Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Kubumba Tribe]

1: I did not call Ahmadism a false sect. Islamically technically speaking, all sects are false
2: Al-Islam has been united and together for 1400+ yrs, Muslims, however, have not
3: This is not hypocrisy. I want all Muslims to be unified, I just don't want bid'ah and nifaaq to be popular.

My apologies then. I thought you and the tribe nation were two different people because of a discussion I had with that nation of yours a while back.

Yes I agree but in my personal andhumble opinion, only the Mahdi and Messiah can do such a thing and this is agreed by all Muslims?

It's possible I may have misjudged you for another brother on here but im pretty sure it was you that i had that discussion with over MGA?

MGA? Also, it's a blessings for a Muslim to advise another that he/she is doing something wrong. Take it, however is debateable.

[Jolthig]

My apologies then. I thought you and the tribe nation were two different people because of a discussion I had with that nation of yours a while back.

Yes I agree but in my personal andhumble opinion, only the Mahdi and Messiah can do such a thing and this is agreed by all Muslims?

It's possible I may have misjudged you for another brother on here but im pretty sure it was you that i had that discussion with over MGA?

MGA?

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

[El-Amin Caliphate]

MGA?

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Idk.

[Jolthig]

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Idk.

Ok

[Bhikkustan]

Ahmadiism is a sect that I personally am skeptical of theologically. However, as you say Shahada and worship the one god there's really no shirk. It's up to Allah to decide sect issues, all we can do is follow his guidance and worship him, for he is most merciful and knowing.

On another note, I've started reading a translation of al Ghazali and wanted to know the consensus on him. Also, why tf are all books on Sufism written in arcane styles that are hard to understand?

[Aillyria]

Ahmadiism is a sect that I personally am skeptical of theologically. However, as you say Shahada and worship the one god there's really no shirk. It's up to Allah to decide sect issues, all we can do is follow his guidance and worship him, for he is most merciful and knowing.

On another note, I've started reading a translation of al Ghazali and wanted to know the consensus on him. Also, why tf are all books on Sufism written in arcane styles that are hard to understand?

We gotta be mysterious bruh!!!

But, really....we use ALOT of poetry and metaphors in our writings, it's hard to explain why.

[Hindia Belanda]

Ahmadiism is a sect that I personally am skeptical of theologically. However, as you say Shahada and worship the one god there's really no shirk. It's up to Allah to decide sect issues, all we can do is follow his guidance and worship him, for he is most merciful and knowing.

On another note, I've started reading a translation of al Ghazali and wanted to know the consensus on him. Also, why tf are all books on Sufism written in arcane styles that are hard to understand?

We gotta be mysterious bruh!!!

But, really....we use ALOT of poetry and metaphors in our writings, it's hard to explain why.

Ever read The Conference of the Birds by Farid ud-Din Attar? It's by far my favourite Sufi literature about Wahdat Al-Wujud, full of metaphors and symbolism.

[Aillyria]

We gotta be mysterious bruh!!!

But, really....we use ALOT of poetry and metaphors in our writings, it's hard to explain why.

Ever read The Conference of the Birds by Farid ud-Din Attar? It's by far my favourite Sufi literature about Wahdat Al-Wujud, full of metaphors and symbolism.

Hmm, I'm not familiar with that one......I'll google it.

[Bhikkustan]

Ahmadiism is a sect that I personally am skeptical of theologically. However, as you say Shahada and worship the one god there's really no shirk. It's up to Allah to decide sect issues, all we can do is follow his guidance and worship him, for he is most merciful and knowing.

On another note, I've started reading a translation of al Ghazali and wanted to know the consensus on him. Also, why tf are all books on Sufism written in arcane styles that are hard to understand?

We gotta be mysterious bruh!!!

But, really....we use ALOT of poetry and metaphors in our writings, it's hard to explain why.

Wallah Sufism is so similar to Buddhism. I wanna read Rumi because InshaAllah I will do an exchange to turkey next year and plan to go to Konya, his home town of sorts.

[War Gears]

We gotta be mysterious bruh!!!

But, really....we use ALOT of poetry and metaphors in our writings, it's hard to explain why.

Wallah Sufism is so similar to Buddhism. I wanna read Rumi because InshaAllah I will do an exchange to turkey next year and plan to go to Konya, his home town of sorts.

That seems like a bit of a stretch. It sounds like it has more in common with the Hindu concept of moksha.

[Aillyria]

We gotta be mysterious bruh!!!

But, really....we use ALOT of poetry and metaphors in our writings, it's hard to explain why.

Wallah Sufism is so similar to Buddhism. I wanna read Rumi because InshaAllah I will do an exchange to turkey next year and plan to go to Konya, his home town of sorts.

RUMI!!! He's my favorite!

His poetry actually drew me to Sufism, it's so beautiful.

[Bhikkustan]

Wallah Sufism is so similar to Buddhism. I wanna read Rumi because InshaAllah I will do an exchange to turkey next year and plan to go to Konya, his home town of sorts.

RUMI!!! He's my favorite!

His poetry actually drew me to Sufism, it's so beautiful.

I like what I've read, hence my sig quote. Do you know any ways to read it online?

