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by Victoriala II » Sat May 20, 2017 1:29 am
by The Republic of Pantalleria » Sat May 20, 2017 1:38 am
Kovacna wrote:Mundiferrum wrote:the problem isn't that he's impolite; the problem is more that he's so blase about death. he's basically inciting us all not just to rail against the establishment, which i don't agree with but isn't necessarily evil, but to rail against the deepest standards of good and evil by which our society is kept sane. hate against the EU? it might lead to economic ruin, which would destroy your point about "committing to positive change", but sure. ignore all incentives to make this current drug war any less murderous, even if he's not directly responsible for all the deaths? might as well be responsible for those deaths, he's supposed to represent this entire nation.
By positive change I mean change that is beneficial ONLY to the Philippines. That's the only thing that matters: that he serves his country well because Duterte is only answerable to the Filipino people.
"Deepest standards of good and evil?" Don't lecture me about morality and ethics: there is nothing logical with morality unless you talk about a certain actions should be done which would benefit your own country and your own people.
"Hate against the EU?" Negative opinion, that is. The EU needs better leaders, not the Philippines. The EU can't even answer the cultural jihad that's spreading in their nations and they come here lecturing us about "human rights" while they seem to be okay with ithe free movement of pedophile "refugees". Place leaders like Le Pen, Wilders, Farage, Orbán, Hofer and Petry in those EU countries, and not replace Duterte in the Philippines.
The deaths are mostly caused by people who resist arrest: they should know that they should not resist arrest and instead surrender to the police. If they don't surrender, then it is COMPLETELY LEGAL to shoot them in the name of self-defence. I completely support that notion, and no, Duterte isn't responsible for those killings and he cannot and he has no right to apologize for anyone: he can only apologise for himself.
What Duterte SHOULD change, however, is the policy in which policemen are screened. He should focus more on the corrupt policemen who abuse their power, and not on the current "EJK" exaggeration that the opposition keeps on crying about. EJK here isn't as big as they make it look like. Another thing I believe that he should fix is the economic growth and the flow of investments in the country, as well as the Transportation/Internet in the country. No, it's not about his tirades, but it's about knowing how and who he should negotiate and appoach certain countries through an independent foreign policy.
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by The Republic of Pantalleria » Sat May 20, 2017 2:08 am
Saradena wrote:At this point, I'm becoming more skeptical of Duterte and his actions.
I'm really confused on what he wants to do
by Pasong Tirad » Sat May 20, 2017 2:17 am
Kovacna wrote:The deaths are mostly caused by people who resist arrest: they should know that they should not resist arrest and instead surrender to the police. If they don't surrender, then it is COMPLETELY LEGAL to shoot them in the name of self-defence. I completely support that notion, and no, Duterte isn't responsible for those killings and he cannot and he has no right to apologize for anyone: he can only apologise for himself.
Kovacna wrote:What Duterte SHOULD change, however, is the policy in which policemen are screened. He should focus more on the corrupt policemen who abuse their power, and not on the current "EJK" exaggeration that the opposition keeps on crying about. EJK here isn't as big as they make it look like.
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by Paragos » Sat May 20, 2017 2:39 am
Saradena wrote:At this point, I'm becoming more skeptical of Duterte and his actions.
I'm really confused on what he wants to do
by Kovacna » Sat May 20, 2017 2:52 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Kovacna wrote:The deaths are mostly caused by people who resist arrest: they should know that they should not resist arrest and instead surrender to the police. If they don't surrender, then it is COMPLETELY LEGAL to shoot them in the name of self-defence. I completely support that notion, and no, Duterte isn't responsible for those killings and he cannot and he has no right to apologize for anyone: he can only apologise for himself.
No it isn't.Kovacna wrote:What Duterte SHOULD change, however, is the policy in which policemen are screened. He should focus more on the corrupt policemen who abuse their power, and not on the current "EJK" exaggeration that the opposition keeps on crying about. EJK here isn't as big as they make it look like.
Brad taga saan ka?
by Pasong Tirad » Sat May 20, 2017 3:01 am
by Kovacna » Sat May 20, 2017 3:18 am
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Kovacna wrote:
By positive change I mean change that is beneficial ONLY to the Philippines. That's the only thing that matters: that he serves his country well because Duterte is only answerable to the Filipino people.
