BongBongLand (Philippine) Discussion Thread

[Victoriala II]

Better to remember the past, acknowledge the fails, and learn from it... ideally while not repeating or making worse fails.

Unfortunately, our own taongbayan are very fond of NOT learning from the past, or worse actively learning the wrong lessons...

How observant of you, Captain Obvious. Truly, cynicism is what our country needs to go forward.

thanks I'm a nihilist

[Stormwrath]

Many of our countrymen are actively afraid of confronting their/our worst traits, instead preferring to indulge in moronic "think positive/surround with good vibes" self-brainwashing.

And everytime someone upsets their delusion either by pointing out facts or flaws that we need to fix, on cue, many Filipinos don't take it well (to put it lightly). Anything that threatens their constructed reality bubble would make them think of uncomfortable things both of the country and of themselves, and we can't have that now can we? Meanwhile, nothing gets fixed and the powerful continue screwing up everything.

The fact that all you can muster in reaction to my post is an insipid "your cynicism is bad, we have to believe it'll get better guise", instead of giving a coherent and informed argument as to why anyone should believe this country will do better, is quite demonstrative.

You should be glad people are being cynical and expressing it. It means 1) their cognitive functions haven't been destroyed yet, and more importantly 2) they still give a shit about this crazy collection of islands (especially when they actually happen to live on them, unlike some of the people on this thread who are admitted expatriates with comfortable lives in Australia or USA or some other country).

Or would you rather have apathy instead?

Oh please. You think Filipinos aren't as pessimistic as you think they are? We have millions of reasons to hate this fucking shithole of a country (my wording being case and point). We think that flag ceremonies are an unnecessary chore, we spit on our politicians until we run out of saliva, and we leave the Philippines in droves for greener pastures. Being positive in the face of complete shit isn't a delusion, it's a trait that has kept us going for so long.

Yes, having all sorts of reactions to the situation in this country, including cynicism, are valid expressions. Hell, I'm probably the most cynical person I know. But you don't see me wallowing in abject and utter contempt for this country or its people now do you? Or even self-pity because I cannot change my situation, for all of these things are out of my control?

You're saying that I should be offering solutions instead of complaining about how I'm not being cynical enough. Oh please, I'm as cynical as I can be, and you already know the solutions.

[Vulkata II]

Many of our countrymen are actively afraid of confronting their/our worst traits, instead preferring to indulge in moronic "think positive/surround with good vibes" self-brainwashing.

And everytime someone upsets their delusion either by pointing out facts or flaws that we need to fix, on cue, many Filipinos don't take it well (to put it lightly). Anything that threatens their constructed reality bubble would make them think of uncomfortable things both of the country and of themselves, and we can't have that now can we? Meanwhile, nothing gets fixed and the powerful continue screwing up everything.

The fact that all you can muster in reaction to my post is an insipid "your cynicism is bad, we have to believe it'll get better guise", instead of giving a coherent and informed argument as to why anyone should believe this country will do better, is quite demonstrative.

You should be glad people are being cynical and expressing it. It means 1) their cognitive functions haven't been destroyed yet, and more importantly 2) they still give a shit about this crazy collection of islands (especially when they actually happen to live on them, unlike some of the people on this thread who are admitted expatriates with comfortable lives in Australia or USA or some other country).

Or would you rather have apathy instead?

Oh please. You think Filipinos aren't as pessimistic as you think they are? We have millions of reasons to hate this fucking shithole of a country (my wording being case and point). We think that flag ceremonies are an unnecessary chore, we spit on our politicians until we run out of saliva, and we leave the Philippines in droves for greener pastures. Being positive in the face of complete shit isn't a delusion, it's a trait that has kept us going for so long.

Yes, having all sorts of reactions to the situation in this country, including cynicism, are valid expressions. Hell, I'm probably the most cynical person I know. But you don't see me wallowing in abject and utter contempt for this country or its people now do you? Or even self-pity because I cannot change my situation, for all of these things are out of my control?

You're saying that I should be offering solutions instead of complaining about how I'm not being cynical enough. Oh please, I'm as cynical as I can be, and you already know the solutions.

What you just said reminds me of this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/b/b2/LiHtTKp.png/revision/latest?cb=20150904121808

[Stormwrath]

What you just said reminds me of this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/polandball/images/b/b2/LiHtTKp.png/revision/latest?cb=20150904121808

Accurate.

[Saradena]

China to UN: Respect PH sovereignty

What fucking timeline are we on right now

[Vulkata II]

On an unrelated note:CJ's impeachment.

Yay or nay?

[New Visayan Islands]

China to UN: Respect PH sovereignty

What fucking timeline are we on right now

To be fair, there is a good reason for a nation's sovereignty to be compromised, typically if said sovereignty is used to cover violations of peremptory norms. If it can be determined that the Drug War, inter alia, was being "won" through actions that would qualify as crimes against humanity, Rome Statute or no Rome Statute, someone would have to be held accountable, and even if that person was given the proverbial get-out-of-jail-free card internally, they'd still be on the hook per the Nuremberg Principles, particularly the second principle, which states that the "fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law (emphasis mine)."

Speaking of the ChiComs, arms deals with the West were nixed per arms embargoes established as a result of the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989, but I digress.

[Stormwrath]

On an unrelated note:CJ's impeachment.

Yay or nay?

I don't care about the outcome of the impeachment case against Sereno. But ideally the government shouldn't be mulling over impeachments and actually running the country. This llama drama is a diversion.

