Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Aillyria]

(and, as far as I know, apart from flogging, no punishment has been set for Zina in the Quran, and while the Sha're (الشارع) isn't around, the Ulama are free to interpret based on the Hadith, and the Ijma (and, let's face it, it's a horribly unified Ijma) is Rajm.

There's already a punishment for zina, why create another one?

That is the punishment prescribed by Allah (swt). I personally think stoning should be an additional punishment. With modern technology we can be much more certain with convictions.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

There's already a punishment for zina, why create another one?

That is the punishment prescribed by Allah (swt). I personally think stoning should be an additional punishment. With modern technology we can be much more certain with convictions.

Does that mean you take back this statement?

The Quran is the only binding spiritual authority I recognize, not hadith, not scholars, not imams, only the Quran.

[Aillyria]

That is the punishment prescribed by Allah (swt). I personally think stoning should be an additional punishment. With modern technology we can be much more certain with convictions.

Does that mean you take back this statement?

The Quran is the only binding spiritual authority I recognize, not hadith, not scholars, not imams, only the Quran.

Not saying it's binding, it's only my opinion.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Does that mean you take back this statement?

Not saying it's binding, it's only my opinion.

You seemed pretty adamant about you being a Qur'anist.

[Aillyria]

Not saying it's binding, it's only my opinion.

You seemed pretty adamant about you being a Qur'anist.

I am....well, maybe with that single exception.

[Senegalboy]

Salam wa aleykum everyone
I would to ask a question
Do you think that there is an Islamic revival ie muslims have become more religious and serious about islam Islam or following Islamic morals more etc

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Salam wa aleykum everyone
I would to ask a question
Do you think that there is an Islamic revival ie muslims have become more religious and serious about islam Islam or following Islamic morals more etc

Wa'Alaikum Assalam. Kayfa Haaluka?
Idk about that, the only country I can think of that is Turkey, and that's going a little too slowly imo.
It'll take a while for an Islamic revival to happen.
What do you think?

[Aillyria]

Salam wa aleykum everyone
I would to ask a question
Do you think that there is an Islamic revival ie muslims have become more religious and serious about islam Islam or following Islamic morals more etc

No, there isn't. We have countries like Saudi and Iran turning our faith into an abomination.

[The Parkus Empire]

Salam wa aleykum everyone
I would to ask a question
Do you think that there is an Islamic revival ie muslims have become more religious and serious about islam Islam or following Islamic morals more etc

No, there isn't. We have countries like Saudi and Iran turning our faith into an abomination.

Aren't they just following Sharia according to their respective schools of jurisprudence?

[Aillyria]

No, there isn't. We have countries like Saudi and Iran turning our faith into an abomination.

Aren't they just following Sharia according to their respective schools of jurisprudence?

Yes, sharias that have nothing to do with what is taught in the Quran. The fatwas decreed by both nations (and others) go against the spirit of our Lord (swt).

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No, there isn't. We have countries like Saudi and Iran turning our faith into an abomination.

Aren't they just following Sharia according to their respective schools of jurisprudence?

Their schools of fiqh are wrong in all respects. Scholars should define Al-Islam based on the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, not based on what they like or don't like.

[Western Arab Empire]

Salam wa aleykum everyone
I would to ask a question
Do you think that there is an Islamic revival ie muslims have become more religious and serious about islam Islam or following Islamic morals more etc

There have been many Islamic revivalist organizations and movements that have sprung up in the 150 years and, with the advent of the information age, are now hastily being adopted by Muslims around the world. In fact, it is due to bad streams of Islamic revivalist movements that Islamic Jihadism has also become a global phenomenon. So, I would say that Islamic revivalist does exist, but there is also a lot more questioning today about the role of Islam, and religion in general, in societal and private life in the modern era.

[The Eternal Aulus]

There's already a punishment for zina, why create another one?

That is the punishment prescribed by Allah (swt). I personally think stoning should be an additional punishment. With modern technology we can be much more certain with convictions.

There's no need for additional punishment in Shari'a. State law is another story.

Salam wa aleykum everyone
I would to ask a question
Do you think that there is an Islamic revival ie muslims have become more religious and serious about islam Islam or following Islamic morals more etc

Alhamdulillah rabbi alameen in Western Europe I notice Muslims taking their faith more and more serious.

Aren't they just following Sharia according to their respective schools of jurisprudence?

Their schools of fiqh are wrong in all respects. Scholars should define Al-Islam based on the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, not based on what they like or don't like.

Fiqh is integral to Islam and based on the Sunnah and Quran, I don't get what you're saying.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Their schools of fiqh are wrong in all respects. Scholars should define Al-Islam based on the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, not based on what they like or don't like.

Fiqh is integral to Islam and based on the Sunnah and Quran, I don't get what you're saying.

Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh.
Parkus was asking if countries like Saudi Arabia were just doing fiqh according to their interpretations, and I said "no", because countries like Saudi and Iran are misinterpreting the Holy Qur'an and ahadith to fit their own narrative.

Yes of course, fiqh is an important part of understanding Al-Islam, and yes, it's (supposed to be) based on the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, but what most Muslim-majority countries are doing is not based on Al-Islam.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Good thing someone posted up here, we need to keep this thread alive y'all!

[Pilarcraft]

Parkus was asking if countries like Saudi Arabia were just doing fiqh according to their interpretations, and I said "no", because countries like Saudi and Iran are misinterpreting the Holy Qur'an and ahadith to fit their own narrative.