"Deepest standards of good and evil?" Don't lecture me about morality and ethics: there is nothing logical with morality unless you talk about a certain actions should be done which would benefit your own country and your own people.
"Hate against the EU?" Negative opinion, that is. The EU needs better leaders, not the Philippines. The EU can't even answer the cultural jihad that's spreading in their nations and they come here lecturing us about "human rights" while they seem to be okay with ithe free movement of pedophile "refugees". Place leaders like Le Pen, Wilders, Farage, Orbán, Hofer and Petry in those EU countries, and not replace Duterte in the Philippines.
The deaths are mostly caused by people who resist arrest: they should know that they should not resist arrest and instead surrender to the police. If they don't surrender, then it is COMPLETELY LEGAL to shoot them in the name of self-defence. I completely support that notion, and no, Duterte isn't responsible for those killings and he cannot and he has no right to apologize for anyone: he can only apologise for himself.
What Duterte SHOULD change, however, is the policy in which policemen are screened. He should focus more on the corrupt policemen who abuse their power, and not on the current "EJK" exaggeration that the opposition keeps on crying about. EJK here isn't as big as they make it look like. Another thing I believe that he should fix is the economic growth and the flow of investments in the country, as well as the Transportation/Internet in the country. No, it's not about his tirades, but it's about knowing how and who he should negotiate and appoach certain countries through an independent foreign policy.
Well it's not as simple as that, the fact remains innocent children have been killed under his encouragement in the form of non-police related extra-judicial killings.
He's also stirred up quite a bit of unrest from the more moderate members of our Islamic citizenry with his disgusting decision to bury the late former dictator in a place that is only reserved for the highest of heroes in our country.
And there's also the fact that terrorist attacks have been literally happening more frequently and in places of greater importance under his Administration relative to the last one, which by your logic with regards to your rebuttle on Europe, would mean that "he should be replaced" as the EU leaders you advocate for replacement too, so you don't actually have a case in that regard.
by Pasong Tirad » Sat May 20, 2017 3:23 am
by Kovacna » Sat May 20, 2017 3:31 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Kovacna wrote:
1. What do you mean no it isn't. What is legal remains legal. Anything bad with that?
2. Taga-Muntinlupa ako brad. Sumusuko ang mga adik tapos nakakarehab kaya di pinapatay.
Murder isn't legal. And that's not exactly true, either. I can see at least 15 names from Muntinlupa in there. "Surrender or die" doesn't sound very legal. Ever hear of, I don't know, not killing people who don't want to go to jail?
by Vulkata II » Sat May 20, 2017 3:36 am
Kovacna wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Murder isn't legal. And that's not exactly true, either. I can see at least 15 names from Muntinlupa in there. "Surrender or die" doesn't sound very legal. Ever hear of, I don't know, not killing people who don't want to go to jail?
1. Murder due to SELF DEFENCE is LEGAL; that's what the policemen are doing.
2. "Surrender or die". People don't get killed for not surrendering; they get killed because they resist arrest and of course the policemen get threatened with such resistance, so they have to defend themselves.
3. Are you trying to use "human rights" as an excuse?
Great Tawil wrote:The thing is I hate fighting. I just wanna draw flags and make friends
by Vulkata II » Sat May 20, 2017 3:37 am
Great Tawil wrote:The thing is I hate fighting. I just wanna draw flags and make friends
by Stormwrath » Sat May 20, 2017 3:40 am
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:Well it's not as simple as that, the fact remains innocent children have been killed under his encouragement in the form of non-police related extra-judicial killings.
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:He's also stirred up quite a bit of unrest from the more moderate members of our Islamic citizenry with his disgusting decision to bury the late former dictator in a place that is only reserved for the highest of heroes in our country.
The Republic of Pantalleria wrote:And there's also the fact that terrorist attacks have been literally happening more frequently and in places of greater importance under his Administration relative to the last one, which by your logic with regards to your rebuttle on Europe, would mean that "he should be replaced" as the EU leaders you advocate for replacement too, so you don't actually have a case in that regard.
