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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:03 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:1. No we're not
2. Going by your wording, yes we do, it's called street food
3. Yes we do, they're called body guards or security
4. So do multiple other animals

Also, I'd like to point out that dogs and cats are symbiotic species to humans, so yeah...

Quite being a smart ass and just make your point or something

Resulting to ad homs just shows the weakness of your argument.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:03 pm

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Northern Davincia wrote:I care about women. It's as simple as that, because men would be nothing without them.

Didn't you say you lived in Libya?

Yes I live in Libya I was comparing Greece to Dubayy where I did live from 2011 to 2013

Dubai is only rich because it modernized its economy and embraced western trade.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:04 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Yes I live in Libya I was comparing Greece to Dubayy where I did live from 2011 to 2013

Dubai is only rich because it modernized its economy and embraced western trade.

like Greece and other bankrupt countries
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:04 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Quite being a smart ass and just make your point or something

Resulting to ad homs just shows the weakness of your argument.

I am not weak you are just arrogant and hateful
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:06 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Dubai is only rich because it modernized its economy and embraced western trade.

like Greece and other bankrupt countries

Greece adopted policies which are against the free market, which is why it is poor. Dubai accepted the free market and is richer because of it.
And because of oil.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:06 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:Resulting to ad homs just shows the weakness of your argument.

I am not weak you are just arrogant and hateful

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Quite being a smart ass and just make your point or something

Resulting to ad homs just shows the weakness of your argument.

Come one, you should be capable of making a better point, so just do it.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:07 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:like Greece and other bankrupt countries

Greece adopted policies which are against the free market, which is why it is poor. Dubai accepted the free market and is richer because of it.
And because of oil.

I do not understand what is wrong with trade I do not condemn capitalism if this is the impression you get from me
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:07 pm

On a slightly related not to Dogs, how does everyone think of the Muslims treatment of Zoroastrians and their Dogs after they took over the Sassanid Empire? How do the Muslims who look at this thread think of Zoroastrians?
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:08 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I am not weak you are just arrogant and hateful

New haven america wrote:Resulting to ad homs just shows the weakness of your argument.

Come one, you should be capable of making a better point, so just do it.

I do not even know what ad homs means you are just insulting and unpleasent to speak to
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:08 pm

Escocaria wrote:On a slightly related not to Dogs, how does everyone think of the Muslims treatment of Zoroastrians and their Dogs after they took over the Sassanid Empire? How do the Muslims who look at this thread think of Zoroastrians?

I do not like them
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:09 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Escocaria wrote:On a slightly related not to Dogs, how does everyone think of the Muslims treatment of Zoroastrians and their Dogs after they took over the Sassanid Empire? How do the Muslims who look at this thread think of Zoroastrians?

I do not like them

Why do you not like Zoroastrians? Are they evil? What makes them evil?
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:10 pm

Escocaria wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I do not like them

Why do you not like Zoroastrians? Are they evil? What makes them evil?

They worship evil things and hate Islam and Arabs
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:11 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:
Come one, you should be capable of making a better point, so just do it.

I do not even know what ad homs means you are just insulting and unpleasent to speak to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:11 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Escocaria wrote:Why do you not like Zoroastrians? Are they evil? What makes them evil?

They worship evil things and hate Islam and Arabs

Well, they hate Islam and Arabs because they invaded their ancient homeland and destroyed their temples and abused their sacred animals (Dogs) for sport. Also, what makes Ahura Mazda evil?
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:12 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I do not even know what ad homs means you are just insulting and unpleasent to speak to

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Yes I dislike your character and personally dislike you but how is this relevant to you asking if my mother is the only Libyan women that is a stupid question
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:13 pm

Escocaria wrote:
Shurjah wrote:They worship evil things and hate Islam and Arabs

Well, they hate Islam and Arabs because they invaded their ancient homeland and destroyed their temples and abused their sacred animals (Dogs) for sport. Also, what makes Ahura Mazda evil?

