US passes UN vote banning Israeli settlements

[Renewed]

If the majority of the Gaza Palestinians support it then Hamas wouldn't be in power (Hamas is a clear rejector of any peace proposal with Israel). Netanyahu has expressed that Israel would accept the proposal but if changes are made to the proposal (Various Israeli officials have stated that the acceptance of the current proposal is the death of modern state of Israel) such as not restoring the 1967 borders and leaving the Golan heights.

So one can assume that the roadblock to peace is a territorial dispute that still exists from 50 years before.

Hamas isn't just about "fuck Israel". They flood a lot of money into social healthcare and schooling. Not exactly sustainable economics, but there'd be even shittier schools, construction and hospitals if they weren't in power.

Schools for teaching hatred of Jews

[Aelex]

Hamas isn't just about "fuck Israel". They flood a lot of money into social healthcare and schooling. Not exactly sustainable economics, but there'd be even shittier schools, construction and hospitals if they weren't in power.

Would sound better if they didn't then tried to use said schools and hospitals as human shields. :^)

[Uxupox]

If the majority of the Gaza Palestinians support it then Hamas wouldn't be in power (Hamas is a clear rejector of any peace proposal with Israel). Netanyahu has expressed that Israel would accept the proposal but if changes are made to the proposal (Various Israeli officials have stated that the acceptance of the current proposal is the death of modern state of Israel) such as not restoring the 1967 borders and leaving the Golan heights.

So one can assume that the roadblock to peace is a territorial dispute that still exists from 50 years before.

Hamas isn't just about "fuck Israel". They flood a lot of money into social healthcare and schooling. Not exactly sustainable economics, but there'd be even shittier schools, construction and hospitals if they weren't in power.

The Taliban also funds schools and hospitals but I don't see them being treated "nicely" until their complete destruction.

[Renewed]

Hamas isn't just about "fuck Israel". They flood a lot of money into social healthcare and schooling. Not exactly sustainable economics, but there'd be even shittier schools, construction and hospitals if they weren't in power.

Would sound better if they didn't then tried to use said schools and hospitals as human shields. :^)

Savage! Nice one...

[Imperializt Russia]

The Soviet Union fell, Kashmir is disputed to this day, and we're honestly unsure if the west will have to fight a war in Eastern Europe over that last one.

None of them are accepted by the international community.

Why doesn't the UN have resoultions on that then?

Russia has a veto and always has done, and would usually be backed by China, which also has a veto. There's 1 and 3.

Kashmir is recognised as the oldest territorial dispute in the UN (yes, even older than the Falklands! Only because that must have been brought later, somehow). It is one of the first resolutions passed, Resolution 47 dated 1948.

China is also militarily involved in the Kashmir dispute, and presumably uses its veto there as well to prevent measures that would not be in its favour.

[Imperializt Russia]

Hamas isn't just about "fuck Israel". They flood a lot of money into social healthcare and schooling. Not exactly sustainable economics, but there'd be even shittier schools, construction and hospitals if they weren't in power.

The Taliban also funds schools and hospitals but I don't see them being treated "nicely" until their complete destruction.

Pretty sure the Taliban is unquestionably worse than Hamas, unless they're worse solely for the reason that Israelis are kind of white, and that means they hurt white people.

[Gondolaulus]

The majority of the Gaza Palestinians support it, even the Gaza Authority. However, it's Netanyahu and Hamas cockblocking the initiative.

If the majority of the Gaza Palestinians support it then Hamas wouldn't be in power (Hamas is a clear rejector of any peace proposal with Israel). Netanyahu has expressed that Israel would accept the proposal but if changes are made to the proposal (Various Israeli officials have stated that the acceptance of the current proposal is the death of modern state of Israel) such as not restoring the 1967 borders and leaving the Golan heights.

So one can assume that the roadblock to peace is a territorial dispute that still exists from 50 years before.

No not really.

First of all one does not necessarily have to support a certain party 100% if one votes for a certain party.
Secondly check this source.

Nearly 60 percent of both Israeli Jews and Palestinians said they were against the permanent status agreement they were presented based on previous Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, according to the joint poll by leading Israeli and Palestinian think tanks. But about a quarter of those opposed would reconsider if the deal were part of a broader regional peace based on the Arab Peace Initiative.

So ~45% is against a peace proposal based on the Arab Peace Initiative.

Do mind that the Gaza war and other recent incursions did change the mind of most Israelis/Palestinians. So the longer peace, the more ready for a longer peace ones are.

[Aelex]

Pretty sure the Taliban is unquestionably worse than Hamas, unless they're worse solely for the reason that Israelis are kind of white, and that means they hurt white people.

Why so eager to try to bring race in the mix when no one even hinted at it? You're sounding like the racist one, my friend. :^)

[Imperializt Russia]

There wouldn't be continual expansion of the territories, if there weren't people queuing up to live in it.

Nope. What fuels the settlement movement is ideological passion and a place among those in charge. Most Israelis would rather not live in a war zone surrounded by Arabs. These aren't guesses - I know my own society.

And yet, people keep moving into the occupied territories.

It doesn't matter if "lots don't". Some do. They're there, with their... orange groves, or whatever. They are moving into these new developments, fuelling the expansion of more.

[Imperializt Russia]

Pretty sure the Taliban is unquestionably worse than Hamas, unless they're worse solely for the reason that Israelis are kind of white, and that means they hurt white people.