China to UN: Respect PH sovereignty

What fucking timeline are we on right now

To be fair, there is a good reason for a nation's sovereignty to be compromised, typically if said sovereignty is used to cover violations of peremptory norms. If it can be determined that the Drug War, inter alia, was being "won" through actions that would qualify as crimes against humanity, Rome Statute or no Rome Statute, someone would have to be held accountable, and even if that person was given the proverbial get-out-of-jail-free card internally, they'd still be on the hook per the Nuremberg Principles, particularly the second principle, which states that the "fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law (emphasis mine)."

Speaking of the ChiComs, arms deals with the West were nixed per arms embargoes established as a result of the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989, but I digress.

Makes the whole argument for sovereignty moot in the eyes of the international community, innit?

[Victoriala II]

China to UN: Respect PH sovereignty

What fucking timeline are we on right now

Only Xi dada must be allowed to put the dragon dildo in

[New Visayan Islands]

On an unrelated note:CJ's impeachment.

Yay or nay?

I don't care about the outcome of the impeachment case against Sereno. But ideally the government shouldn't be mulling over impeachments and actually running the country. This llama drama is a diversion.

To be fair, there is a good reason for a nation's sovereignty to be compromised, typically if said sovereignty is used to cover violations of peremptory norms. If it can be determined that the Drug War, inter alia, was being "won" through actions that would qualify as crimes against humanity, Rome Statute or no Rome Statute, someone would have to be held accountable, and even if that person was given the proverbial get-out-of-jail-free card internally, they'd still be on the hook per the Nuremberg Principles, particularly the second principle, which states that the "fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law (emphasis mine)."

Speaking of the ChiComs, arms deals with the West were nixed per arms embargoes established as a result of the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989, but I digress.

Makes the whole argument for sovereignty moot in the eyes of the international community, innit?

There is historical precedent, after all, if WW2 is any indication.

[Vulkata II]

On an unrelated note:CJ's impeachment.

Yay or nay?

I don't care about the outcome of the impeachment case against Sereno. But ideally the government shouldn't be mulling over impeachments and actually running the country. This llama drama is a diversion.

To be fair, there is a good reason for a nation's sovereignty to be compromised, typically if said sovereignty is used to cover violations of peremptory norms. If it can be determined that the Drug War, inter alia, was being "won" through actions that would qualify as crimes against humanity, Rome Statute or no Rome Statute, someone would have to be held accountable, and even if that person was given the proverbial get-out-of-jail-free card internally, they'd still be on the hook per the Nuremberg Principles, particularly the second principle, which states that the "fact that internal law does not impose a penalty for an act which constitutes a crime under international law does not relieve the person who committed the act from responsibility under international law (emphasis mine)."

Speaking of the ChiComs, arms deals with the West were nixed per arms embargoes established as a result of the Tiananmen Square Massacre of 1989, but I digress.

Makes the whole argument for sovereignty moot in the eyes of the international community, innit?

Sounds about right.

[Vulkata II]

So...

Almost one year has been made, has anyone heard anything good from Marawi?

[Stormwrath]

So...

Almost one year has been made, has anyone heard anything good from Marawi?

So far no. It's taken a while for rebuilding to start according to some people who went there, since the army's taking their sweet time disarming IEDs.

[Victoriala II]

putangina ambagal ng tren sa edsa

[Vulkata II]

putangina ambagal ng tren sa edsa

Ayun lang? Paano ang traffic, na palagi nasisira ang LRT at MRT at ang progresso ng Pilipinas gawa sa politiko?

[Free Tristania]

putangina ambagal ng tren sa edsa

My poor fiancee everyday.... Normally she'd be just as stuck as you are now.

[Victoriala II]

putangina ambagal ng tren sa edsa

Ayun lang? Paano ang traffic, na palagi nasisira ang LRT at MRT at ang progresso ng Pilipinas gawa sa politiko?

OK lang LRT mas mabilis pa nga ihh

[New Visayan Islands]

putangina ambagal ng tren sa edsa

What would normally take me an average of 90 minutes would take me around 2 hours to compensate for the frakking trains!

[Korhal IVV]

Ano ang pamilya na mahilig kumain ng beans?

The Bean-ays (Binays)

[New Visayan Islands]

Ano ang pamilya na mahilig kumain ng beans?

The Bean-ays (Binays)

Keep them away from my son, then; he has G6PD deficiency.

[Petrasylvania]

Imelda Marcos convicted of graft, sentenced to prison

But will she have to forfeit her shoes?

[Victoriala II]

Imelda Marcos convicted of graft, sentenced to prison

But will she have to forfeit her shoes?

Pag hindi nakawin nyo

[Neo-Routhengard]

My take is, as a Miriam Defensor-Santiago vote in the last 2016 elections and formerly ideologically in support of Duterte especially in regards to tough discipline and war on drugs, I can say that for better or for worse, Duterte's presidency suddenly increased the cynicism of the common Filipino voter. Hopefully with the next elections in 2019 and 2022 that cynicism would be practically maintained, and a better leader elected in 2022. As much as I liked some of Duterte's policies, I would not rather see a person like him take the reins again, inconsistent as he is right now.

[Stormwrath]

Lol, forgot this thread existed.

Anyway, cynicism has always existed since the Marcos Era. But I doubt that being so negative about everything will eventually get us a good leader. Otherwise there will never be a good leader in our eyes.

[Korhal IVV]

Lol, forgot this thread existed.

Anyway, cynicism has always existed since the Marcos Era. But I doubt that being so negative about everything will eventually get us a good leader. Otherwise there will never be a good leader in our eyes.

Yeah. Constantly whining about how crap the government is won’t change it; Filipinos keep failing to vote for the right people anway just because they were given 500 pesos and a fish. Change begins from within.

In another note, I am quite triggered at Twitter right due to smart shamers. Lel.