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Drexel professor "ironically" promotes 'white genocide'

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What are your thoughts on this?

George Ciccariello should be charged with hate speech.
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While the professor has a right to free speech, Drexel university can and should drop its association with Ciccariello.
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I am unsure/neutral on how Drexel university responds.
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There is nothing wrong with Ciccariello's tweets, and I support him fully.
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As an advocate of white genocide myself, I am angered that Ciccariello only supports abolishing the white race ironically.
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Postby Marispatria » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:54 pm

If you want to make a point about a touchy subject like race, then I couldn't think of a worse medium for it than Twitter. All of your "clever" and "ironic" statements can very easily be taken entirely out of context.

Once more, arrogant middle-class liberals end up shooting themselves in the foot.

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Postby The Princes of the Universe » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:55 pm

Geilinor wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:You reap what you sow.

What did the children sow that got them killed?

According to SJWs like MERIZoC, being phenotypically white is enough to justify being cut down in any circumstance whatsoever.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:55 pm

I say that Drexel has the right to punish for the statements, trolling or no. There are some things you don't say on a public social media account, you know. Especially Twitter; 140 characters gives no room for self-contained context.
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Postby Nilla Wayfarers » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:57 pm

I picked the joke option before realizing the OP didn't enable vote switching :unsure:
But in all honesty, he's entitled to say this, I think. I don't really get how he thinks it's funny or ironic, and I think it would be best for the university to effectively disown this Professor, but I don't see it as legally actionable.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:58 pm

Geilinor wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:You reap what you sow.

What did the children sow that got them killed?

It's groups as a whole. Nonetheless, I'm uninterested in debating the actions of slaves fighting for freedom over a hundred years ago. Ciccariello-Maher has full rights to academic freedom.

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Postby Geilinor » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:59 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What did the children sow that got them killed?

It's groups as a whole. Nonetheless, I'm uninterested in debating the actions of slaves fighting for freedom over a hundred years ago. Ciccariello-Maher has full rights to academic freedom.

So you believe in collective punishment? You aren't defending Ciccariello-Maher's academic freedom. You're defending his comments themselves.
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Postby Hydesland » Tue Dec 27, 2016 2:59 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Anyone with half a brain can realize that this was a joke to mock the made up concept of "white genocide".


That still doesn't explain the Haiti tweet, and if that was a joke it was a shit one in incredibly poor taste. But it's really not clear it is a joke, he's a radical revolutionary communist, who in his own words supports 'brutal' communism, why would he be joking about what happened in Haiti?

But hey, that's not all. Let's talk about academic freedom for a second, eh?


Why is trolling on twitter classed as academic freedom?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:00 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What did the children sow that got them killed?

It's groups as a whole. Nonetheless, I'm uninterested in debating the actions of slaves fighting for freedom over a hundred years ago. Ciccariello-Maher has full rights to academic freedom.

Yes yes acedemic freedom, but the man did post on twitter that a genocide was a good thing. He shouldn't be prosecuted, but surely you agree that's in horrible taste for a professor to say on a public forum.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:00 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What did the children sow that got them killed?

It's groups as a whole. Nonetheless, I'm uninterested in debating the actions of slaves fighting for freedom over a hundred years ago. Ciccariello-Maher has full rights to academic freedom.


So the Jews deserved what the Nazis did? Always good to know where people stand on genocide. :roll:
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Postby Hydesland » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:00 pm

MERIZoC wrote:You reap what you sow.


I thought you said he was joking, now you're trying to justify the massacre?

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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:02 pm

Hydesland wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Anyone with half a brain can realize that this was a joke to mock the made up concept of "white genocide".


That still doesn't explain the Haiti tweet, and if that was a joke it was a shit one in incredibly poor taste. But it's really not clear it is a joke, he's a radical revolutionary communist, who in his own words supports 'brutal' communism, why would he joking about what happened in Haiti?

But hey, that's not all. Let's talk about academic freedom for a second, eh?


Why is trolling on twitter classed as academic freedom?

