor, defenseless Filipinos are being killed every night because a madman said he'd be willing to slaughter three million Filipinos because he wants to top the number Hitler gave.

Oh yes, me living in my Communist-infested, Muslim insurgent-ridden, poverty-stricken, crime-festering bubble. Clearly I must be disconnected from the plight of the poor and defenseless.

Oh, so, Davao actually isn't one of the safest cities in the world? And I hope you'll be able to excuse my belief that you don't actually care about the poor because, well, you still support the guy who doesn't give two shits about them.

You're not going to try and get us to like him by attempting to say "good vibes lang broskis," you're just turning a blind eye to the bad shit because it doesn't affect you.

That's fine with me. If you still hate Duterte even after all this, fine. Means I don't have to try to convince you to be at least a little less cynical and nihilist and I can continue to stay positive on my own like the "ignorant and stupid moron" I am.

Again, we're not cynical or nihilist. You're trying to push on us a dichotomy that is just so blatantly false it's laughable.

[Stormwrath]

Are you actually going to change your mind if I do this? No? Okay then stop telling me to jerk myself off to anti-Dutertismo. But I'm sure the Lumad schools being brutalized by the armed forces are going to be fine.

One down, 29 to go.

Another clear sign of your reliance on the strongman: you think we're going to go out in a puff of smoke if Duterte isn't president. You're clearly wrong, but now it's just even clearer that virtually nothing is going to change your mind about the God-Emperor.

I'm preeeeetty sure most 3rd world countries, many of which were former Western colonies, would end up being failed states without a strongman to hold it together. They didn't have as much time to develop their own institutions compared to Europe or East Asia. But fuck history, right?

It's called a... *goes through notes* a metaphor. It's called a metaphor.

Wrong. You're strawmanning.

That would be true in most cases but in this case right now it's like saying you're either pregnant or you're not. He's a fascist and you're either a supporter of the fascist or you're not.

How is he fascist, and what does that have to do with us?

You've not actually been able to prove that. Probably because you can't.

You must have very limited imagination.

Except your version of "what do we do about this" still has Duterte at the helm, when the very main thing that we can do is to get him out of Malacanan and put somebody who doesn't think that the only solution to everything is to murder everyone and to bend over to Emperor Xi the Pooh.

And replace him with who? Or what?

Oh, so, Davao actually isn't one of the safest cities in the world? And I hope you'll be able to excuse my belief that you don't actually care about the poor because, well, you still support the guy who doesn't give two shits about them.

I don't actually live in Davao right now, so...

Again, we're not cynical or nihilist. You're trying to push on us a dichotomy that is just so blatantly false it's laughable.

And you push a dichotomy between being either a supporter of the fascist or not.

[Pasong Tirad]

Are you actually going to change your mind if I do this? No? Okay then stop telling me to jerk myself off to anti-Dutertismo. But I'm sure the Lumad schools being brutalized by the armed forces are going to be fine.

One down, 29 to go.

Pffft yeah like you're actually going to change your mind if I list down 30 things wrong with this administration. Really now. But at least you've conceded that hey maybe bombing Lumads isn't such a great idea. Good job, you'll be on our side of the aisle soon enough if this goes on.

Another clear sign of your reliance on the strongman: you think we're going to go out in a puff of smoke if Duterte isn't president. You're clearly wrong, but now it's just even clearer that virtually nothing is going to change your mind about the God-Emperor.

I'm preeeeetty sure most 3rd world countries, many of which were former Western colonies, would end up being failed states without a strongman to hold it together. They didn't have as much time to develop their own institutions compared to Europe or East Asia. But fuck history, right?

Ah of course the strongman argument. A failed argument of course, given how many countries in the global south right now are doing pretty well without the need for a strongman. But sure, go off on your authoritarian wet dreams. I'm sure Macoy would love it. You're literally using the Duterte playbook of counter-arguments.

It's called a... *goes through notes* a metaphor. It's called a metaphor.

Wrong. You're strawmanning.

