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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:28 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:No, I don't. Because that's...factually not who is destroying ISIS right now. Muslim Countries are.


"Muslims countries"? Which "Muslim countries" are you talking about? Which of them is ruling by Shariah Law?

Maybe you mean those zionist puppets who are cooperating with the US-led Coalition against ISIS?


If anything you indirectly support it, seeing that Wahhabis work to divide and corrode the Ummah in the middle east so that Zionists can have a petty state.


Your "logic" just doesn't make sense.

The best thing for Israel is to keep the Ummah divided with borders and puppet dictators. A Khilafah abolishing all the borders and unifying the Ummah from Maghrib to Indonesia would just be the death of Zionism and this is why they fear ISIS so much.
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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:30 am

Itoshiki wrote:.. Why do you act as an apologist to a regime which, among many other things, openly endorses and practices sexual slavery, genocide against minority ethnoreligious groups, and casually engages in wanton cruelty to attract media attention?


No I don't support the USA.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:31 am

American Foreign Policy is not actually fighting ISIS. Not in any way effective. They just arm Salafi-Jihadists and expect them to effectively fight ISIS. Which is error and insanity.

Assad, and Certain Militias both Shi'a and Sunni in Iraq are defeating ISIS really without American Aid. I'm far from supportive of them, to be sure. But ISIS being destroyed and "American" Foreign Policy being fought against... with "Salafism" being crushed in general by the regimes in the Middle East is very satisfying. I hope after the Wahhabi Brigands are all destroyed, the Khomeinist Hardliners can go next.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:33 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:.. Why do you act as an apologist to a regime which, among many other things, openly endorses and practices sexual slavery, genocide against minority ethnoreligious groups, and casually engages in wanton cruelty to attract media attention?


No I don't support the USA.


The absurdity of this entire statement boggles the mind. Would you mind demonstrating its endorsing and practicing of sexual slavery, or its act of genocide against minority ethno-religious groups, perhaps a demonstrating the last one may be in your best interests.
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Postby Itoshiki » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:33 am

Islamic Government wrote:Your "logic" just doesn't make sense.

The best thing for Israel is to keep the Ummah divided with borders and puppet dictators. A Khilafah abolishing all the borders and unifying the Ummah from Maghrib to Indonesia would just be the death of Zionism and this is why they fear ISIS so much.

And the ISIS can achieve this... and that would be a good thing... how, exactly?
Islamic Government wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:.. Why do you act as an apologist to a regime which, among many other things, openly endorses and practices sexual slavery, genocide against minority ethnoreligious groups, and casually engages in wanton cruelty to attract media attention?


No I don't support the USA.

Do you think believe the Dawlah al-Islamiyah fi-'l-Iraq wa-'l-Shams does not do any of those things, even when the Dabiq audaciously praised such acts in their articles?
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Itoshiki wrote:You're not really saying much about Yazidi and Christian girls raped by the mujahids, either. I ask you again: do you approve of IS' practice of sex slavery or not?

Yes, I approve.

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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:35 am

Itoshiki wrote:Do you think believe the Dawlah al-Islamiyah fi-'l-Iraq wa-'l-Shams does not do any of those things, even when the Dabiq audaciously praised such acts in their articles?


What are you talking about?

Show me a government who didn't kill anyone. The so-called "Democratic nations" are much more murderous than anyone else.
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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:37 am

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:

No I don't support the USA.


The absurdity of this entire statement boggles the mind. Would you mind demonstrating its endorsing and practicing of sexual slavery, or its act of genocide against minority ethno-religious groups, perhaps a demonstrating the last one may be in your best interests.


Well, it wasn't ISIS who dropped two atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki or who killed almost every indigenous Indian in America to begin with.
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Postby Itoshiki » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:38 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:American Foreign Policy is not actually fighting ISIS. Not in any way effective. They just arm Salafi-Jihadists and expect them to effectively fight ISIS. Which is error and insanity.

Assad, and Certain Militias both Shi'a and Sunni in Iraq are defeating ISIS really without American Aid. I'm far from supportive of them, to be sure. But ISIS being destroyed and "American" Foreign Policy being fought against... with "Salafism" being crushed in general by the regimes in the Middle East is very satisfying. I hope after the Wahhabi Brigands are all destroyed, the Khomeinist Hardliners can go next.

One group of thugs destroyed, another fills the vacuum. Sorry, but that's just how it works. Of course, there's no doubt that the IS is significantly more terrible than the Hezbollah, but they're also less likely to last long anyway, thanks to their radically millennarian message even by Islamist standard. Khamenei now can play his pawns easier than ever after Rafsanjani's death, though maybe it's for the best.
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Islamic Government wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:You're not really saying much about Yazidi and Christian girls raped by the mujahids, either. I ask you again: do you approve of IS' practice of sex slavery or not?

