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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:57 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:If it's unnecessary then why do it?

Again, this is a debate forum so you really shouldn't be surprised.

I don't find it worth my metaphorical breath to argue with atheists about faith, it's a waste of time. Argument for the sake of argument is something I don't enjoy.

Sooooo why are you on a debate forum?
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Postby Aillyria » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:05 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I don't find it worth my metaphorical breath to argue with atheists about faith, it's a waste of time. Argument for the sake of argument is something I don't enjoy.

Sooooo why are you on a debate forum?

Why am I in this thread? I spend most of my time here in the Islamic Thread discussing matters of faith, and the history of Islam. I usually go in threads of issues or topics that are somewhat related to my ideas (Leftist thread, Christian Thread).

I'm primarily on NS as a roleplayer.....
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:21 pm

Romanussia wrote:I can.

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I'm waiting.
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I don't, so shut the hell up.
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Postby Bhikkustan » Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:59 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I don't find it worth my metaphorical breath to argue with atheists about faith, it's a waste of time. Argument for the sake of argument is something I don't enjoy.

Sooooo why are you on a debate forum?

Islamic DISCUSSION thread
This isn't a debate thread in theory. I mainly just come here to chat with my akhis and ukhtis
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:00 am

Bhikkustan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Sooooo why are you on a debate forum?

Islamic DISCUSSION thread
This isn't a debate thread in theory. I mainly just come here to chat with my akhis and ukhtis


Everything in General is a nasty debate thread.
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Postby Bhikkustan » Thu Jan 04, 2018 12:06 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bhikkustan wrote:Islamic DISCUSSION thread
This isn't a debate thread in theory. I mainly just come here to chat with my akhis and ukhtis


Everything in General is a nasty debate thread.

Threads aren't nasty
people are
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Postby Alsheb » Thu Jan 04, 2018 1:50 am

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Alsheb wrote:So because some asshats were dicks to you when you were a kid, you have a feud with each and every Muslim living in the banlieus. Got it, it's a personal vendetta for you.

No, because unlike you I actually have some genuine experience with the Banlieues I know how shit they are and don't feel the need to try and constantly downplay their sad state.


Having a Muslim steal your lunch money in middle school, or having a Muslim be mean to you during Ramadan does not count as "experience".
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Postby Alsheb » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:01 am

Yanitza wrote:Is their a particular region or time period of Islamic history that people here are interested? FO mr I personally find Islamic Africa an interesting area, especially what is now the modern sudan and Horn of Africa.


I am particularly fascinated with Persian history, and I recently found a fascination with Yemen as well.
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Postby Alsheb » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:05 am

Bhikkustan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Sooooo why are you on a debate forum?

Islamic DISCUSSION thread
This isn't a debate thread in theory. I mainly just come here to chat with my akhis and ukhtis


Very true. It seems at times as if this thread is permanently shadowed by a bunch of islamophobes who come out of the woodwork and take over the entire thread every so often at the slightest trigger.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:21 am

Alsheb wrote:
Having a Muslim steal your lunch money in middle school, or having a Muslim be mean to you during Ramadan does not count as "experience".

No, but actually interacting with people from the Banlieue and seeing what's life is actually like in one does while, and I'm sorry to tell you that, " tots having a prolo friend" or having taken your card at the party to impress girls from your liberal art classes doesn't make a bobo knowledgeable about the situation there no matter how "in" he thinks he is. ;)
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Postby Alsheb » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:39 am

Aellex wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
Having a Muslim steal your lunch money in middle school, or having a Muslim be mean to you during Ramadan does not count as "experience".

No, but actually interacting with people from the Banlieue and seeing what's life is actually like in one does while, and I'm sorry to tell you that, " tots having a prolo friend" or having taken your card at the party to impress girls from your liberal art classes doesn't make a bobo knowledgeable about the situation there no matter how "in" he thinks he is. ;)


I live in a city that has been one of the main recruitment grounds for Daesh, mate. One of my classmates in primary school joined Daesh and died in Syria, which is good riddance for anyone joining up in such a movement.
And we had an ISIS recruitment centre just a few hundred meters from my house, until it got raided by police.

That's more experience than your living in the banlieu up to middle school and having a Muslim being mean to you once or twice.

And you can drop the bitchy attitude. You sound like a high schook jock.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:52 am

Alsheb wrote:
Aellex wrote:No, but actually interacting with people from the Banlieue and seeing what's life is actually like in one does while, and I'm sorry to tell you that, " tots having a prolo friend" or having taken your card at the party to impress girls from your liberal art classes doesn't make a bobo knowledgeable about the situation there no matter how "in" he thinks he is. ;)


I live in a city that has been one of the main recruitment grounds for Daesh, mate. One of my classmates in primary school joined Daesh and died in Syria, which is good riddance for anyone joining up in such a movement.
And we had an ISIS recruitment centre just a few hundred meters from my house, until it got raided by police.

That's more experience than your living in the banlieu up to middle school and having a Muslim being mean to you once or twice.

And you can drop the bitchy attitude. You sound like a high schook jock.