Why so eager to try to bring race in the mix when no one even hinted at it? You're sounding like the racist one, my friend. :^)

Kindly describe how, and see if you can find a way of doing it that isn't "you mentioned the possibility of socially-constructed races existing".

[Uxupox]

The Taliban also funds schools and hospitals but I don't see them being treated "nicely" until their complete destruction.

Pretty sure the Taliban is unquestionably worse than Hamas, unless they're worse solely for the reason that Israelis are kind of white, and that means they hurt white people.

They are both trash organization that should have never existed in the first place but Hamas asks for the complete destruction (And all its inhabitants) while the Taliban has no mentions of such.

[Renewed]

Nope. What fuels the settlement movement is ideological passion and a place among those in charge. Most Israelis would rather not live in a war zone surrounded by Arabs. These aren't guesses - I know my own society.

And yet, people keep moving into the occupied territories.

It doesn't matter if "lots don't". Some do. They're there, with their... orange groves, or whatever. They are moving into these new developments, fuelling the expansion of more.

the Jews are coming back because of increasing anti-semitism in the places they live in.

[Ostehaar]

Nope. What fuels the settlement movement is ideological passion and a place among those in charge. Most Israelis would rather not live in a war zone surrounded by Arabs. These aren't guesses - I know my own society.

And yet, people keep moving into the occupied territories.

It doesn't matter if "lots don't". Some do. They're there, with their... orange groves, or whatever. They are moving into these new developments, fuelling the expansion of more.

Ugh, but my point was as a response to the impossible "continuing expansion without an end" story. That simply can't happen.

[Aelex]

Kindly describe how, and see if you can find a way of doing it that isn't "you mentioned the possibility of socially-constructed races existing".

You're saying the only reason people deem Hamas as worse or as bad as the talibans is because Israelis are, to quote your own words, "kinda whites".
If that doesn't sounds racist to you, then what does? :^)

[Philjia]

Pretty sure the Taliban is unquestionably worse than Hamas, unless they're worse solely for the reason that Israelis are kind of white, and that means they hurt white people.

Why so eager to try to bring race in the mix when no one even hinted at it? You're sounding like the racist one, my friend. :^)

Hamas's policy line is that the Israelis don't belong in/should not have control of the area and that they should be murdered until they leave/cede power. The Taliban's line is that if anybody goes counter to their interpretation of Islam they should be shot. The latter is rather worse than the former.

[Aelex]

Why so eager to try to bring race in the mix when no one even hinted at it? You're sounding like the racist one, my friend. :^)

Hamas's policy line is that the Israelis don't belong in/should not have control of the area and that they should be murdered until they leave/cede power. The Taliban's line is that if anybody goes counter to their interpretation of Islam they should be shot. The latter is rather worse than the former.

Hamas advocated for Genocide of the jews. The only difference between the two of them is that the Talibans had the power to actually put in place their fucked up program.

[Gondolaulus]

And yet, people keep moving into the occupied territories.

It doesn't matter if "lots don't". Some do. They're there, with their... orange groves, or whatever. They are moving into these new developments, fuelling the expansion of more.

the Jews are coming back because of increasing anti-semitism in the places they live in.

So they move into the West Bank to fuel more hate?

Got it.

[Uxupox]

Why so eager to try to bring race in the mix when no one even hinted at it? You're sounding like the racist one, my friend. :^)

Hamas's policy line is that the Israelis don't belong in/should not have control of the area and that they should be murdered until they leave/cede power. The Taliban's line is that if anybody goes counter to their interpretation of Islam they should be shot. The latter is rather worse than the former.

Not really. They didn't interfere in the rural areas of Afghanistan but if you were in the cities then yea you were pretty fucked. Both are trash organizations.

[Ostehaar]

the Jews are coming back because of increasing anti-semitism in the places they live in.

So they move into the West Bank to fuel more hate?

Got it.

Why are listening to a person who clearly has no idea what is actually happening in the West Bank?

[Imperializt Russia]

Kindly describe how, and see if you can find a way of doing it that isn't "you mentioned the possibility of socially-constructed races existing".

You're saying the only reason people deem Hamas as worse or as bad as the talibans is because Israelis are, to quote your own words, "kinda whites".
If that doesn't sounds racist to you, then what does? :^)

Those aren't the words I said, funnily enough.

It was a sarcastic question as to why "but the Talibs" was a response.

[Gondolaulus]

So they move into the West Bank to fuel more hate?

Got it.

Why are listening to a person who clearly has no idea what is actually happening in the West Bank?

To whom are you referring?

[Ostehaar]

Why are listening to a person who clearly has no idea what is actually happening in the West Bank?

To whom are you referring?

Renewed.

[Imperializt Russia]

So they move into the West Bank to fuel more hate?

Got it.

Why are listening to a person who clearly has no idea what is actually happening in the West Bank?

Why should we believe that you do?

[Imperializt Russia]

Hamas's policy line is that the Israelis don't belong in/should not have control of the area and that they should be murdered until they leave/cede power. The Taliban's line is that if anybody goes counter to their interpretation of Islam they should be shot. The latter is rather worse than the former.

Not really. They didn't interfere in the rural areas of Afghanistan but if you were in the cities then yea you were pretty fucked. Both are trash organizations.

They didn't interfere in the rural areas, because these areas already mostly subscribed to tenets of their ideology and probably supplied large numbers of native fighters. They were largely peasant tribes.
Or were otherwise economically useful, ie the poppy farmers.

[Renewed]

To whom are you referring?

Renewed.

really?