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What Denomination are You?

Sunni
132
28%
Sunni (Sufi)
31
7%
Sunni (Salafi)
26
6%
Ithna'ashari/Twelver Shi'a
30
6%
Other Shi'a
15
3%
Ibadi
13
3%
Ahmadiyya
11
2%
Qur'anist
17
4%
Nondenominational
50
11%
Other
145
31%
 
Total votes : 470

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:37 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Your mother is not the only woman in your country, I am certain.

I do not go around asking girls if they want to vote not at the Masjid not at work or at a cafe this is not even talked about when we talk politics here we do not aspire to be Europeans that worry about peoples feelings we worry about our lives

Alright, so perhaps it's not relevant to Libya. But what about Arab countries that are at peace? No one is asking you to be similar to Europeans, but there is literally no reason to deny women's suffrage.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:38 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I do not go around asking girls if they want to vote not at the Masjid not at work or at a cafe this is not even talked about when we talk politics here we do not aspire to be Europeans that worry about peoples feelings we worry about our lives

Alright, so perhaps it's not relevant to Libya. But what about Arab countries that are at peace? No one is asking you to be similar to Europeans, but there is literally no reason to deny women's suffrage.

They think more with emotions then actual important things and differently then men and if there is peace there it is obviously working and should remain the same those YPG morons like this feminist bullshit stuff and they are at war and failures in life
Last edited by Shurjah on Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:39 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:But have you actually asked women if they want the right to vote though?

Libya's currently going through a civil war and has multiple human rights violations behind its name, so yeah...

I do not randomly ask women if they want to vote but women I have heard talking usually talk about television or something my mother herself said she does not understand why women demand to vote so much

What does the fighting here have anything to do with women voting

I wasn't aware your mom was the only woman in Libya. Pease tell me a country with such a weird population like that would work?

I was more talking about your claim about how you can handle yourselves better than European countries. You do know Libya is one of the more unstabel problem children on a continent full of instability, right? Compare that to Europe which currently in most areas has very little to no problem when it comes to politics.
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:39 pm

Y'all motherfuckers need Nestorianism.

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I do not go around asking girls if they want to vote not at the Masjid not at work or at a cafe this is not even talked about when we talk politics here we do not aspire to be Europeans that worry about peoples feelings we worry about our lives

Alright, so perhaps it's not relevant to Libya. But what about Arab countries that are at peace? No one is asking you to be similar to Europeans, but there is literally no reason to deny women's suffrage.

Considering that in Islam a woman's opinion is worth half of that of a mans, would a woman's vote be half the worth of a mans?
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:40 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:I do not randomly ask women if they want to vote but women I have heard talking usually talk about television or something my mother herself said she does not understand why women demand to vote so much

What does the fighting here have anything to do with women voting

I wasn't aware your mom was the only woman in Libya. Pease tell me a country with such a weird population like that would work?

I was more talking about your claim about how you can handle yourselves better than European countries. You do know Libya is one of the more unstabel problem children on a continent full of instability, right? Compare that to Europe which currently in most areas has very little to no problem when it comes to politics.

Europe is trash all those countries have stability solely because they back eachother and no one challenges them
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:41 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Alright, so perhaps it's not relevant to Libya. But what about Arab countries that are at peace? No one is asking you to be similar to Europeans, but there is literally no reason to deny women's suffrage.

They think more with emotions then actual important things

TBH, so do most males in Arab countries (They're probably even worse overall), so I fail to see how that is a good reason.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:41 pm

Escocaria wrote:Y'all motherfuckers need Nestorianism.

Northern Davincia wrote:Alright, so perhaps it's not relevant to Libya. But what about Arab countries that are at peace? No one is asking you to be similar to Europeans, but there is literally no reason to deny women's suffrage.

Considering that in Islam a woman's opinion is worth half of that of a mans, would a woman's vote be half the worth of a mans?

Do not tell me what I need and dont
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:41 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Alright, so perhaps it's not relevant to Libya. But what about Arab countries that are at peace? No one is asking you to be similar to Europeans, but there is literally no reason to deny women's suffrage.

They think more with emotions then actual important things and differently then men and if there is peace there it is obviously working and should remain the same those YPG morons like this feminist bullshit stuff and they are at war and failures in life

Is not compassion important to running a nation? Is not kindness necessary for the betterment of the people? Women specialize in those areas, and both are crucial to Islam, or so I'm told.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:41 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:They think more with emotions then actual important things

TBH, so do most males in Arab countries (They're probably even worse overall), so I fail to see how that is a good reason.

You do not need to you are not our God boss or ruler and we would never give you or any one like alligeance
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:42 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Escocaria wrote:Y'all motherfuckers need Nestorianism.


Considering that in Islam a woman's opinion is worth half of that of a mans, would a woman's vote be half the worth of a mans?

