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by The Romulan Republic » Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:45 am
by Genivaria » Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:46 am
The Romulan Republic wrote:Yes, banning the swastika is unambiguously discrimination. Even if you feel it is justified discrimination, it is still discrimination, by definition. Of course, the Nazi Swastika has a particular appearance that is not the same as all other version of the Swastika, so perhaps it is not religious discrimination to ban the Nazi swastika specifically. But a general swastika ban is absolutely religious discrimination. The symbol predates the Nazis, and banning other uses of it is to me a surrender to the Nahttps://forum.nationstates.net/postin ... 734019#zis, allowing them to claim a symbol that is not their's as their own.
It is also a rather bitter irony that in the righteous cause of opposing the bigoted tyranny of the Nazis, we ourselves engage in discrimination against religious minorities.
by Luminesa » Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:50 am
by Southerly Gentleman » Sun Dec 25, 2016 11:51 am
by Dilordaopia » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:01 pm
Southerly Gentleman wrote:Regardless, it's an infringement upon freedom of expression, therefore its ban is wrong
by Chricoma » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:07 pm
by The Romulan Republic » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:16 pm
Genivaria wrote:The Romulan Republic wrote:Yes, banning the swastika is unambiguously discrimination. Even if you feel it is justified discrimination, it is still discrimination, by definition. Of course, the Nazi Swastika has a particular appearance that is not the same as all other version of the Swastika, so perhaps it is not religious discrimination to ban the Nazi swastika specifically. But a general swastika ban is absolutely religious discrimination. The symbol predates the Nazis, and banning other uses of it is to me a surrender to the Nahttps://forum.nationstates.net/postin ... 734019#zis, allowing them to claim a symbol that is not their's as their own.
It is also a rather bitter irony that in the righteous cause of opposing the bigoted tyranny of the Nazis, we ourselves engage in discrimination against religious minorities.
Which isn't happening.
by Luminesa » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:27 pm
Chricoma wrote:Me personally I support the Nazis in some things but i'm not gonna go into that because I have had the mods on me too many times now and I like this game, but the swastika is a symbol used by Hindus and Budhists the Nazis did not create it
by Aclion » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:37 pm
Rhomaia wrote:Oh, hell, how many damn times has this come up? It doesn't matter if it was once a symbol of peace, after it's been warped into something so hateful and irrevocably associated with the Nazis people tend to take offense to it. You know, what with 6 million dead because of it. But hey, that's just me.
by Aelex » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:46 pm
by Valystria » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:54 pm
by Zombie Swarms » Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:55 pm
Valystria wrote:You can tell it's a totalitarian ideology or religion when it arbitrarily bans symbols.
Some news: After a long campaign in Afghanistan, its troops finally surrender to the zombies/Zombies rejoice in the streetsTheme
by The Plonks » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:02 pm
Valystria wrote:You can tell it's a totalitarian ideology or religion when it arbitrarily bans symbols.
by Aclion » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:17 pm
The Plonks wrote:Valystria wrote:You can tell it's a totalitarian ideology or religion when it arbitrarily bans symbols.
It's not arbitrary, it was banned because it is offensive to many people and was used by Nazis as a symbol of hate and racism.
Though, I think it should not be banned. It was, and is still being used by many other people as a symbol of good fortune and peace. Just because it was hijacked by Nazis and used by them for 2 decades does not mean that we should ban it. If anything, encourage the use of the Buddhist swastika and teach people about the symbol's origins.
by Thermodolia » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:24 pm
Aclion wrote:The Plonks wrote:
It's not arbitrary, it was banned because it is offensive to many people and was used by Nazis as a symbol of hate and racism.
Though, I think it should not be banned. It was, and is still being used by many other people as a symbol of good fortune and peace. Just because it was hijacked by Nazis and used by them for 2 decades does not mean that we should ban it. If anything, encourage the use of the Buddhist swastika and teach people about the symbol's origins.
It is arbitrary. Because many other symbols used in the same way are not banned. The swastika was banned because the literally billions of people who use the symbol peacefully were not Europeans, and therefore had no value.
by Genivaria » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:54 pm
Aelex wrote:
To be fair, the Byzantines only called for the Croisades and didn't participated in them. The Croisades themselves being a mere response to the holy wars the Muslims waged against Christians.
by Neanderthaland » Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:57 pm
Aelex wrote:
To be fair, the Byzantines only called for the Croisades and didn't participated in them. The Croisades themselves being a mere response to the holy wars the Muslims waged against Christians.
by Nationalist Gold Union » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:03 pm
Rhomaia wrote:Oh, hell, how many damn times has this come up? It doesn't matter if it was once a symbol of peace, after it's been warped into something so hateful and irrevocably associated with the Nazis people tend to take offense to it. You know, what with 6 million dead because of it. But hey, that's just me.
by Genivaria » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:04 pm
Neanderthaland wrote:Aelex wrote:To be fair, the Byzantines only called for the Croisades and didn't participated in them. The Croisades themselves being a mere response to the holy wars the Muslims waged against Christians.
Any Medieval Historian worth the title will tell you that what the Byzantines were asking for were a few well-trained mercenaries, and not a Crusade.
They were very irritated with the response they got.
by Risottia » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:06 pm
Dilordaopia wrote:Welp, governments easily go full retard. Germany and Austria banned the Swastika after WW2, but this has never been complained about by anyone. Why? Because it seems that all the religions that use it are irrelevant.
by Dilordaopia » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:16 pm
Nationalist Gold Union wrote:Rhomaia wrote:Oh, hell, how many damn times has this come up? It doesn't matter if it was once a symbol of peace, after it's been warped into something so hateful and irrevocably associated with the Nazis people tend to take offense to it. You know, what with 6 million dead because of it. But hey, that's just me.
The Nazis didn't only kill 6 million Jews. There were anywhere between 15 to 30 million victims of the Nazi regime.
by USS Monitor » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:16 pm
The Romulan Republic wrote:It is also a rather bitter irony that in the righteous cause of opposing the bigoted tyranny of the Nazis, we ourselves engage in discrimination against religious minorities.
by Dilordaopia » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:18 pm
Risottia wrote:Dilordaopia wrote:Welp, governments easily go full retard. Germany and Austria banned the Swastika after WW2, but this has never been complained about by anyone. Why? Because it seems that all the religions that use it are irrelevant.
Yes, guess what, in Europe the Nazi-Fascist genocides and aggression wars are much more relevant than the use of swastikas by religions. Curious, innit?
by Dilordaopia » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:24 pm
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