Why is trolling grounds for anyone's outrage? It's quite clearly a joke so why get all fussed up.

If you think the Haiti one wasn't a joke, then it falls under the academic freedom purview. Would there be mass moral outrage if someone said that Genghis Khan's conquests were good? No, of course not, even though he did bad stuff.

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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:03 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:It's groups as a whole. Nonetheless, I'm uninterested in debating the actions of slaves fighting for freedom over a hundred years ago. Ciccariello-Maher has full rights to academic freedom.


So the Jews deserved what the Nazis did? Always good to know where people stand on genocide. :roll:

Totally not racist to compare slaves to nazis.

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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:03 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:It's groups as a whole. Nonetheless, I'm uninterested in debating the actions of slaves fighting for freedom over a hundred years ago. Ciccariello-Maher has full rights to academic freedom.

Yes yes acedemic freedom, but the man did post on twitter that a genocide was a good thing. He shouldn't be prosecuted, but surely you agree that's in horrible taste for a professor to say on a public forum.

Except he didnt say that lol

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:04 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
So the Jews deserved what the Nazis did? Always good to know where people stand on genocide. :roll:

Totally not racist to compare slaves to nazis.


Genocide is genocide, there is no justification.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:05 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yes yes acedemic freedom, but the man did post on twitter that a genocide was a good thing. He shouldn't be prosecuted, but surely you agree that's in horrible taste for a professor to say on a public forum.

Except he didnt say that lol

Read the orginal tweet. He said it was good they massacred people. That's literally as close you can get to saying genocide is good without the word genocide
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:06 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Totally not racist to compare slaves to nazis.


Genocide is genocide, there is no justification.

Always nice to see where people stand on slavery.

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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:06 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Except he didnt say that lol

Read the orginal tweet. He said it was good they massacred people. That's literally as close you can get to saying genocide is good without the word genocide

I fail to see how "this particular massacre was good" is the same as "genocide was a good thing"

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:06 pm

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Except this cat has the ability to fractionally effect the GPA of a handful of students at a specific college...I mean, can you imagine?


If your kid went to drexel, it would be a pretty big deal.

Fire his ass, and let's all move on.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:07 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Read the orginal tweet. He said it was good they massacred people. That's literally as close you can get to saying genocide is good without the word genocide

I fail to see how "this particular massacre was good" is the same as "genocide was a good thing"

Because that particular massacre was a genocide
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:08 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Except this cat has the ability to fractionally effect the GPA of a handful of students at a specific college...I mean, can you imagine?


If your kid went to drexel, it would be a pretty big deal.

Fire his ass, and let's all move on.

Poor kiddies cant handle different opinions.

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:08 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
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Genocide is genocide, there is no justification.

Always nice to see where people stand on slavery.


and when did I say I support slavery? Unlike you, who openly justified genocide.
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Postby Hydesland » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:09 pm

MERIZoC wrote:Why is trolling grounds for anyone's outrage? It's quite clearly a joke so why get all fussed up.


It being a joke doesn't excuse being a shitty person. This sort of toxic rhetoric is enormously unhelpful, and gives the alt right ammunition, as well as genuinely being, yes, mildly offensive.

Would there be mass moral outrage if someone said that Genghis Khan's conquests were good?


If someone said specifically that when specifically a specific ethnic group was massacred, that that was a "good thing" - yes there would be outrage.
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Postby Balkenreich » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:11 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well it started as that but it got rather....genocidy. Rounding people up, killing children, that sorta stuff. Not every white person on the island was a slave owner

You reap what you sow.


bet you would be on the opposite side of the fence if you were one of those frenchmen that were killed.

Or would you have gladly died because "muh kill the oppresher" attitude?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:12 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
If your kid went to drexel, it would be a pretty big deal.

Fire his ass, and let's all move on.

Poor kiddies cant handle different opinions.

Poor kiddies have a right to be taught history by someone who is competent. Presenting rhe Haitian massacre as a good thing is incompentent. Explaining why it happened would be professional.
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