Do not tell me what I need and dont

You need to learn some manners.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:42 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:They think more with emotions then actual important things and differently then men and if there is peace there it is obviously working and should remain the same those YPG morons like this feminist bullshit stuff and they are at war and failures in life

Is not compassion important to running a nation? Is not kindness necessary for the betterment of the people? Women specialize in those areas, and both are crucial to Islam, or so I'm told.

This is not about Islam this is about foreigners who live lives that every Arab would look at as immoral and low telling us that we should emulate it in the name of 'civilization'
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سواسته صكه خفيفه ما حقينا إلا الي كيفه

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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:43 pm

Escocaria wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Do not tell me what I need and dont

You need to learn some manners.

I have more respect for the man with the PKC then the man with a voice
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:43 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:I wasn't aware your mom was the only woman in Libya. Pease tell me a country with such a weird population like that would work?

I was more talking about your claim about how you can handle yourselves better than European countries. You do know Libya is one of the more unstabel problem children on a continent full of instability, right? Compare that to Europe which currently in most areas has very little to no problem when it comes to politics.

Europe is trash all those countries have stability solely because they back eachother and no one challenges them

Don't avoid my question, how does a country with only one female in it's population work!?

And no one's challenging Libya, you guys are destroying yourselves.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:44 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:TBH, so do most males in Arab countries (They're probably even worse overall), so I fail to see how that is a good reason.

You do not need to you are not our God boss or ruler and we would never give you or any one like alligeance

Thank you proving my above stated point.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:44 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Is not compassion important to running a nation? Is not kindness necessary for the betterment of the people? Women specialize in those areas, and both are crucial to Islam, or so I'm told.

This is not about Islam this is about foreigners who live lives that every Arab would look at as immoral and low telling us that we should emulate it in the name of 'civilization'

Is compassion and kindness immoral?
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Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:44 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Europe is trash all those countries have stability solely because they back eachother and no one challenges them

Don't avoid my question, how does a country with only one female in it's population work!?

And no one's challenging Libya, you guys are destroying yourselves.

Well, to be fair, we did help them start the process of destroying themselves.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:45 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:Europe is trash all those countries have stability solely because they back eachother and no one challenges them

Don't avoid my question, how does a country with only one female in it's population work!?

And no one's challenging Libya, you guys are destroying yourselves.

You are mocking me

We are not destroying ourselves Italy is because they want vengeance because of Omar Mukhtar so they bring all of Europe with them who brings in America and Russia and the UN that choses to 'recognize' some asshole that is starting problems because he wants power
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:46 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Shurjah wrote:This is not about Islam this is about foreigners who live lives that every Arab would look at as immoral and low telling us that we should emulate it in the name of 'civilization'

Is compassion and kindness immoral?

No fornicating and cross dressing and drinking is though
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:47 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Is compassion and kindness immoral?

No fornicating and cross dressing and drinking is though

Having sex is immoral? Oh, okay, let's start distributing Chastity cages and belts and throw away the keys.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:47 pm

Shurjah wrote:
New haven america wrote:Don't avoid my question, how does a country with only one female in it's population work!?

And no one's challenging Libya, you guys are destroying yourselves.

You are mocking me

We are not destroying ourselves Italy is because they want vengeance because of Omar Mukhtar so they bring all of Europe with them who brings in America and Russia and the UN that choses to 'recognize' some asshole that is starting problems because he wants power

No, I am asking for an answer.

I'll just leave this here.
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:48 pm

Escocaria wrote:
Shurjah wrote:No fornicating and cross dressing and drinking is though

Having sex is immoral? Oh, okay, let's start distributing Chastity cages and belts and throw away the keys.

No sex is great when you are married and loyal to your wife/husband
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Postby Shurjah » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:48 pm

New haven america wrote:
Shurjah wrote:You are mocking me

We are not destroying ourselves Italy is because they want vengeance because of Omar Mukhtar so they bring all of Europe with them who brings in America and Russia and the UN that choses to 'recognize' some asshole that is starting problems because he wants power

No, I am asking for an answer.

I'll just leave this here.

So Amercia comes from no where telling us how to live no we do not shed our own blood we forged nations and people
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:49 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Is compassion and kindness immoral?

No fornicating and cross dressing and drinking is though

So if women are more compassionate and kind, neither of which are immoral, why stop them from voting?
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Postby Escocaria » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:49 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Escocaria wrote:Having sex is immoral? Oh, okay, let's start distributing Chastity cages and belts and throw away the keys.

No sex is great when you are married and loyal to your wife/husband

But you just said it's immoral.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:49 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Is not compassion important to running a nation? Is not kindness necessary for the betterment of the people? Women specialize in those areas, and both are crucial to Islam, or so I'm told.

This is not about Islam this is about foreigners who live lives that every Arab would look at as immoral and low telling us that we should emulate it in the name of 'civilization'

And yet they're much better off than you are in every possible way...
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