I'm really not. It was a metaphor highlighting how you saying "hey things can get better" Is pretty much the same as saying "things can't get any worse," which is similar to saying "hey at least he's not Mao!" Not a strawman, a valid argument. Do better.

That would be true in most cases but in this case right now it's like saying you're either pregnant or you're not. He's a fascist and you're either a supporter of the fascist or you're not.

How is he fascist, and what does that have to do with us?

"What does our president being a fascist have to do with us" top fucking kek

He walks like a fascist, talks like a fascist, and has actively admitted to being a fascist. He's literally compared himself to Hitler. And if we take Umberto Eco's characteristics of a fascist regime he pretty much checks most if not all of the boxes. That and how he's pretty much tightened his grip on all three branches of government, all the while attempting to do everything in his power to make sure the government changes. He's currently failing, thankfully, but that doesn't make him less of a fascist.

You've not actually been able to prove that. Probably because you can't.

You must have very limited imagination.

Still not an argument for how we're going to fail if we didn't have a strongman.

Except your version of "what do we do about this" still has Duterte at the helm, when the very main thing that we can do is to get him out of Malacanan and put somebody who doesn't think that the only solution to everything is to murder everyone and to bend over to Emperor Xi the Pooh.

And replace him with who? Or what?

With somebody who doesn't get an erection at the thought of holding all the cards and trying to subvert legal authority? With whoever is next in the line of succession as detailed in our constitution? Which this president is supposed to uphold but is actively attempting to overthrow?

Again, we're not cynical or nihilist. You're trying to push on us a dichotomy that is just so blatantly false it's laughable.

And you push a dichotomy between being either a supporter of the fascist or not.

Except that's actually a true dichotomy, unlike yours. You either support Duterte or you don't.


What's painfully funny about this argument is that it's not going to change your mind no matter how many actual proper facts are shoved into your face.

[Emperio Maharlika]

Won't happen. The people of the Philippines are too forgiving.
1) All it took for then-candidate (now ex-President) Arroyo to save the career from the Hello Garci scandal was a fucking apology.
2) A numerous amount of the Filipino populace still figuratively jack off to Ferdinand Marcos's speeches and apologist propaganda. I'm not saying FEM is entirely bad- there was a semblance of positivity with all the infrastructure he built and all, but martial law was overall, a damned disaster. Can't deny that. Oh, and the Marcoses still have a political career.
3) Erap was Mayor of Manila recently.
4) Erap was Mayor of Manila recently. And last but not least...
5) Erap was Mayor of Manila recently.

If Digong just-so happens to be impeached (not gonna happen but ok), let him cry on TV for a few minute, and the masa will try their very best to push him back to the presidency. I would point fingers at how Catholic culture has made the Filipinos passive asscheek-spreaders, but blaming is for another time. The fact of the matter is, as long as the Filipino people are not strong-willed enough to say, "fuck you [LEADER], you dipshit, that's unforgivable and I hope you die", don't expect a revolution to happen.

"Sorry I killed your family"
-Rodrigo Dutuerte, 2020. Make the Philippines Terrifying Again

"Apology accepted, you're pardoned for all your crimes, let's all move on. Good vibes nalang ta broooo. Ato ni bai!"

[Victoriala II]

Honestly the people of the philippines should have a revolution and overthrow Duturte. Anytime the police shoot some kid for having weed, there should be an angry mob on the way to the local police precinct to ruin their day. But instead, I just see people crying and hoping it stops.

you underestimate how much we suck dick

[Rojava Free State]

Honestly the people of the philippines should have a revolution and overthrow Duturte. Anytime the police shoot some kid for having weed, there should be an angry mob on the way to the local police precinct to ruin their day. But instead, I just see people crying and hoping it stops.

you underestimate how much we suck dick

I really don't. From the constant overworship of caucasians and far east asians due to being dominated and oppressed horrifically for hundreds of years by the spanish, Americans and Japanese, to the amount of hypocrisy among filipinos where they'll insult people for crap they themself do, to the judgementalism, to the fake niceness while they criticize you behind your back, to the bizarre idea that they can ask for money repeatedly from American friends cause we're all supposedly rich (30% of Americans are poor or very damn close to poverty, FYi, and we were reclassified this year as a developing country), I know hella filipinos can be annoying and ignorant.

