Islamic Discussion Thread ٣

[Pilarcraft]

If you're making one big song and dance about misunderstandings you should be able to correct fairly basic ones. The hadith is not beyond basic reading comprehension, but allow me to rephrase.

Is it perfectly acceptable to trade two black slaves for a slave of another race? Is that behaviour befitting the example to all mankind?

If referring to the hadith, it's not my slander, it's Al-Bukhari.

You're slandering Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), just like just about every anti-Islam/Islamophobe up here.
Like I said before, Allahu 'Alim. It's probs better to ask an imam about this.

that's legit an authentic Sahih Muslim Hadith, though. here
Are you saying Sahih Muslim, and Jabir, of all people, were slandering Muhammad? or are we taking this out of context?

[Genivaria]

If you're making one big song and dance about misunderstandings you should be able to correct fairly basic ones. The hadith is not beyond basic reading comprehension, but allow me to rephrase.

Is it perfectly acceptable to trade two black slaves for a slave of another race? Is that behaviour befitting the example to all mankind?

If referring to the hadith, it's not my slander, it's Al-Bukhari.

Actually, the hadith you cited was in Muslim.
You're slandering Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), just like just about every anti-Islam/Islamophobe up here.
Like I said before, Allahu 'Alim. It's probs better to ask an imam about this.

If quoting your own holy books is 'slander' than what does that say about your holy books?
And what does that say about your sense of honesty?

[Pilarcraft]

Actually, the hadith you cited was in Muslim.
You're slandering Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), just like just about every anti-Islam/Islamophobe up here.
Like I said before, Allahu 'Alim. It's probs better to ask an imam about this.

If quoting your own holy books is 'slander' than what does that say about your holy books?
And what does that say about your sense of honesty?

technically Hadith books are not quite holy books. I mean, many muslims don't even follow them. Islam has only One Holy Book, and that's Quran (not that that book doesn't have any can of worms waiting to be opened, just saying)

[Luminesa]

If you're making one big song and dance about misunderstandings you should be able to correct fairly basic ones. The hadith is not beyond basic reading comprehension, but allow me to rephrase.

Is it perfectly acceptable to trade two black slaves for a slave of another race? Is that behaviour befitting the example to all mankind?

If referring to the hadith, it's not my slander, it's Al-Bukhari.

Actually, the hadith you cited was in Muslim.
You're slandering Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), just like just about every anti-Islam/Islamophobe up here.
Like I said before, Allahu 'Alim. It's probs better to ask an imam about this.

“Th-This is slander, I-I don’t know how to debate my faith, g-go ask an imam and leave me alone!”

Do you know how many people ask me, as a Catholic, “Do Catholics worship Mary?” It’s why I’ve had to do years of reading on Marian devotions, asking questions, and paying attention to what my Church teaches, in order to understand our devotions to the Blessed Mother. So I can properly defend them.

Is it slanderous when someone says, “Catholics worship Mary!” No, merely misinformed. And if you care about your faith and how it is understood, you will answer the questions instead of diving back and waiting for someone to catch you when you slip over your own two feet.

[Kubumba Tribe]

www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-245927.html
This is the only Islamic explanation I have found for it, if you/y'all want more, go to an imam or another Islamic scholar about this.

[Genivaria]

http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-245927.html
This is the only Islamic explanation I have found for it, if you/y'all want more, go to an imam or another Islamic scholar about this.

One of the biggest indications of the Prophet (saw) not being racist was the fact he was married to a black woman

This is just lol worthy.

[Pilarcraft]

http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-245927.html
This is the only Islamic explanation I have found for it, if you/y'all want more, go to an imam or another Islamic scholar about this.

how about you show some backbone, or at the very least study your religion enough that you can, with a little search, be able to answer an inquiry without a cop-out like this?
Can't be so hard, especially now with The Internet helping you search.

[Thomshafen]

Don't look at a singular hadith and make up your own mind, many hadith are used in a multitude of rulings have a large, large amount of context behind them - centuries' worth even, they back up Quranic verses, are superseded by other ahadith and may even be used as a basis for Islamic research.

It is neither appropriate nor proper to look at ahadith without the proper tafsir or without an Alim/Scholar.

Edit: Most of this knowledge isn't found on the internet either, the ahadith are more than the pixels on your screen (or in most cases, more than the ones from wikiIslam).