Yes, I approve.

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Postby Philjia » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:38 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:Do you think believe the Dawlah al-Islamiyah fi-'l-Iraq wa-'l-Shams does not do any of those things, even when the Dabiq audaciously praised such acts in their articles?


What are you talking about?

Show me a government who didn't kill anyone. The so-called "Democratic nations" are much more murderous than anyone else.


Democratic nations are violent without, undemocratic ones are violent within and without.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:38 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:No, I don't. Because that's...factually not who is destroying ISIS right now. Muslim Countries are.


"Muslims countries"? Which "Muslim countries" are you talking about? Which of them is ruling by Shariah Law?

Maybe you mean those zionist puppets who are cooperating with the US-led Coalition against ISIS?

Syria? a Zionist Puppet? Yeah okay. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

And yes. They rule secularly. Which I disagree with personally. But it's preferable to support those which have those following the Sunna and keeping to the Shariah rather than the monstrous revisionist radical perversion of the Law of Allah (SWT) the Wahhabis and your precious ISIS follows.


Islamic Government wrote:Your "logic" just doesn't make sense.

The best thing for Israel is to keep the Ummah divided with borders and puppet dictators. A Khilafah abolishing all the borders and unifying the Ummah from Maghrib to Indonesia would just be the death of Zionism and this is why they fear ISIS so much.

No. I think Disorganized rabbles of savages would keep a region and people divided more than organized Nations.

Although many of those Dictators are Iranian Puppets. Not Zionist ones. A whole different Shaytan.
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Postby Greater Hudian Republic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:39 am

Islamic Government wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
The absurdity of this entire statement boggles the mind. Would you mind demonstrating its endorsing and practicing of sexual slavery, or its act of genocide against minority ethno-religious groups, perhaps a demonstrating the last one may be in your best interests.


Well, it wasn't ISIS who dropped two atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki or who killed almost every indigenous Indian in America to begin with.

BUT it was ISIS who destroyed various artefacts, and as far as I remember they've killed a shitton of Yazidis to begin with.
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:40 am

Itoshiki wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:American Foreign Policy is not actually fighting ISIS. Not in any way effective. They just arm Salafi-Jihadists and expect them to effectively fight ISIS. Which is error and insanity.

Assad, and Certain Militias both Shi'a and Sunni in Iraq are defeating ISIS really without American Aid. I'm far from supportive of them, to be sure. But ISIS being destroyed and "American" Foreign Policy being fought against... with "Salafism" being crushed in general by the regimes in the Middle East is very satisfying. I hope after the Wahhabi Brigands are all destroyed, the Khomeinist Hardliners can go next.

One group of thugs destroyed, another fills the vacuum. Sorry, but that's just how it works. Of course, there's no doubt that the IS is significantly more terrible than the Hezbollah, but they're also less likely to last long anyway, thanks to their radically millennarian message even by Islamist standard. Khamenei now can play his pawns easier than ever after Rafsanjani's death, though maybe it's for the best.

Khameini and the Extremist Shia he supports will be cleansed, as in completely abolished from political and social authority, after the Zionist, Wahhabi and "Islamist" shills. Inshallah.

A Protector of the Ummah is going to emerge in the Middle East. Turkey, Egypt. A reformed Iran. Makes no difference. It's going to happen.
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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:40 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:Assad, and Certain Militias both Shi'a and Sunni in Iraq are defeating ISIS really without American Aid. .


Without American aid? The USA are continously supplying them with weapons.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:41 am

Islamic Government wrote:The so-called "Democratic nations"[...]


They are very much Democratic considering the many elections they have electing representatives.

Islamic Government wrote:[...] are much more murderous than anyone else.


It is hard not to be during a war with Guerrilla forces.

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Postby Itoshiki » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:41 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:Do you think believe the Dawlah al-Islamiyah fi-'l-Iraq wa-'l-Shams does not do any of those things, even when the Dabiq audaciously praised such acts in their articles?

What are you talking about?

Show me a government who didn't kill anyone. The so-called "Democratic nations" are much more murderous than anyone else.

I'm not saying anything about killing. There are, however, plenty governments in the world that do not openly condone taking mâ malakat aymânukum from minority groups, i.e essentially institutionalized rape, though I guess they're also tawaghit backed by the US.

And I haven't even gone to the hudud part. All I ask is: why?
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Itoshiki wrote:You're not really saying much about Yazidi and Christian girls raped by the mujahids, either. I ask you again: do you approve of IS' practice of sex slavery or not?

Yes, I approve.

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Postby Itoshiki » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:42 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:One group of thugs destroyed, another fills the vacuum. Sorry, but that's just how it works. Of course, there's no doubt that the IS is significantly more terrible than the Hezbollah, but they're also less likely to last long anyway, thanks to their radically millennarian message even by Islamist standard. Khamenei now can play his pawns easier than ever after Rafsanjani's death, though maybe it's for the best.

