Banning the swastika = religious discrimination?

[Greed and Death]

Oh, hell, how many damn times has this come up? It doesn't matter if it was once a symbol of peace, after it's been warped into something so hateful and irrevocably associated with the Nazis people tend to take offense to it. You know, what with 6 million dead because of it. But hey, that's just me.

More than half the world lives in this circle


And in this circle the swastika is a religious symbol first. Yes they understand it is also a symbol of the nazis in the same manner that you understand it is also a religious symbol.

[Len Hyet]

It's almost like context matters or something

Weird

[ChicagoBoys]

Banning the swastika is just idiotic and wrong. This site is forced to ban it, yet other hate symbols are allowed by the same governments so we get to deal with that mess. The swastika shouldn't be banned anywhere and neither should Holocaust "denial".

[Lady Scylla]

Banning the swastika is just idiotic and wrong. This site is forced to ban it, yet other hate symbols are allowed by the same governments so we get to deal with that mess. The swastika shouldn't be banned anywhere and neither should Holocaust "denial".

Actually, Max, the owner of this site, banned the swastika here. It's not enforced by a government, he just doesn't want it on the site.

[Thermodolia]

Banning the swastika is just idiotic and wrong. This site is forced to ban it, yet other hate symbols are allowed by the same governments so we get to deal with that mess. The swastika shouldn't be banned anywhere and neither should Holocaust "denial".

The site isn't forced to ban it, the servers are based in the US and Canada both of those nations do not ban the swastika. However because free speech doesn't extend to the internet this site chooses to ban the swastika, when it is clearly tied to a Nazi nation

[The Portland Territory]

Well, this issue is kinda complicated. But not really, at the same time

There are many different variants of the Swastika, and those are not used for hateful purposes ike the variant the Nazis used. So a government ban on those ones is kinda bullshit, given that they dont relate to the Nazi version

Me on the other hand though, I dont think there should be a ban on the swastika, all types, at all. Violation of free speech

[ChicagoBoys]

Banning the swastika is just idiotic and wrong. This site is forced to ban it, yet other hate symbols are allowed by the same governments so we get to deal with that mess. The swastika shouldn't be banned anywhere and neither should Holocaust "denial".

Actually, Max, the owner of this site, banned the swastika here. It's not enforced by a government, he just doesn't want it on the site.

The site has to comply with laws in order to avoid being blocked. I got yelled at by mods because an Italian "yes" voter claimed my campaigning violated electoral law there. It's totally up to the site, yes, but in order to keep their site accessible they do have to comply with laws like the swastika ban

[Zombie Swarms]

Let's just hope, that government will become smarter in RL.

[Thermodolia]

Actually, Max, the owner of this site, banned the swastika here. It's not enforced by a government, he just doesn't want it on the site.

The site has to comply with laws in order to avoid being blocked. I got yelled at by mods because an Italian "yes" voter claimed my campaigning violated electoral law there. It's totally up to the site, yes, but in order to keep their site accessible they do have to comply with laws like the swastika ban

No it did not

[ChicagoBoys]

The site has to comply with laws in order to avoid being blocked. I got yelled at by mods because an Italian "yes" voter claimed my campaigning violated electoral law there. It's totally up to the site, yes, but in order to keep their site accessible they do have to comply with laws like the swastika ban

No it did not

Yeah, it kinda did. Source it otherwise because you are 100% wrong

[Greed and Death]

Banning the swastika is just idiotic and wrong. This site is forced to ban it, yet other hate symbols are allowed by the same governments so we get to deal with that mess. The swastika shouldn't be banned anywhere and neither should Holocaust "denial".

Actually, Max, the owner of this site, banned the swastika here. It's not enforced by a government, he just doesn't want it on the site.

The site is private property of Max. No one is talking about bringing the swastikas into the homes of holocaust survivors or into Synagogues.

[HMS Vanguard]

Oh, hell, how many damn times has this come up? It doesn't matter if it was once a symbol of peace, after it's been warped into something so hateful and irrevocably associated with the Nazis people tend to take offense to it. You know, what with 6 million dead because of it. But hey, that's just me.

More than half the world lives in this circle


And in this circle the swastika is a religious symbol first. Yes they understand it is also a symbol of the nazis in the same manner that you understand it is also a religious symbol.

The swastika isn't a religious symbol as such.

It is a cultural symbol of the ancient Aryans, who conquered India. Hinduism is the religion of the ancient Aryans. Buddhism is a Hindu heresy.