Emperio Maharlika wrote:Sure, perhaps his scare tactics worked with drug dealers, but to the more intellectual populace, they lose respect for a man who cusses 24/7 and keeps on presenting this "bravado" personality like he's constantly trying to prove something. See Trump.
Mundiferrum wrote:the problem isn't that he's impolite; the problem is more that he's so blase about death. he's basically inciting us all not just to rail against the establishment, which i don't agree with but isn't necessarily evil, but to rail against the deepest standards of good and evil by which our society is kept sane.
Mundiferrum wrote:hate against the EU? it might lead to economic ruin, which would destroy your point about "committing to positive change", but sure.
Mundiferrum wrote:ignore all incentives to make this current drug war any less murderous, even if he's not directly responsible for all the deaths? might as well be responsible for those deaths, he's supposed to represent this entire nation.
Pasong Tirad wrote:Murder isn't legal. And that's not exactly true, either. I can see at least 15 names from Muntinlupa in there. "Surrender or die" doesn't sound very legal. Ever hear of, I don't know, not killing people who don't want to go to jail?
by Pasong Tirad » Sat May 20, 2017 3:54 am
Stormwrath wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Murder isn't legal. And that's not exactly true, either. I can see at least 15 names from Muntinlupa in there. "Surrender or die" doesn't sound very legal. Ever hear of, I don't know, not killing people who don't want to go to jail?
Murder is defined as the unlawful killing of a human person, correct? If a policeman kills a criminal in self-defense, it's not murder because it is in performance of duty and it is what policemen have been trained to do in the face of imminent death by the actions of the criminal. Therefore killing a criminal in self-defense is lawful.
Also, many criminals don't want to go to jail. Should we just leave them be then?
Kovacna wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Murder isn't legal. And that's not exactly true, either. I can see at least 15 names from Muntinlupa in there. "Surrender or die" doesn't sound very legal. Ever hear of, I don't know, not killing people who don't want to go to jail?
1. Murder due to SELF DEFENCE is LEGAL; that's what the policemen are doing.
2. "Surrender or die". People don't get killed for not surrendering; they get killed because they resist arrest and of course the policemen get threatened with such resistance, so they have to defend themselves.
3. Are you trying to use "human rights" as an excuse?
by Vulkata II » Sat May 20, 2017 3:59 am
Great Tawil wrote:The thing is I hate fighting. I just wanna draw flags and make friends
by Kovacna » Sat May 20, 2017 4:14 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:Human rights is absolute. Murder due to self defense is legal, but that's not what's happening. People get killed because of quotas that need to be reached, financial incentives and the like.
by Pasong Tirad » Sat May 20, 2017 4:16 am
Kovacna wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Human rights is absolute. Murder due to self defense is legal, but that's not what's happening. People get killed because of quotas that need to be reached, financial incentives and the like.
Now THIS kind of quota killings are the ones that have to be solved, not the ones done in the name of self-defence. Bringing up "human rights" and "extrajudicial killings" without specifically stating your subject of concern is just stupid; the word "human rights" is beginning to lose its original meaning wherein it's becoming a negative connotation of people who overreact towards the use of force to maintain stability.
by Vulkata II » Sat May 20, 2017 4:29 am
Kovacna wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:Human rights is absolute. Murder due to self defense is legal, but that's not what's happening. People get killed because of quotas that need to be reached, financial incentives and the like.
Now THIS kind of quota killings are the ones that have to be solved, not the ones done in the name of self-defence. Bringing up "human rights" and "extrajudicial killings" without specifically stating your subject of concern is just stupid; the word "human rights" is beginning to lose its original meaning wherein it's becoming a negative connotation of people who overreact towards the use of force to maintain stability.
Great Tawil wrote:The thing is I hate fighting. I just wanna draw flags and make friends
by Kovacna » Sat May 20, 2017 5:15 am
Pasong Tirad wrote:You mean we shouldn't react negatively when we're being coerced into submission? Man, I do not understand how your brain works.
by Pasong Tirad » Sat May 20, 2017 5:31 am
Kovacna wrote:Pasong Tirad wrote:You mean we shouldn't react negatively when we're being coerced into submission? Man, I do not understand how your brain works.
Do you think I care about people being coerced into submission? Even I don't. I prefer a stable government with a strictly diciplined citizenry than an unstable and democratic government.
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