Khameini and the Extremist Shia he supports will be cleansed after the Zionist, Wahhabi and "Islamist" shills. Inshallah.

How?
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Itoshiki wrote:You're not really saying much about Yazidi and Christian girls raped by the mujahids, either. I ask you again: do you approve of IS' practice of sex slavery or not?

Yes, I approve.

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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:42 am

Greater Hudian Republic wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:

Well, it wasn't ISIS who dropped two atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki or who killed almost every indigenous Indian in America to begin with.

BUT it was ISIS who destroyed various artefacts, and as far as I remember they've killed a shitton of Yazidis to begin with.


Yazidis can't live under Islamic law. They are satanist pagans. They must convert to Islam or die or go to another place. The Caliph let them flee.

I don't support freedom or democracy. I support Islamic Law.
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Postby Philjia » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:43 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
Islamic Government wrote:
"Muslims countries"? Which "Muslim countries" are you talking about? Which of them is ruling by Shariah Law?

Maybe you mean those zionist puppets who are cooperating with the US-led Coalition against ISIS?

Syria? a Zionist Puppet? Yeah okay. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

And yes. They rule secularly. Which I disagree with personally.


Wouldn't it be more practical to have secular criminal law and religious civil law?
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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:43 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Assad, and Certain Militias both Shi'a and Sunni in Iraq are defeating ISIS really without American Aid. .


Without American aid? The USA are continously supplying them with weapons.

As I showed before, the US was supplying the resistence to the governments like Syria with weapons. Again, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
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Philjia wrote:
Jochizyd Republic wrote:Syria? a Zionist Puppet? Yeah okay. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

And yes. They rule secularly. Which I disagree with personally.


Wouldn't it be more practical to have secular criminal law and religious civil law?

What? No. Why?
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Postby Philjia » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:46 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Greater Hudian Republic wrote:BUT it was ISIS who destroyed various artefacts, and as far as I remember they've killed a shitton of Yazidis to begin with.


Yazidis can't live under Islamic law. They are satanist pagans.


Actually they're an oddball mix of all three Abrahamic faiths, plus Zoroastrianism.
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:46 am

Islamic Government wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
The absurdity of this entire statement boggles the mind. Would you mind demonstrating its endorsing and practicing of sexual slavery, or its act of genocide against minority ethno-religious groups, perhaps a demonstrating the last one may be in your best interests.


Well, it wasn't ISIS who dropped two atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki or who killed almost every indigenous Indian in America to begin with.


Two atomic bombs that ended a war, a war in which if it had continued would have resulted in more deaths, considering how zealous the Japanese were it would be likely that they would have continued for a long, long time. The majority of the indigenous population within the Americas were actually killed by disease, disease in which the colonialists had no idea they were carrying; the times in which disease was knowingly given to the natives was isolated and rare in comparison.

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Postby Itoshiki » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:49 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Greater Hudian Republic wrote:BUT it was ISIS who destroyed various artefacts, and as far as I remember they've killed a shitton of Yazidis to begin with.


Yazidis can't live under Islamic law. They are satanist pagans. They must convert to Islam or die or go to another place. The Caliph let them flee.

Or they can get raped by the jihadis of the state. That way they can stay!

Do you want to address the part about sex slavery or not?
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Itoshiki wrote:You're not really saying much about Yazidi and Christian girls raped by the mujahids, either. I ask you again: do you approve of IS' practice of sex slavery or not?

Yes, I approve.

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Postby Jochizyd Republic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:53 am

Islamic Government wrote:
Itoshiki wrote:Do you think believe the Dawlah al-Islamiyah fi-'l-Iraq wa-'l-Shams does not do any of those things, even when the Dabiq audaciously praised such acts in their articles?


What are you talking about?

Show me a government who didn't kill anyone. The so-called "Democratic nations" are much more murderous than anyone else.

Not supporting the Foreign Policy of those nations. But ISIS is just as murderous and just as much a force of chaos as that forign policy.
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Postby Islamic Government » Wed Jan 18, 2017 4:53 am

Jochizyd Republic wrote:
And yes. They rule secularly. Which I disagree with personally. But it's preferable to support those which have those following the Sunna and keeping to the Shariah


You first say they are secular and then you say the follow the Sunna and keep to the Shariah. You seem a bit confused.


No. I think Disorganized rabbles of savages would keep a region and people divided more than organized Nations.


"Disorganized rabbles of savages"? These are the same words the Roman Pagans used to describe the Prophet (peace be upon him) and his Companions and army.

Guess what. Those "disorganized rabbles of savages" created a Caliphate who became a world superpower for centuries. We can do it again.
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