The swastika used in Asia, with "religious" significance in the same was Christmas is a "religious" holiday, is very much the same swastika, with the same connotations, as that used by the Nazis.

[Thermodolia]

No it did not

Yeah, it kinda did. Source it otherwise because you are 100% wrong

In relation to the swastika ban they did not. Stormfront website isn't banned in Germany and they use the swastika.
How about you take a page out the, "if you don't like it go somewhere else" idea and if you really want to use the swastika go to a site that allows it.

[Lady Scylla]

Actually, Max, the owner of this site, banned the swastika here. It's not enforced by a government, he just doesn't want it on the site.

The site has to comply with laws in order to avoid being blocked. I got yelled at by mods because an Italian "yes" voter claimed my campaigning violated electoral law there. It's totally up to the site, yes, but in order to keep their site accessible they do have to comply with laws like the swastika ban

Doesn't apply to the net, and where servers are hosted, there is no ban. You're just complaining.

In fact, looking over your history, you have problems with Moderation consistently.

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So, if you've a problem with Moderation, this thread is not the place to bring up your grievances, address them via the Moderation forum or GHR. We're not here to listen to your bitching.

[Dilordaopia]

It's almost like context matters or something

Weird

It does.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No. It doesn't say the word thoughts.

Even if it did who cares? Nazis suck.

Be that as it may, and I've never disputed it, my point was that there is no substantive difference between a Hindu swastika and a Nazi swastika, that both are the same swastika, that of the pre-historic Aryans.

Really?

[Dilordaopia]

More than half the world lives in this circle


And in this circle the swastika is a religious symbol first. Yes they understand it is also a symbol of the nazis in the same manner that you understand it is also a religious symbol.

The swastika isn't a religious symbol as such.

It is a cultural symbol of the ancient Aryans, who conquered India. Hinduism is the religion of the ancient Aryans. Buddhism is a Hindu heresy.

The swastika used in Asia, with "religious" significance in the same was Christmas is a "religious" holiday, is very much the same swastika, with the same connotations, as that used by the Nazis.

[HMS Vanguard]

Be that as it may, and I've never disputed it, my point was that there is no substantive difference between a Hindu swastika and a Nazi swastika, that both are the same swastika, that of the pre-historic Aryans.

Really?

[Genivaria]

Really?

And where in Germany is this?

[HMS Vanguard]

And where in Germany is this?

That is a Hindu temple. The swastikas on it are exactly the same as Nazi swastikas.

This whole line of attack is bizarre. The Nazis' intent in adopting the swastika was to establish a connection to the pre-historic Aryans. The Nazis already knew that Hinduism was pre-historic Aryan religion, and they already knew what Hindu swastikas looked like. Why would it be any surprise that they look identical?

[Genivaria]

And where in Germany is this?

That is a Hindu temple. The swastikas on it are exactly the same as Nazi swastikas.

This whole line of attack is bizarre. The Nazis' intent in adopting the swastika was to establish a connection to the pre-historic Aryans. The Nazis already knew that Hinduism was pre-historic Aryan religion, and they already knew what Hindu swastikas looked like. Why would it be any surprise that they look identical?

You might not have processed what I said, where in Germany is this?

[Geilinor]

That's a subjective question.

It sounds rather a lot like Brazil outlaws being a Nazi in public, not particular symbols. What makes you a criminal is the thoughts in your mind, not your actions as such.

No.

"To manufacture, commercialize, distribute or transport symbols, emblems, ornaments, badges or advertisements that use the swastika or swastika, for the purpose of spreading Nazism" is stopping people from making nazi Swastikas.

Exactly. The law only bans swastikas that are used "for the purpose of spreading Nazism". The intent of spreading Nazism is required for it to be illegal. That is a fair compromise and no form of discrimination.

[HMS Vanguard]

That is a Hindu temple. The swastikas on it are exactly the same as Nazi swastikas.

This whole line of attack is bizarre. The Nazis' intent in adopting the swastika was to establish a connection to the pre-historic Aryans. The Nazis already knew that Hinduism was pre-historic Aryan religion, and they already knew what Hindu swastikas looked like. Why would it be any surprise that they look identical?

You might not have processed what I said, where in Germany is this?

Nowhere, idiot.

[Genivaria]

You might not have processed what I said, where in Germany is this?

Nowhere, idiot.

Okay so not relevant to the discussion.

[Farnhamia]

You might not have processed what I said, where in Germany is this?

Nowhere, idiot.

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