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Don't look at a singular hadith and make up your own mind, many hadith are used in a multitude of rulings have a large, large amount of context behind them - centuries' worth even, they back up Quranic verses, are superseded by other ahadith and may even be used as a basis for Islamic research.

It is neither appropriate nor proper to look at ahadith without the proper tafsir or without an Alim/Scholar.

Shukran (thank you).
Hal anta/anti Muslim (are you Muslim)?

[Genivaria]

Don't look at a singular hadith and make up your own mind, many hadith are used in a multitude of rulings have a large, large amount of context behind them - centuries' worth even, they back up Quranic verses, are superseded by other ahadith and may even be used as a basis for Islamic research.

It is neither appropriate nor proper to look at ahadith without the proper tafsir or without an Alim/Scholar.

This isn't rocket science and these 'scholars' aren't anything special.
Words are quite simple to actually read.

[Herskerstad]

If you're making one big song and dance about misunderstandings you should be able to correct fairly basic ones. The hadith is not beyond basic reading comprehension, but allow me to rephrase.

Is it perfectly acceptable to trade two black slaves for a slave of another race? Is that behaviour befitting the example to all mankind?

If referring to the hadith, it's not my slander, it's Al-Bukhari.

Actually, the hadith you cited was in Muslim.
You're slandering Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), just like just about every anti-Islam/Islamophobe up here.
Like I said before, Allahu 'Alim. It's probs better to ask an imam about this.

Alright, I miss-sited the author, but muslim is hardly unreliable.

But I've engaged this with you with the height of moderation, and you find yourself unable to resort to other than the most embarrassing of tactics. Feigning ignorance, ignoring the point, attacking the person rather than the argument. You keep talking about misunderstanding like it's a currency, when you seem unable to bring much to the table yourself. Now I don't envy the task of defending Muhammad, as it becomes impossible in the great run at least from a moral perspective, but that you skirt around the issue of racial slave trading kind of means you capitulate on the topic as a whole.

The topic of seeing a white prophet selling back slaves at a fucking discount as being the perfect example for all mankind.

[Luminesa]

http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-245927.html
This is the only Islamic explanation I have found for it, if you/y'all want more, go to an imam or another Islamic scholar about this.

Is that it? Why do you even come on this thread, if you complain about being bullied and then just point to an imam? Are you aware that one imam will not think like another imam? Utterly pathetic. Get back here and debate or don’t debate at all.

[Thomshafen]

It is neither appropriate nor proper to look at ahadith without the proper tafsir or without an Alim/Scholar.
This isn't rocket science and these 'scholars' aren't anything special.
Words are quite simple to actually read.

Last I checked, mathematics is just numbers and English is just words. In that same vein, tell me what do you understand by this:

"B"

[Pilarcraft]

Actually, the hadith you cited was in Muslim.
You're slandering Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), just like just about every anti-Islam/Islamophobe up here.
Like I said before, Allahu 'Alim. It's probs better to ask an imam about this.

Alright, I miss-sited the author, but muslim is hardly unreliable.

But I've engaged this with you with the height of moderation, and you find yourself unable to resort to other than the most embarrassing of tactics. Feigning ignorance, ignoring the point, attacking the person rather than the argument. You keep talking about misunderstanding like it's a currency, when you seem unable to bring much to the table yourself. Now I don't envy the task of defending Muhammad, as it becomes impossible in the great run at least from a moral perspective, but that you skirt around the issue of racial slave trading kind of means you capitulate on the topic as a whole.

The topic of seeing a white prophet selling back slaves at a fucking discount as being the perfect example for all mankind.

Um... Muhammad was definitely an Arab, and a Qurayshi from what we know.

[Genivaria]

It is neither appropriate nor proper to look at ahadith without the proper tafsir or without an Alim/Scholar.
This isn't rocket science and these 'scholars' aren't anything special.
Words are quite simple to actually read.

Last I checked, mathematics is just numbers and English is just words. In that same vein, tell me what do you understand by this:

"B"

It's called the letter B, if you had a point I fail to see it.
Has the Quran and Hadith not been translated into English?

[Pilarcraft]

Don't look at a singular hadith and make up your own mind, many hadith are used in a multitude of rulings have a large, large amount of context behind them - centuries' worth even, they back up Quranic verses, are superseded by other ahadith and may even be used as a basis for Islamic research.