[Aillyria]

RUMI!!! He's my favorite!

His poetry actually drew me to Sufism, it's so beautiful.

I like what I've read, hence my sig quote. Do you know any ways to read it online?

Hmm....not off the top of my head, I'll have to get back to you on that.

[Hindia Belanda]

RUMI!!! He's my favorite!

His poetry actually drew me to Sufism, it's so beautiful.

I like what I've read, hence my sig quote. Do you know any ways to read it online?

You can read his Mathnavi here, but I recommend The Essential Rumi by Coleman Barks (translator). It's not an exact translation of the original though, but still captures the message quite beautifully.

Rumi's poem The Guest House is one of my favourites.

[Bhikkustan]

I like what I've read, hence my sig quote. Do you know any ways to read it online?

You can read his Mathnavi here, but I recommend The Essential Rumi by Coleman Barks (translator). It's not an exact translation of the original though, but still captures the message quite beautifully.

Rumi's poem The Guest House is one of my favourites.

I'll definitely look into it.

[Thomshafen]

Ahmadiyya are not muslims.

[Alsheb]

Ahmadiyya are not muslims.

Invoking takfir on muslims is a violation of Islamic principles.

[Thomshafen]

Ahmadiyya are not muslims.

Invoking takfir on muslims is a violation of Islamic principles.

I have linked you fatwaat, which have takfired Ahmadiyya, they are not Muslims.

[Hindia Belanda]

Invoking takfir on muslims is a violation of Islamic principles.

I have linked you fatwaat, which have takfired Ahmadiyya, they are not Muslims.

Fatwas issued by some dodgy irrelevant ulemas don't mean shit.

[Thomshafen]

Fatwas issued by some dodgy irrelevant ulemas don't mean shit.

Repeat what you said, and reflect on it.

[Aillyria]

Invoking takfir on muslims is a violation of Islamic principles.

I have linked you fatwaat, which have takfired Ahmadiyya, they are not Muslims.

Haram Aleik!!!
Do not takfir!!!

Besides, who are these "scholars" claiming the authority to past such things?

[Hindia Belanda]

Fatwas issued by some dodgy irrelevant ulemas don't mean shit.

Repeat what you said, and reflect on it.

I'll repeat that a million times.

It is unislamic to invoke takfir on muslims who believe in God and who pray to him.

[Thomshafen]

Besides, who are these "scholars" claiming the authority to past such things?

There is an ijma on it being kufr to not takfir khurooj, cited here. I have linked you the religious body of the World's Muslim League's (1974) Ijma, that they are kuffar.

http://www.usislam.org/cults/unanimous_ ... slamic.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Wo ... Conference
https://islamqa.info/en/4060
https://islamqa.org/?s=Ahmadi#gsc.tab=0 ... gsc.page=1

I can only warn you of the dangers of your words. Come back to Islam, this will be my last post here.

As to what Hindia said, there is a certain limit as to who or who not to takfir, an Ahmadi claiming to be a Muslim, is certainly not a Muslim. You may Telegram me (or anyone for that matter) if you have any questions, this place is full of heretical ideas.

[Aillyria]

Besides, who are these "scholars" claiming the authority to past such things?

There is an ijma on it being kufr to not takfir khurooj, cited here. I have linked you the religious body of the World's Muslim League's (1974) Ijma, that they are kuffar.

http://www.usislam.org/cults/unanimous_ ... slamic.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Wo ... Conference
https://islamqa.info/en/4060
https://islamqa.org/?s=Ahmadi#gsc.tab=0 ... gsc.page=1

I can only warn you of the dangers of your words. Come back to Islam, this will be my last post here.

As to what Hindia said, there is a certain limit as to who or who not to takfir, an Ahmadi claiming to be a Muslim, is certainly not a Muslim. You may Telegram me (or anyone for that matter) if you have any questions, this place is full of heretical ideas.

You come here invoking takfir and you have the audacity to name muslims heretics? Only God (swt) knows our hearts, not you, and not some BS conference of "scholars".

You come here only to create division, be gone then!!!

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Besides, who are these "scholars" claiming the authority to past such things?

There is an ijma on it being kufr to not takfir khurooj, cited here. I have linked you the religious body of the World's Muslim League's (1974) Ijma, that they are kuffar.

http://www.usislam.org/cults/unanimous_ ... slamic.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Wo ... Conference
https://islamqa.info/en/4060
https://islamqa.org/?s=Ahmadi#gsc.tab=0 ... gsc.page=1

I can only warn you of the dangers of your words. Come back to Islam, this will be my last post here.

As to what Hindia said, there is a certain limit as to who or who not to takfir, an Ahmadi claiming to be a Muslim, is certainly not a Muslim. You may Telegram me (or anyone for that matter) if you have any questions, this place is full of heretical ideas.

Lol let's go down that list of sources:

-Written by what appears to be an anti-Semite who said the following about Shia: Abdul allah ibn Saba went to the Egyptians who where newly Muslims, and far away from the origin of Islam to spread his poison, as a typical jew.

-Group heavily affiliated with and funded by the Saudi government

-Salafi website known for spreading hate

-Salafi website known for spreading hate