Yes of course, fiqh is an important part of understanding Al-Islam, and yes, it's (supposed to be) based on the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, but what most Muslim-majority countries are doing is not based on Al-Islam.

That sounds awfully like "They don't interpret it the same way I do so it's probably false"...
Also, no. it is based on Islam, and it is Islamic, but not your interpretation of it. claiming "it isn't" is just cherry picking in the references.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Parkus was asking if countries like Saudi Arabia were just doing fiqh according to their interpretations, and I said "no", because countries like Saudi and Iran are misinterpreting the Holy Qur'an and ahadith to fit their own narrative.

Yes of course, fiqh is an important part of understanding Al-Islam, and yes, it's (supposed to be) based on the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, but what most Muslim-majority countries are doing is not based on Al-Islam.

That sounds awfully like "They don't interpret it the same way I do so it's probably false"...
Also, no. it is based on Islam, and it is Islamic, but not your interpretation of it. claiming "it isn't" is just cherry picking in the references.

I forgot that Al-Islam says that women can't drive, and that you should get 90 lashes for singing and dancing. /s
No, what all Muslim-majority countries govern by is their own rules.

[Pilarcraft]

That sounds awfully like "They don't interpret it the same way I do so it's probably false"...
Also, no. it is based on Islam, and it is Islamic, but not your interpretation of it. claiming "it isn't" is just cherry picking in the references.

I forgot that Al-Islam says that women can't drive, and that you should get 90 lashes for singing and dancing. /s
No, what all Muslim-majority countries govern by is their own rules.

1) Driving: Arguing that is kinda against everything Ijma and Qiyas stand for. There's an Islamic basis on why women shouldn't drive. it's not smart, but then again neither is something written fourteen hundred years ago.

2) Singing: According to the Sunnat, women singing does constitute as what I believe is called 'غنا', which is illegal to produce and hear, and has a Hadd punishment

[Kubumba Tribe]

I forgot that Al-Islam says that women can't drive, and that you should get 90 lashes for singing and dancing. /s
No, what all Muslim-majority countries govern by is their own rules.

1) Driving: Arguing that is kinda against everything Ijma and Qiyas stand for. There's an Islamic basis on why women shouldn't drive.

No there isn't. Or are you referring to this? https://sunnah.com/search/?q=travel+alo ... more+than+ And those refer to travelling long distances, not just going to get a bite to eat, going to work, and other small things like that.

2) Singing: According to the Sunnat, women singing does constitute as what I believe is called 'غنا', which is illegal to produce and hear, and has a Hadd punishment

https://sunnah.com/search/?q=singing Most of the ahadith about "singing is bad" are da'if and the sahih one are about singing slave girls, not singing in general.

[The Eternal Aulus]

Fiqh is integral to Islam and based on the Sunnah and Quran, I don't get what you're saying.

Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh.
Parkus was asking if countries like Saudi Arabia were just doing fiqh according to their interpretations, and I said "no", because countries like Saudi and Iran are misinterpreting the Holy Qur'an and ahadith to fit their own narrative.

Yes of course, fiqh is an important part of understanding Al-Islam, and yes, it's (supposed to be) based on the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, but what most Muslim-majority countries are doing is not based on Al-Islam.

So he's right according to you, yes?

I forgot that Al-Islam says that women can't drive, and that you should get 90 lashes for singing and dancing. /s
No, what all Muslim-majority countries govern by is their own rules.

1) Driving: Arguing that is kinda against everything Ijma and Qiyas stand for. There's an Islamic basis on why women shouldn't drive. it's not smart, but then again neither is something written fourteen hundred years ago.

2) Singing: According to the Sunnat, women singing does constitute as what I believe is called 'غنا', which is illegal to produce and hear, and has a Hadd punishment

Can you give sources for either?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Assalamu 'Alaikum wa RaHmatullahi wa Barakatihuh.
Parkus was asking if countries like Saudi Arabia were just doing fiqh according to their interpretations, and I said "no", because countries like Saudi and Iran are misinterpreting the Holy Qur'an and ahadith to fit their own narrative.

Yes of course, fiqh is an important part of understanding Al-Islam, and yes, it's (supposed to be) based on the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, but what most Muslim-majority countries are doing is not based on Al-Islam.

So he's right according to you, yes?

Now I'm confused. Who's "he"? Parkus?

[The Eternal Aulus]

So he's right according to you, yes?

Now I'm confused. Who's "he"? Parkus?

Yes

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Now I'm confused. Who's "he"? Parkus?

Yes

No, I didn't say he's right, he's incorrect. Just because someone says something about Al-Islam doesn't mean they're right. Just because Saudi Arabia treats women as 2nd class citizens doesn't mean they're on siratal-mustaqeem. In fact, they're far from it.

[The Eternal Aulus]

Yes

No, I didn't say he's right, he's incorrect. Just because someone says something about Al-Islam doesn't mean they're right. Just because Saudi Arabia treats women as 2nd class citizens doesn't mean they're on siratal-mustaqeem. In fact, they're far from it.

It's for Allah swt to decide.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

No, I didn't say he's right, he's incorrect. Just because someone says something about Al-Islam doesn't mean they're right. Just because Saudi Arabia treats women as 2nd class citizens doesn't mean they're on siratal-mustaqeem. In fact, they're far from it.

It's for Allah swt to decide.

True, at the end of the day it is. Doesn't mean we can't try tho