It is neither appropriate nor proper to look at ahadith without the proper tafsir or without an Alim/Scholar.

This isn't rocket science and these 'scholars' aren't anything special.
Words are quite simple to actually read.

Well, In their defense, the words are from a dialect of that language that is even before the version of Arabic that the Third Rashidun Caliph announced as official dialect. We do have people to study Shakespeare and Gothe (who aren't really that ancient either), who shouldnt' we have people who study Muhammad and the stuff ppl said about him 1400 years ago?

[Luminesa]

It is neither appropriate nor proper to look at ahadith without the proper tafsir or without an Alim/Scholar.
This isn't rocket science and these 'scholars' aren't anything special.
Words are quite simple to actually read.

Last I checked, mathematics is just numbers and English is just words. In that same vein, tell me what do you understand by this:

"B"

Mathematics does include letters once you get into algebra.

4x + 5y = 24
6x + 3y = 36

BEHOLD. A BASIC SYSTEM OF EQUATIONS IN ALGEBRA.

[War Gears]

http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-245927.html
This is the only Islamic explanation I have found for it, if you/y'all want more, go to an imam or another Islamic scholar about this.

One of the biggest indications of the Prophet (saw) not being racist was the fact he was married to a black woman

This is just lol worthy.

He also married a nine year old, so....

[Kubumba Tribe]

Actually, the hadith you cited was in Muslim.
You're slandering Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), just like just about every anti-Islam/Islamophobe up here.
Like I said before, Allahu 'Alim. It's probs better to ask an imam about this.

Alright, I miss-sited the author, but muslim is hardly unreliable.

Never said that. Just correcting you

Now I don't envy the task of defending Muhammad, as it becomes impossible in the great run at least from a moral perspective

No it doesn't

but that you skirt around the issue of racial slave trading kind of means you capitulate on the topic as a whole.

The topic of seeing a white prophet selling back slaves at a fucking discount as being the perfect example for all mankind.

1: Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) isn't white, he's Arab
2: Do y'all have a problem with asking more qualified Muslim scholars about Islamic stuff?

[Thomshafen]

Mathematics does include letters once you get into algebra.

4x + 5y = 24
6x + 3y = 36

BEHOLD. A BASIC SYSTEM OF EQUATIONS IN ALGEBRA.

Please do not dodge the question, what did "B" mean?

[Kubumba Tribe]

http://www.ummah.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-245927.html
This is the only Islamic explanation I have found for it, if you/y'all want more, go to an imam or another Islamic scholar about this.

Is that it? Why do you even come on this thread, if you complain about being bullied and then just point to an imam? Are you aware that one imam will not think like another imam? Utterly pathetic. Get back here and debate or don’t debate at all.

When did I say I was being bullied? You do know that I retracted that statement, right?
And what's pathetic?

[Genivaria]

This isn't rocket science and these 'scholars' aren't anything special.
Words are quite simple to actually read.

Well, In their defense, the words are from a dialect of that language that is even before the version of Arabic that the Third Rashidun Caliph announced as official dialect. We do have people to study Shakespeare and Gothe (who aren't really that ancient either), who shouldnt' we have people who study Muhammad and the stuff ppl said about him 1400 years ago?

Oh from a completely secular perspective I agree, but if we assume they have some theological substance than things like language and dialects shouldn't be an excuse.

[War Gears]

1: Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) isn't white, he's Arab

Arabs are white.

2: Do y'all have a problem with asking more qualified Muslim scholars about Islamic stuff?

They probably don't know any, at all.

[Luminesa]

Alright, I miss-sited the author, but muslim is hardly unreliable.

Never said that. Just correcting you

Now I don't envy the task of defending Muhammad, as it becomes impossible in the great run at least from a moral perspective

No it doesn't

but that you skirt around the issue of racial slave trading kind of means you capitulate on the topic as a whole.

The topic of seeing a white prophet selling back slaves at a fucking discount as being the perfect example for all mankind.

1: Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) isn't white, he's Arab
2: Do y'all have a problem with asking more qualified Muslim scholars about Islamic stuff?

You haven’t corrected a single thing he’s said. We don’t come here to go look at the website of some random imam. We’re here to debate with YOU. Now do you want to debate or not? Because it seems you don’t want to.

[Kubumba Tribe]

This is just lol worthy.

He also married a nine year old, so....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZRKaHS7YQc