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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 23, 2017 12:03 am

Kovacna wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Lol @ the "muh freedom of speech" argument, clearly showing your ignorance of how freedom of speech actually works.


I believe that for leftists like you, freedom of speech is more like "i have freedom of speech as long as it doesn't hurt my fragile feelings" lmaooo

Did you just assume my political alignment?

Please. If you think you're actually making a dent on me then you need to check yo self back in your gated community. Here's what free speech actually is, buddy.

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Postby Kovacna » Tue May 23, 2017 12:10 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Kovacna wrote:
I believe that for leftists like you, freedom of speech is more like "i have freedom of speech as long as it doesn't hurt my fragile feelings" lmaooo

Did you just assume my political alignment?

Please. If you think you're actually making a dent on me then you need to check yo self back in your gated community. Here's what free speech actually is, buddy.


Yes, I am totally aware of that, and this is the very reason why I am strongly against hate speech laws. These "laws" basically violate your freedom of speech. We're getting off-topic here. I do not see what's so bad with actions having more value than words.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 23, 2017 12:12 am

Kovacna wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Did you just assume my political alignment?

Please. If you think you're actually making a dent on me then you need to check yo self back in your gated community. Here's what free speech actually is, buddy.


Yes, I am totally aware of that, and this is the very reason why I am strongly against hate speech laws. These "laws" basically violate your freedom of speech. We're getting off-topic here. I do not see what's so bad with actions having more value than words.

I don't see what's so bad with holding someone accountable for saying we should kill people.

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Postby Kovacna » Tue May 23, 2017 12:16 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Kovacna wrote:
Yes, I am totally aware of that, and this is the very reason why I am strongly against hate speech laws. These "laws" basically violate your freedom of speech. We're getting off-topic here. I do not see what's so bad with actions having more value than words.

I don't see what's so bad with holding someone accountable for saying we should kill people.


Because showing your own point of view on things doesn't mean you are accountable for the actions of other people. Arrest the person who actually committed the crime, not the person who showed an extremely negative point of view.

It's like dealing with KKK or some other hate group/racist. They have the freedom of speech, they can't be arrested for their negative opinions, but they can only be arrested for actual crimes like killing and other things which are negative actions, not negative opinions.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 23, 2017 12:28 am

Kovacna wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:I don't see what's so bad with holding someone accountable for saying we should kill people.


Because showing your own point of view on things doesn't mean you are accountable for the actions of other people. Arrest the person who actually committed the crime, not the person who showed an extremely negative point of view.

It's like dealing with KKK or some other hate group/racist. They have the freedom of speech, they can't be arrested for their negative opinions, but they can only be arrested for actual crimes like killing and other things which are negative actions, not negative opinions.

Yeah sure let's not arrest Marcos because he didn't pull the trigger.

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Postby Kovacna » Tue May 23, 2017 12:31 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Kovacna wrote:
Because showing your own point of view on things doesn't mean you are accountable for the actions of other people. Arrest the person who actually committed the crime, not the person who showed an extremely negative point of view.

It's like dealing with KKK or some other hate group/racist. They have the freedom of speech, they can't be arrested for their negative opinions, but they can only be arrested for actual crimes like killing and other things which are negative actions, not negative opinions.

Yeah sure let's not arrest Marcos because he didn't pull the trigger.


There's a fine line between a formal law or order and a mere statement given, which should simply be treated as an opinion.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 23, 2017 12:34 am

Kovacna wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Yeah sure let's not arrest Marcos because he didn't pull the trigger.


There's a fine line between a formal law or order and a mere statement given, which should simply be treated as an opinion.

No.

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Postby Kovacna » Tue May 23, 2017 12:36 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Kovacna wrote:
There's a fine line between a formal law or order and a mere statement given, which should simply be treated as an opinion.

No.


I don't see anything bad with that line lmao

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 23, 2017 12:38 am

Kovacna wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:No.


I don't see anything bad with that line lmao

Of course you don't.

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Postby Kovacna » Tue May 23, 2017 1:52 am

Any opinions regarding the imposition of federalism in PH?

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Postby Kubra » Tue May 23, 2017 1:55 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Kovacna wrote:
Only actions count, not words. Words don't do anything, actions do.

What the hell kind of mute world do you live in.
philosophy of the cudgel innit
wasn't there some other guy on NS who was really into giovanni gentile

Kovacna wrote:It's the reality. Life is basically survival of the fittest, and a competition of fulfilling your own interests first. It's not about being cold-hearted, it's just our natural instinct to think of ourselves first.
how much is your 1rm dl tho
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Postby Kovacna » Tue May 23, 2017 2:08 am

Kubra wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:What the hell kind of mute world do you live in.
philosophy of the cudgel innit
wasn't there some other guy on NS who was really into giovanni gentile

Kovacna wrote:It's the reality. Life is basically survival of the fittest, and a competition of fulfilling your own interests first. It's not about being cold-hearted, it's just our natural instinct to think of ourselves first.
how much is your 1rm dl tho


I'm more of a guy who believes in Niccolo Machiavelli's thoughts.