Well they deserved the invasion and their shrines deserved to be destroyed Islam does not condone abusing animals that is an Arab thing but i do not like it Ahura is a devil and falseness not God
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:15 pm

Shurjah wrote:

Yes I dislike your character and personally dislike you but how is this relevant to you asking if my mother is the only Libyan women that is a stupid question

See, you're doing it again.

I just want to know, seeing as how you act like your mother is the only woman in Libya, how does a country like that work? It's a perfectly viable question.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:16 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Yes I dislike your character and personally dislike you but how is this relevant to you asking if my mother is the only Libyan women that is a stupid question

See, you're doing it again.

I just want to know, seeing as how you act like your mother is the only woman in Libya, how does a country like that work? It's a perfectly viable question.

How is this a valid question I have never heard of a nation with just one woman how could you think this
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:17 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Escocaria wrote:Well, they hate Islam and Arabs because they invaded their ancient homeland and destroyed their temples and abused their sacred animals (Dogs) for sport. Also, what makes Ahura Mazda evil?

Well they deserved the invasion and their shrines deserved to be destroyed Islam does not condone abusing animals that is an Arab thing but i do not like it Ahura is a devil and falseness not God

Why do they deserve to be invaded? How is Ahura Mazda an evil devil when he represents Truth? I also doubt your claims that Islam does not condone the abusing of animals considering that Muslims back then were encouraged to abuse the Dogs of Zoroastrians in order to simply distress them. All Muslims did it back then, from the highest ranking noble to the lowest Muslim peasant.

Why destroy such a beautiful religion?
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Postby Aillyria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:17 pm

Escocaria wrote:On a slightly related not to Dogs, how does everyone think of the Muslims treatment of Zoroastrians and their Dogs after they took over the Sassanid Empire? How do the Muslims who look at this thread think of Zoroastrians?

I don't know, I've never met one. But I view their religion the same way I view any non-kitabi faith.
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:18 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Escocaria wrote:On a slightly related not to Dogs, how does everyone think of the Muslims treatment of Zoroastrians and their Dogs after they took over the Sassanid Empire? How do the Muslims who look at this thread think of Zoroastrians?

I don't know, I've never met one. But I view their religion the same way I view any non-kitabi faith.

That being? I'm afraid I don't know your views on non-kitabi nor know what non-kitabi means, unfortunately.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:19 pm

Escocaria wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Well they deserved the invasion and their shrines deserved to be destroyed Islam does not condone abusing animals that is an Arab thing but i do not like it Ahura is a devil and falseness not God

Why do they deserve to be invaded? How is Ahura Mazda an evil devil when he represents Truth? I also doubt your claims that Islam does not condone the abusing of animals considering that Muslims back then were encouraged to abuse the Dogs of Zoroastrians in order to simply distress them. All Muslims did it back then, from the highest ranking noble to the lowest Muslim peasant.

Why destroy such a beautiful religion?

Because Allah is the truth there is nothing beautiful about hellfire and falseness
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:20 pm

Escocaria wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I don't know, I've never met one. But I view their religion the same way I view any non-kitabi faith.

That being? I'm afraid I don't know your views on non-kitabi nor know what non-kitabi means, unfortunately.

kitab means book so maybe they mean non books of Ibrahim people who believe in that
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:22 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Escocaria wrote:Why do they deserve to be invaded? How is Ahura Mazda an evil devil when he represents Truth? I also doubt your claims that Islam does not condone the abusing of animals considering that Muslims back then were encouraged to abuse the Dogs of Zoroastrians in order to simply distress them. All Muslims did it back then, from the highest ranking noble to the lowest Muslim peasant.

Why destroy such a beautiful religion?

Because Allah is the truth there is nothing beautiful about hellfire and falseness

The Zoroastrians saw fire as an agent of ritual purity, alongside water and are also the sole reason that the Abrahamic religions, Islam being the youngest of them, have the concept of Satan. What makes Zoroastrianism false, though?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:22 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Greece adopted policies which are against the free market, which is why it is poor. Dubai accepted the free market and is richer because of it.
And because of oil.

I do not understand what is wrong with trade I do not condemn capitalism if this is the impression you get from me

Then why were you comparing Greece to Dubai?
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