Not all of course, but it seems like if it isnt a majority, it's a very significant minority.

[Rojava Free State]

I mean seriously, that's another issue alongside this duturte killing everyone situation. Can the philippines quit it with the skin lightening cream and hope of having "white babies?" If I as a Puerto Rican can't be white in America, then none of that is giving you any hope unless God comes down and turns you all into blonde haired, blue eyed northern euros, and your "white babies" are gonna be mixed raced, not white. Best case scenario, the combination makes some Korean or Japanese looking children.

I still haven't mentioned to my girlfriend's family that I'm not really white in America. They're really hoping we go somewhere with this relationship and I don't feel like disappointing them with the fact that if we had children, they'd be about as white as George Lopez. Meanwhile, my poor girlfriend has caught hate from other pinoys for being half black (her mom is African-American), all because the filipinos seem to hate themselves and other dark skinned people of the world while blindly worshipping Europeans and East Asians who killed or enslaved their ancestors and showed nothing but cruelty. These hypocrites insulted my girlfriend's dark skin (it's no darker than these other filipino folks, but they're obviously delusional), and called her numerous racist insults such as "monkey," and others i dare not repeat here.

So here's my basic underlying theme. STOP. get help.
If you already agree with what I'm saying, then more power to you. BUT if you constantly worship white skin, ask yourself what good these supposed light colored Gods have done for you. They raped, murdered and enslaved your ancestors. They destroyed your original culture and religion. They put you under the control of a far away government, and they looked down on you as inferior. I'd call these conquerors demons before calling them Gods. While I of course hold no animosity toward White or East Asian people, we need to recognize them for who they are. They're human beings who can be good or evil. Their civilizations have historically done great evil to the Philippines and other colonized peoples, and conversly today, most white americans and Europeans (many of the japanese are still hella racist, though they're progressing too) do not demand or want your intense admiration. I think most would be very upset by your self deprecation and hatred of others like yourself.

You can have dark skin and still be beautiful. You should love your children even if they aren't part European. You should be proud of your own culture and not attempt to claim another. The Philippines has potential to be great but its people have to understand that there are problems that need to be solved. That's it.

[Duhon]

A bit late into this (phone's conked out for the last few days, so I'll have to make do with an Internet cafe while I wait for word), but a bit on our craze for lightening our hues (mine's limited by my never going out of Luzon, but here goes): our "white is beautiful" approach has no tinge of bigotry about it; we just like to look white, at least as much as dying your hair brown is the rage among our younger womenfolk these days. We don't struggle with inferiority complexes bragging about our brown-skinned supremacy by way of compensation; we just put an unseemly amount of self-esteem on whiter and whiter skin.

There's really nothing to it save vanity -- I feel confident about it enough to assume those Pinoys who have said as much to your girlfriend must have had an indecent amount of exposure to American society, which obsesses over "WHICH MINORITY ARE YOU, N-----?!" way too much, and couldn't help but scrutinize their fellow Pinoys as they've been scrutinized by other.

[Duhon]

Anyhow: anyone wanna go into depth about Duterte's increasingly blatant attempts to foment a state under siege where it doesn't exist, as with his desire to create (or maybe spread nationwide) his own private army, out and about to crush anyone who looks like a commie?

[Stormwrath]

Anyhow: anyone wanna go into depth about Duterte's increasingly blatant attempts to foment a state under siege where it doesn't exist, as with his desire to create (or maybe spread nationwide) his own private army, out and about to crush anyone who looks like a commie?

What and what.

[Duhon]

Anyhow: anyone wanna go into depth about Duterte's increasingly blatant attempts to foment a state under siege where it doesn't exist, as with his desire to create (or maybe spread nationwide) his own private army, out and about to crush anyone who looks like a commie?

What and what.

DDS. Ganun ba kaconvoluted ang English ko?

[Stormwrath]

What and what.

DDS. Ganun ba kaconvoluted ang English ko?

Oho. Kay vigilante group 'yon, hindi private army.