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Postby Kubra » Tue May 23, 2017 2:13 am

Kovacna wrote:
Kubra wrote: philosophy of the cudgel innit
wasn't there some other guy on NS who was really into giovanni gentile

how much is your 1rm dl tho


I'm more of a guy who believes in Niccolo Machiavelli's thoughts.
Except for the bits in his discourses on livy, it seems
still ain't gotten back on your 1rm dl
how much is it
“Atomic war is inevitable. It will destroy half of humanity: it is going to destroy immense human riches. It is very possible. The atomic war is going to provoke a true inferno on Earth. But it will not impede Communism.”
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Postby Kovacna » Tue May 23, 2017 2:16 am

Kubra wrote:
Kovacna wrote:I'm more of a guy who believes in Niccolo Machiavelli's thoughts.
Except for the bits in his discourses on livy, it seems
still ain't gotten back on your 1rm dl
how much is it


What do you mean by this?

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Kubra
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Postby Kubra » Tue May 23, 2017 2:18 am

Kovacna wrote:
Kubra wrote: Except for the bits in his discourses on livy, it seems
still ain't gotten back on your 1rm dl
how much is it

What do you mean by this?
The maximum amount of weight you can deadlift for one repetition.
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Postby Kovacna » Tue May 23, 2017 3:09 am

Kubra wrote:
Kovacna wrote:What do you mean by this?
The maximum amount of weight you can deadlift for one repetition.


I don't know, I've never tried it.

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Pasong Tirad
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue May 23, 2017 3:54 am

Enough of that. ISIS has occupied parts of Marawi. God help us.

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Postby Kovacna » Tue May 23, 2017 4:21 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:Enough of that. ISIS has occupied parts of Marawi. God help us.


What do you mean "enough of that"? Anyways, I'm thinking if an all-out war against the Abus would be effective, just like how Erap did it against the MILF.

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Postby Stormwrath » Tue May 23, 2017 4:38 am

Kovacna wrote:I'm more of a guy who believes in Niccolo Machiavelli's thoughts.

Ha. Machiavelli. Good one.

Pasong Tirad wrote:What a nice world we live in where what a leader says doesn't make him accountable for anything.

What a nice world we live in where a leader's opinion is always public policy.

Kovacna wrote:A completely normal world which is free of political correctness and where freedom of speech thrives.

No no no, you don't understand. Free speech is acceptable except when it's outrageous. :P

Kovacna wrote:
Pasong Tirad wrote:Enough of that. ISIS has occupied parts of Marawi. God help us.


What do you mean "enough of that"? Anyways, I'm thinking if an all-out war against the Abus would be effective, just like how Erap did it against the MILF.

Oi, you trying to get me killed over here? I'm not gonna have to go back into my hole and wait this war out, no no. We Mindanaoans don't need another war here, dammit. :roll:
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Postby Kovacna » Tue May 23, 2017 5:06 am

Stormwrath wrote:
Kovacna wrote:A completely normal world which is free of political correctness and where freedom of speech thrives.

No no no, you don't understand. Free speech is acceptable except when it's outrageous. :P

Kovacna wrote:
What do you mean "enough of that"? Anyways, I'm thinking if an all-out war against the Abus would be effective, just like how Erap did it against the MILF.

Oi, you trying to get me killed over here? I'm not gonna have to go back into my hole and wait this war out, no no. We Mindanaoans don't need another war here, dammit. :roll:


I accept free speech, but let's remember that we are also free to criticize. Speaking of dealing with ISIS, I don't really know, but what if ISIS thrives because the government isn't doing enough?

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Postby Victoriala II » Tue May 23, 2017 5:17 am

Mundiferrum wrote:
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you know, i must say i'm loving much of your commentary on all this

It's a living

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Postby Victoriala II » Tue May 23, 2017 5:19 am

speak whatever the fuck you want, just prepare to get bodied if you get too annoying

Kovacna wrote:
Victoriala II wrote:we just eat shit and fuck don't make it so morally charged jesus fuck


i'm not the one who promotes "logical secular morality" here lmao. in a secular perspective, i see nothing logical with the moral/ethical concepts


dog eat dog's pretty moral nico

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Postby Stormwrath » Tue May 23, 2017 5:28 am

Kovacna wrote:I accept free speech, but let's remember that we are also free to criticize. Speaking of dealing with ISIS, I don't really know, but what if ISIS thrives because the government isn't doing enough?

ISIS thrives regardless if the government's gonna hunt for them or not. The reason why they're so successful is because they are able to make homegrown terrorists through radicalization over social media as well as basically giving them a "How to be a Jihadist 101" crash course on any piece of media they can get their hands on. That means anyone anywhere can launch an attack just from watching ISIS propaganda and happening to have chemicals to make an IED or some firearms or whatever may be used to hurt and/or terrorize people.

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Postby Hastiaka » Tue May 23, 2017 5:31 am

Marawi City is under siege.

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/898775/go ... arawi-city
coincidentally I was drafting a post about Duterte visiting Marawi after terrorists attacked a military camp in the PTTM RP Im in when I heard the news.
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Postby Theodosiya » Tue May 23, 2017 5:48 am

Yo guys need some help? Might be useful for proving ground for TNI :p.
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