Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's un-Islamic to make non-Muslims live under Islamic law. They live under their own religion's laws or secular law if they don't adhere to a religion, or if their religion doesn't have any laws of its own.

I said "Islamic law" not "Iranian law"



No

Prove it

I said "Islamic law" not "Iranian law"

That's adorable.
I wonder what your take on Saudi Arabian law is.

No law requires all citizens to be Muslim, but non-Muslims and many foreign and Saudi Muslims whose beliefs are deemed not to conform with the government’s interpretation of Islam must practice their religion in private and are vulnerable to discrimination, harassment, detention, and, for noncitizens, deportation.[2] Children born to Muslim fathers are by law deemed Muslim, and conversion from Islam to another religion is considered apostasy and punishable by death.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_o ... udi_Arabia

Again, we're talking about Islamic law, not Saudi Arabian law

[Genivaria]

That's adorable.
I wonder what your take on Saudi Arabian law is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_o ... udi_Arabia

Again, we're talking about Islamic law, not Saudi Arabian law

Hahahaha! So the two most infamous Islamic theocratic nations don't practice Islamic law?
Pull the other one.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Again, we're talking about Islamic law, not Saudi Arabian law

Hahahaha! So the two most infamous Islamic theocratic nations don't practice Islamic law?
Pull the other one.

That's basic knowledge.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Also why the fuck are you whiping people for being drunk, having sex, or being a witness.

1: Because it's a part of Al-Islam

It's not a part worth keeping.

[Jolthig]

Hahahaha! So the two most infamous Islamic theocratic nations don't practice Islamic law?
Pull the other one.

That's basic knowledge.

Brother, this Genivaria guy loves to put words in people's mouths. He has no real arguments. He just likes to ridicule and waste your time. Just like he did when I was trying to explain the concept of God to him in another thread, but he accused me of cobtradicting myself and ridiculed my arguments. This man has no good arguments. Only ridicules

[Jolthig]

Pretty much every Muslim majority nation in existence. Non of them are very tolerant of Christianity, let alone the Jews.

http://www.constitution.org/cons/medina/macharter.htm:
"Those Jews who follow the Believers will be helped and will be treated with equality. (Social, legal and economic equality is promised to all loyal citizens of the State).
"No Jew will be wronged for being a Jew."
"The enemies of the Jews who follow us will not be helped."
"The Jews of Bani Awf will be treated as one community with the Believers. The Jews have their religion. This will also apply to their freedmen."
"The same applies to Jews of Bani Al-Najjar, Bani Al Harith, Bani Saeeda, Bani Jusham, Bani Al Aws, Thaalba, and the Jaffna, (a clan of the Bani Thaalba) and the Bani Al Shutayba."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Andalu ... _Caliphate <--- Depends on which Muslim leader was ruling
https://sites.google.com/site/spainmoorish/essays
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/bound ... d-empires/: " While the non-Muslim population had autonomy, their judicial matters were dealt with in accordance with their own laws and by their own religious heads or their appointees. Non-Muslims paid a poll tax for policing to the central state. Muhammad had stated explicitly during his lifetime that each religious minority should be allowed to practice its own religion and govern itself, and the policy had on the whole continued."
http://www.irfi.org/articles/articles_3 ... istory.htm
http://sensiblereason.com/muslim-hindu- ... e-culture/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions ... re_1.shtml

You wouldn’t be allowed to. You would probably be arrested for blasphemy under a Christian or Jewish theocracy.

Then I'd have to move

> says that’s Muslims don’t whip people
> proceeds to tell everyone what kind of people Muslims whip.

Read my post.

Also why the fuck are you whiping people for being drunk, having sex, or being a witness.

1: Because it's a part of Al-Islam
2: I never said people get whipped for bringing witnesses.

Sure....

Yes, exactly.

I want to add to this brothers post regarding Hudood.

The purpose of the whippings were to put fear in the minds and hearts of the persons guilty of the crimes they committed. And this was for Muslims who were guilty of the mentioned crimes.

The whippings are not just to scare you but to make you think of the consequences of disobeying god. Would it be better to be whipped in this life or you somehow die and you are punished in hell for God knows what? Sincere repentance avoids both fates.

[Genivaria]

That's basic knowledge.

Brother, this Genivaria guy loves to put words in people's mouths. He has no real arguments. He just likes to ridicule and waste your time. Just like he did when I was trying to explain the concept of God to him in another thread, but he accused me of cobtradicting myself and ridiculed my arguments. This man has no good arguments. Only ridicules

My irony meter just exploded.
Also this.

Just like he did when I was trying to explain the concept of God to him in another thread

I don't remember.

Oh wait now I remember, you made vapid assertions and called them proof and when I threw your own logic back in your face you stormed out.
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[Aillyria]

That's basic knowledge.