Aellex is a jock, he's getting a full scholarship in crusading.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Jan 04, 2018 3:02 am

Alsheb wrote:I live in a city that has been one of the main recruitment grounds for Daesh, mate. One of my classmates in primary school joined Daesh and died in Syria, which is good riddance for anyone joining up in such a movement.

So do people from Auteuil. ;)
Again, bobos love to rave about the diversity of their city from the beaux-quartiers they live in despite having never step a foot for longer than an hour in the banlieues. It's nothing new nor convincing.
And we had an ISIS recruitment centre just a few hundred meters from my house, until it got raided by police.

That's called a "mosque", fam. ;)
That's more experience than your living in the banlieu up to middle school and having a Muslim being mean to you once or twice.

"I have a prolo friend and totally knew as a kid someone who became a Djihadist! It's totally better experience than actually living near a banlieue and interacting daily with people from them!"
And you can drop the bitchy attitude. You sound like a high schook jock.

And you can drop the passive-aggressive attitude. You sound like a menopaused house-wife.
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Postby Alsheb » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:03 am

It's quite pointless to argue with guy who thinks he knows my background, while he doesn't, and thinks he knows where I live, which he doesn't.

You really are nothing but a troll, are you?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:24 am

Masajid are not ISIS recruitment centers.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Jan 04, 2018 4:31 am

Alsheb wrote:It's quite pointless to argue with guy who thinks he knows my background, while he doesn't, and thinks he knows where I live, which he doesn't.

You really are nothing but a troll, are you?

I return to you both the accusation and compliment. :^)
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Postby The Galactic Supremacy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:04 am

Aellex wrote:That's called a "mosque", fam. ;)

And you're called an "idiot", fam ;)
Aellex wrote:And you can drop the passive-aggressive attitude. You sound like a menopaused house-wife.

Yeah, says the menopaused house-wife failed school jock.

De rien!
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Postby The Galactic Supremacy » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:07 am

Aellex wrote:
Alsheb wrote:It's quite pointless to argue with guy who thinks he knows my background, while he doesn't, and thinks he knows where I live, which he doesn't.

You really are nothing but a troll, are you?

I return to you both the accusation and compliment. :^)

You're such a true straw man.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:12 am

honestly, there's no debating with someone who comes to an Islamic Discussion thread, calls every Mosque a "ISIS recruitment center" and acts overall like the pseudo-intellectuals that France suffered in the early 1800s.
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Postby Romanussia » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:22 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Romanussia wrote:I can.

...

I'm waiting.
And you definitely have some work to do if you think science is this one, amazing development that can never be proven wrong under any circumstances.

I don't, so shut the hell up.

Yeah, no problem, I can shut the hell up. I'm waiting for you to actually get evidence I've stated throughout this whole thing. I would need a bit more evidence instead of rudeness in this case, but whatever. If you seriously get this offended and out of control on debate threads, you should probably not be on this thread. Not even going to bring up the fact this isn't a debate thread.

Also, I'm not going to argue for the sake of arguing. This is not what I was even arguing about. I don't need to be told by atheists about my faith; being insulted to and being told I have no evidence when they're the ones throwing random shit with absolutely no actual proof.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:28 am

Pilarcraft wrote:honestly, there's no debating with someone who comes to an Islamic Discussion thread, calls every Mosque a "ISIS recruitment center" and acts overall like the pseudo-intellectuals that France suffered in the early 1800s.

Notice, tho, that saying that I.S.I.S recruitment centers are Mosque isn't the same as saying that Mosque are I.S.I.S recruitment and even less that "every" is. ;)
For the pseudo-intellectual bit, I will take that as a compliment coming from you.
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Postby Aellex » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:29 am

The Galactic Supremacy wrote:And you're called an "idiot", fam ;)

Yeah, says the menopaused house-wife failed school jock.

De rien!

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Postby Darussalam » Thu Jan 04, 2018 5:36 am

Yanitza wrote:Is their a particular region or time period of Islamic history that people here are interested? FO mr I personally find Islamic Africa an interesting area, especially what is now the modern sudan and Horn of Africa.

I'm supposed to choose???
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Postby Aillyria » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:47 am

Alsheb wrote:
Bhikkustan wrote:Islamic DISCUSSION thread
This isn't a debate thread in theory. I mainly just come here to chat with my akhis and ukhtis


Very true. It seems at times as if this thread is permanently shadowed by a bunch of islamophobes who come out of the woodwork and take over the entire thread every so often at the slightest trigger.

Yeah, it's a daily occurance seemingly. Very annoying, tbth.

If you hate Islam why stick your head in a thread made to discuss it?
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Postby Pilarcraft » Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:50 am

Aillyria wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
Very true. It seems at times as if this thread is permanently shadowed by a bunch of islamophobes who come out of the woodwork and take over the entire thread every so often at the slightest trigger.

Yeah, it's a daily occurance seemingly. Very annoying, tbth.

If you hate Islam why stick your head in a thread made to discuss it?

I'm not a fan of Islam myself (as you might know), but many people come here to discuss. you can't really have a discussion if everyone who's discussing is in the opposition of an idea. you need two sides. but yeah. some people are just here to troll. *totally not pointing fingers at anyone*
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