Brother, this Genivaria guy loves to put words in people's mouths. He has no real arguments. He just likes to ridicule and waste your time. Just like he did when I was trying to explain the concept of God to him in another thread, but he accused me of cobtradicting myself and ridiculed my arguments. This man has no good arguments. Only ridicules

I've never found Genivaria to be particularly hostile, tbh. It is a modern phenomenon that disagreement is equated to hostility, that one reason you can't have decent convos anymore.

[Genivaria]

Brother, this Genivaria guy loves to put words in people's mouths. He has no real arguments. He just likes to ridicule and waste your time. Just like he did when I was trying to explain the concept of God to him in another thread, but he accused me of cobtradicting myself and ridiculed my arguments. This man has no good arguments. Only ridicules

I've never found Genivaria to be particularly hostile, tbh. It is a modern phenomenon that disagreement is equated to hostility, that one reason you can't have decent convos anymore.

Most people don't, I used to be a dick about these kinds of things back in highschool but it just got so tiring and I didn't see the point in getting so worked up about a simple disagreement anymore.
Also I have far more important things to worry about nowadays.

[Jolthig]

Brother, this Genivaria guy loves to put words in people's mouths. He has no real arguments. He just likes to ridicule and waste your time. Just like he did when I was trying to explain the concept of God to him in another thread, but he accused me of cobtradicting myself and ridiculed my arguments. This man has no good arguments. Only ridicules

My irony meter just exploded.
Also this.

Just like he did when I was trying to explain the concept of God to him in another thread

I don't remember.

Oh wait now I remember, you made vapid assertions and called them proof and when I threw your own logic back in your face you stormed out.
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Wow, this is the most serious response ive ever encountered in the history of me being here on NSG! This is gold. I am honored to be given this beautiful response. It makes me tear up because it's so beautiful.

You wanna give yourself credit? You can. I am happy for you.

Like I said on the other thread, you do what you do. I do what i do too.

[Jolthig]

Brother, this Genivaria guy loves to put words in people's mouths. He has no real arguments. He just likes to ridicule and waste your time. Just like he did when I was trying to explain the concept of God to him in another thread, but he accused me of cobtradicting myself and ridiculed my arguments. This man has no good arguments. Only ridicules

I've never found Genivaria to be particularly hostile, tbh. It is a modern phenomenon that disagreement is equated to hostility, that one reason you can't have decent convos anymore.

The problem is people are behind a screen. They dont know what the emotional state of the other user is. So that's in part what causes internet fights.

As for Gen, I don't think he's personally hostile. I just think they aren't very serious with their arguments.

[Islamist China]

What do you guys think of the Hui Chinese and Muslim Uyghurs in China?

[Kubumba Tribe]

What do you guys think of the Hui Chinese and Muslim Uyghurs in China?

Our brothers and sisters in Al-Islam is how I think of them.

[Darussalam]

Traditionalist, rigid interpretation of Islamic law partly plays a role in ME's economical underdevelopment, by Timur Kuran

Thoughts?

[Genivaria]

I've never found Genivaria to be particularly hostile, tbh. It is a modern phenomenon that disagreement is equated to hostility, that one reason you can't have decent convos anymore.

The problem is people are behind a screen. They dont know what the emotional state of the other user is. So that's in part what causes internet fights.

As for Gen, I don't think he's personally hostile. I just think they aren't very serious with their arguments.

You say that while actually not giving arguments and instead just going, 'you do you.'
And if you don't want me to respond to these comments then you shouldn't be sniping at me, I regularly type my own nation name into General search to see if anyone has responded to my posts.

[Puldania]

I'm a non-muslim who has no qualms with Sharia Law, provided it is the more antiquated interpretation rather than the modern ones.

[Kubumba Tribe]

I'm a non-muslim who has no qualms with Sharia Law, provided it is the more antiquated interpretation rather than the modern ones.

Thank you

[Genivaria]

I'm a non-muslim who has no qualms with Sharia Law, provided it is the more antiquated interpretation rather than the modern ones.

Thank you

Some people don't recognize the enemy when they see it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Thank you

Some people don't recognize the enemy when they see it.

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[Genivaria]

Some people don't recognize the enemy when they see it.

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Sharia, if that wasn't clear.

[Kubumba Tribe]

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Sharia, if that wasn't clear.

You haven't pointed out the enemy here.

[Genivaria]

Sharia, if that wasn't clear.

You haven't pointed out the enemy here.

Your statement is very strange, yes I just did.

[Aillyria]

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Sharia, if that wasn't clear.

The modern interpretation is indeed an enemy, and a production of Satan.

[Genivaria]

Sharia, if that wasn't clear.

The modern interpretation is indeed an enemy, and a production of Satan.

As I understand it there is a variation of Sharia which is closer to a personal code of conduct than anything else, if that is what you're talking about then I neither mind or care if someone chooses to live by it.
Making demands of the law based on religion however is not acceptable.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Sharia, if that wasn't clear.

The modern interpretation is indeed an enemy, and a production of Satan.

Sharia in any age is an enemy.